Chewie's spiritual showdown! Faith vs. Science

[Setesh]

I know about the problems with Atkins. I ran this thing past my mother, who's a nurse practitioner, and she said since I'm only doing this for a week or two it would be ok as long as I didn't keep up with it. And yes, I got my wisdom teeth out about 7 years ago.

Have your doctors looked into upper wisdom tooth channels as a cause? Sometimes when the upper wisdom teeth are removed it can link areas that aren't supposed to be, in my case I now have sinus infection problems I didn't before.

It seems silly but none of my doctors ever thought to check this until I saw a dentist recently.

[Talanth]

Mind if I ask which bit of you she's masaging? I meen is she doing a head masage to relax the muscles around your ears or is she attacking your feet like traditional chines doctors recomend? (Just a thought.)

[Superman]

By the way Chewie, you doing okay with those painkillers? Narcotic opiate pain killers can have a nasty withdrawal syndrome when usage is ceased.

You know, they're not supposed to. If you suffer from withdrawal symptoms because of painkillers, then your doctor is obviously incompetent because he's prescribing the wrong dosage and advice.

Most medical research now show that the myth of painkiller addicts is a myth, and that prescribing more painkillers to alleviate pain does not create physical addiction. In particular, it may even shift patients off the "sick" role they may choose to play if they're in pain.

Oh really? That's interesting since I work in a medical chemical dependency detox facility, and we get them every damn day. Our average opioid addics are taking, for example, 40 - 70 pills per day. The withdrawal syndrome is the same as heroine, which is also an opioid. Try doing a little research.

American Society of Addiction Medicine's Detox Protocols

[CaptainChewbacca]

I'm not taking opiate painkillers, I'm taking lots of Ibuprofen but trying to limit myself to a low dosage and just manage the pain. Setesh, as per your question I had my wisdom teeth out almost a decade ago and are pretty well healed. Even still, since the pain started I've been to a dentist who told me there was nothing wrong with the channels.

[Coyote]

The "faith" part of this "faith healing" is just the wrapper that it comes in. If a diet-excersise-massage treatments works, it will work regardless of whether it comes with prayers attache dor not. The prayers are to make her or you feel better.

The NASA engineers may have prayed when the last Space Shuttle lifted off, but I'm pretty sure that most of the good fortunes came from proper fuel mixtures, careful foam application, and other, similar hands-on work.

[CaptainChewbacca]

This is insane. I've been on this diet for EIGHT DAYS and I've lost over FIFTEEN POUNDS! Ear still hurts, though.

[Tasoth]

If I remember correctly, 4 pounds a month is the healthy limit for weight loss. It may also be water weight too.

[Lord Zentei]

This is insane. I've been on this diet for EIGHT DAYS and I've lost over FIFTEEN POUNDS! Ear still hurts, though.

What kind of fucking diet are you on? Water only?

[mr friendly guy]

I'm not taking opiate painkillers, I'm taking lots of Ibuprofen but trying to limit myself to a low dosage and just manage the pain. Setesh, as per your question I had my wisdom teeth out almost a decade ago and are pretty well healed. Even still, since the pain started I've been to a dentist who told me there was nothing wrong with the channels.

Just for interest, have you tried any paracetamol (I think you guys call it acetimenophen ? sp in the States) plus codeine combination type meds, since it seems you are mostly on an NSAID (non steroidal anti-inflammatory drug).

This is insane. I've been on this diet for EIGHT DAYS and I've lost over FIFTEEN POUNDS! Ear still hurts, though. .

This sounds very strange to lose weight that fast. I suspect most of the weight loss is in the form of fluid, rather than fat.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Yeah, I'm taking acetominaphin pills. As for the weight loss, I've actually been drinking MORE fluids lately since that's about all I can have aside from meat and vegetables. Water & Diet Soda like crazy.

[Superman]

Yeah, I'm taking acetominaphin pills. As for the weight loss, I've actually been drinking MORE fluids lately since that's about all I can have aside from meat and vegetables. Water & Diet Soda like crazy.

Atkins diet does work. When I was training during my wrestling days, I lived by sort of a modified Atkins. The problem is that people cannot generally stick to it. I had to have a cheating day, and boy did I look forward to that. It works, it's just really not something you can live by forever.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Atkins diet does work. When I was training during my wrestling days, I lived by sort of a modified Atkins. The problem is that people cannot generally stick to it. I had to have a cheating day, and boy did I look forward to that. It works, it's just really not something you can live by forever.

It works in the same way as not eating allows you to lose weight fast too. Both diets are equally unsustainable, and that is the crux of the problem. You die if you live off pure Atkins or pure nothing. It's simple as and all these fad diets need to be wiped out before more people are made ill by them.

Besides, as a wrestler, you're probably really well adapted to taking in protein and converting it to muscle mass quickly. Most people will just see their kidneys keel over and die.

