Lucrehulks Vs Executor Star Dreadnought

darthkommandant · Post by **darthkommandant** » 2006-08-25 04:27pm

This question has bugged me for a while. How many Lucrehulks are needed to take down an Executor Star Dreadnought?

The battle takes place in a barren star system with no asteroid feilds or nebulas to interfere in the fight. There is also no rebel presence or escorts for the Executor. All ships can be assumed to be have a full compliment of fighters and supplies.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2006-08-26 05:49am

Are we talking TPM-Lucrehulks or ROTS-Lucrehulks?

darthkommandant · Post by **darthkommandant** » 2006-08-26 12:35pm

ROTS Lucrehulks. I should have specified that.

Counciler · Post by **Counciler** » 2006-08-27 01:11am

Whats the difference between them? Other than fighter/troop compliments. Any hardpoint changes between them?

Oh, and I'm guessing (GUESSING) that due to the sheer size of the Executor... about 50 Luc's? Maybe not... 20-30 might do it..

Who is in command of these ships? Anybody special? Jedi/Sith forces? Knowledge of each others tactics/weaknesses? (Like would the TIE fighters know to fly inside the hangar and do what Anakin did with a few well placed missles.)

Lazarus · Post by **Lazarus** » 2006-08-27 03:42am

There's a diagram around somewhere that shows the weapons complement of a Lucrehulk battleship, but I can't find it now. Here's the wookieepedia article:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lucrehul ... battleship

Given their enhanced weapons complement and considerable droid complement I'd say around 6 Lucrehulks could take an Executor, however I haven't read Outbound Flight, which I believe they feature in, so that may shed more light on the subject.

Archon · Post by **Archon** » 2006-08-27 03:57am

Lucrehulk-BB diagram ahoy.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2006-08-27 05:38am

According to the ROTS ICS, a flotilla (I think WEG defines this as about a dozen ships) of Venators is capable of "easily" blasting through the shields of a Trade Fed Battleship. Saxton estimates that the Executor generates over 361 times the power of a Venator.

Lazarus · Post by **Lazarus** » 2006-08-27 08:02am

Hmm. Yea, screw 6, more like 40.

The thing is that because the Executor-class would be only one vessel, it could be outmaneuvered by the Lucrehulks, which could target vulnerable areas such as the bridge, the hangar bay, engines etc. The SSD could blast them out of the sky one by one, but sheer force of numbers would overwhelm its shields eventually.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2006-08-27 08:39am

With or without Fighter Complements?

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2006-08-27 08:39am

20-25 Lucrehulks, all things (like skill of the crews and commanding officers) for all ships being the same. This is based on the number of weapons and volume of the Lucrehulk in comparison to the ISD (1 Executor = 25 Lucrehuls = 125 ISDs).

Of course we don't know how many fighters the CIS-Lucrehulk can carry (it HAS to carry less than 1,500 with a switch from 42 quadlasers to 56 heavy cannons, 880 Quadlasers and 560 long cannons).

Glimmervoid · Post by **Glimmervoid** » 2006-08-27 09:06am

Jim Raynor wrote:According to the ROTS ICS, a flotilla (I think WEG defines this as about a dozen ships) of Venators is capable of "easily" blasting through the shields of a Trade Fed Battleship. Saxton estimates that the Executor generates over 361 times the power of a Venator.

Simple algebra would tell us the following however it dose not include information like, how well the weapons are placed on each etc so I would take it with a lot of salt. And it also works on if X beats Y and Y beats Z then X can beat Z which dose not always work (the simplest example of it not work I can think of is Rock paper scissors) but given that we are talking about situation mainly concerned with reactor out put and shield strength it is going to give a safer answer than it dose normally.

12V > 1 T
V> 1/12 T
1E=361V
1/361 E > 1/12 T
E > 361/12 T
E > 30.1 T

That comes out at, at an Executor-class Star Dreadnought being able to take out more than 30.1 Lucrehulk-class battleships. So I would say the 40 mark would be about right.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-08-27 11:18am

Well let's see, four to six Recusant Destroyers are more or less equal to one Venator/Victory, but it takes 1000 Recusant's to take on a Mandator Dreadnaught.

So it would take 167 Stardestroyers to take on a Mandator Stardreadnaught. If it takes twelve Venators to take a TF battleship, then 14 Lucehulks starts getting into the territory of what's needed for a Mandator.

Granted, that's a Mandator and not an Executor, so 14 would be the extreme lower limit. I have no idea how much more powerful an Executor is over the Mandator.

You also have to deal with demenishing returns when it comes to multiple weaker ships versus one large powerful ship and due to that you wouldn't want the bare mininum of ships required for such a feat. To be conservative, say an additional 25%.

So if an Executor is twice as powerful as a Mandator, I'd say 30-40 is looking right. I just don't know how to jump the gap from PT to OT.

darthkommandant · Post by **darthkommandant** » 2006-08-27 11:19am

All ships have full fighter complements and the commanders are not anyone special.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2006-08-27 12:48pm

Knife wrote:So it would take 167 Stardestroyers to take on a Mandator Stardreadnaught. If it takes twelve Venators to take a TF battleship, then 14 Lucehulks starts getting into the territory of what's needed for a Mandator.

Does this take into consideration that Venators would be much closer to a Carrier designation than most other Star Destroyers?

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2006-08-27 01:10pm

Judging from the way the guns of the ship is mounted, the Lucrehulks have to park themselves beneath the Executor or above it deliver its firepower.

It then makes me wonder about the distribution of the Executor's cannons given that we have never been able to see them.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2006-08-27 01:57pm

darthkommandant wrote:All ships have full fighter complements and the commanders are not anyone special.

Problem is, we don't know how many fighters a CIS-Lucrehulk carries and how many of those are Vultures and how many Tri-droids.

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2006-08-27 02:04pm

If it takes twelve Venators to take a TF battleship

Where does this come from? Unless you take "flotilla" to mean "a dozen"?

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2006-08-27 04:24pm

The Original Nex wrote:
If it takes twelve Venators to take a TF battleship
Where does this come from? Unless you take "flotilla" to mean "a dozen"?

To be honest I don't know where it comes from. However, others have defined flotilla to be about a dozen ships in numerous threads at TFN, citing WEG as their source. I would also like to see where it exactly comes from.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-08-27 05:10pm

General Schatten wrote: Does this take into consideration that Venators would be much closer to a Carrier designation than most other Star Destroyers?

Well, I based it off of the Recusants/Venators and Victories and Recusants/Mandalor statment in the ICS. That same statment gives a range of 4-6 Recusants to match one Ven/Vic. That statment might show either the power difference between the two ships (alluding to your question about carrier/dedicated warship) or just be built in range becasue of other factors to consider.

Nex wrote:Where does this come from? Unless you take "flotilla" to mean "a dozen"?

Off of a post above mine. I wasn't going for a hard number, rather a ballpark figure based off of the RotS ICS. If there is a cannon statment showing how many SD's it takes to take on a TF battleship, I'll plug that one in too.