[PainRack]

Oh really? That's interesting since I work in a medical chemical dependency detox facility, and we get them every damn day. Our average opioid addics are taking, for example, 40 - 70 pills per day. The withdrawal syndrome is the same as heroine, which is also an opioid. Try doing a little research.

American Society of Addiction Medicine's Detox Protocols

Your site lists the goal as

Detoxification can be said to have three immediate goals: (1) to provide a safe withdrawal from alcohol or other drug(s) of dependence and enable the patient to become free of non-prescribed medications;

IOW, self administered and probably addicts trying to get a high.

Wonderful.

Unless Chewie is a closet heroin junkie, I don't think he falls under this category. Failing that, I take Lemone surgical-medical textbook which cites research showing that the myth of opiate painkillers resulting in opiate addiction is a myth.

[Aaron]

IOW, self administered and probably addicts trying to get a high.

Wonderful.

Unless Chewie is a closet heroin junkie, I don't think he falls under this category. Failing that, I take Lemone surgical-medical textbook which cites research showing that the myth of opiate painkillers resulting in opiate addiction is a myth.

Then why did I wind up as a opiate addict when prescribed Percosate and Oxycontin for pain?

[OmegaGuy]

Well I don't really care about the philosophical or theological considerations, I just hope you get better. That's also how I would think about myself in such a situation.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Thanks, Omega. As an update, I'm 10 days into this diet and I've lost a bit over 20 lbs. I'm a little worried, as I'm too poor to buy new pants.

[drachefly]

Have you tried looking into the fascinating world of belts?

In any case, don't throw anything away. Most of this will come right back.

[Superman]

Oh really? That's interesting since I work in a medical chemical dependency detox facility, and we get them every damn day. Our average opioid addics are taking, for example, 40 - 70 pills per day. The withdrawal syndrome is the same as heroine, which is also an opioid. Try doing a little research.

American Society of Addiction Medicine's Detox Protocols

Your site lists the goal as

Detoxification can be said to have three immediate goals: (1) to provide a safe withdrawal from alcohol or other drug(s) of dependence and enable the patient to become free of non-prescribed medications;

IOW, self administered and probably addicts trying to get a high.

Wonderful.

Unless Chewie is a closet heroin junkie, I don't think he falls under this category. Failing that, I take Lemone surgical-medical textbook which cites research showing that the myth of opiate painkillers resulting in opiate addiction is a myth.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth, moron. I just was just being friendly and said that the withdrawal can be nasty. Did I call him an addict? You in denial because you're on them or something?

You're spouting nonsense. Chemically, you have an opioid derivative, which produces to be one of, if not THE worst, form of addiction. These analogues are only a few molecules from heroine. They're not addicting? The compound from the Poppy binds to the Mu receptors of the central nervous system and has a profound effect on emotional regulation. For an addict, it sets a biology in motion that literally creates a drive to seek out the drug that can't be stopped without treatment, or crossing over into some other substance.

Again, our opoid addicts are typically taking things like Percocet, Vicoden, Codeine, in amounts of at least 50 pills per day. The withdrawal is characterized by gastrointesninal problems, depression, sweating, tachycardia, depression, etc., and people generally don't quit with treatment.

It's funny, you read a surgery manual, and I work in a hospital with addicts and alcholics, and you're telling me this doesn't exist? I'll be sure and tell the patients that what they are feeling isn't real. I'll be sure and tell everyone who takes methadone to go ahead and stop as well, since none of this exists.

Give me some more info on the source you have please. Just the one?

According to the medical model of addiction, it would be fair (if he doesn't mind) to ask Cprl Kendal about an a) family history of addiction, and b) any other chemical addictions he's battled. It's more probable than not that these are present. I am going to predict the future here and say that these are present.

Here are some you might want to read. The authors are either addiction medicine specialists or have extensive experience working with addicts and alcoholics. They're not a surgery manual. For Christ's sake, the labels of these drugs say that there may be a potential for addiction.

"When Pain Killers Become Dangerous." Drew Pinsky, Marvin Seppala, Robert Meyers. Hazeldon Books.

But there's no potential for addiction!

Origin of self: the neurobiology of emotional development. Mahwah. Erlbaum Associates. - Great study that presents evidence that opioid addicts have abnormalities in the cingulate portion of the brain, and that the opioids 'regulate' emotions.

But surgeons know more than addiction psychiatrists about addiction!

Again, psychiatrists know nothing! The surgeons are the experts on addiction!

Rapid opioid detox

Check out the journal of opioid management

But it's fake!

Do you want more?

I'll be happy to read your source. Please give it.

[Superman]

It's not real!

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So then, what would it take for you anknowledge this? Seriously.

[Superman]

don't quit with treatment.

Quit WITHOUT treatment, that is.