What would happen, politically, if the Imps invaded the Feds

[Straha]

Here's the question. We know that the Empire could bowl over almost the entire ST Galaxy if they wanted to. But suppose that the Empire for whatever reason (ties elsewhere, a commanders bravado, initial wariness, etc.) was limited in its deployment to the ST Galaxy. If a Wormhole were to open between the two (say somewhere in the Empire, and over Betazed) galaxies and the empire were to strike at a few Federation planets over the course of two weeks, how would the rest of the ST Galaxy react politically?

[Wyrm]

If the Empire lets slip even a taste of how fast and how thoroughly they can carry this out, any ST power would either pee their pants or go into aggressive and self-destructive denial, politically speaking.

Consider the damage even a small force of a few IDSes can wield against those targets, and the speed they can do so. If that force is even halfway serious about how it goes about doing this, it wouldn't take too long for the ST powers to figure out how much carnage these puppies can wield against usually durable bodies like planets.

Unless, of course, the Empire deliberately hides its identity and the scale of its power well, in which case the ST powers would react like it would if the Federation was struck by an unknown yet obviously powerful foe.

[Counciler]

I agree... it would seem to me that if the GE only sent in one ISD to make first contact. Then the other powers, wary about the extreme power ONE ship caused to an entire planet, would most likely be rethinking thier alliances.

For example... Darth Wong's fanfic Conquest shows wuite clearly how the major powers would respond. The Federation is too content in thier utopian idealistic society to be able to handle the GE politically. They would collapse. Its human nature, that when an old and stagnant political entity faces a new, overwhelmingly powerful foe, the infrastructure collapses. Like Ancient [late] Rome vs. Barbarian invasions.

The Klingons are a hard bunch to finger. Im not sure what would happen to them.

The Romulans.... yeah... Darth Wong got it right.

It seems to me that once the real carnage starts... many fragile peace treaties will be shattered, just out of fear. how long will the Neutral Zone stay neutral when the GE starts tearing up the AQ? Not long.

Thats my two uneducated guesses on the matter.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Where can I find said Fanfic? If such a wormhole was to open, any ships nearby would be annihilated by an ISD, it'd be Wolf 359 all over again. My guess, the Federation would try to close the wormhole ASAP, like they tried to do to the Bajoran wormhole but were stopped by sabotage. Self-replicating mines would be useless not only because they'd need to be a much higher yield but that they violate conservation of energy (unless they somehow get power elsewhere that isn't mentioned)

As for the other ST races, Starfleet's enemies would probably celight in seeing the Federation being assraped and adopt the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' and try to befriend the Imperials and may even try to stop the closure of the wormhole (if they were fanatical enough) by covert action. If they prevent the closure of the wormhole, and the Imperials station a few ISDs around it preventing ST ships getting near it again, they're pretty much screwed. The Federation's allies, seeing the new threat would do all they could to help, realising that if the Federation falls, the other major powers will follow shortly after.

The Federation's enemies, realising their mistake would try to help but it's too little, too late. If there are only a few ISDs (enough to destroy everything in the vicinity but not to conquer every planet since they'd need to defend their new conquests from attack) with no reinforcements coming, they'd probably shoot up everything, get bored from the pitiful resistance then go home after a while, leaving half the Alpha Quadrant a smoking ruin.

If while in the ST galaxy, the Feds do succeed in somehow taking down the wormhole with a few ISDs still there (for arguments sake assume they managed to do so without the Imps trying to stop them), leaving them cut off from reinforcements, that'd be a different scenario altogether.

[Batman]

Where can I find said Fanfic?

Try that big ISD icon in the upper left corner of your browser window (i.e. the main page).

[FedRebel]

If a Wormhole were to open between the two (say somewhere in the Empire, and over Betazed) galaxies and the empire were to strike at a few Federation planets over the course of two weeks, how would the rest of the ST Galaxy react politically?

Federation: The UFP wil try to sue for peace, however they will also try to bring their industry to wartime production ASAP in order to fight this new threat.

Klingons: Assuming this is happening in 2385, their fleet has just been re built and Martok pledges his support in fighting this new fow in glorious battle.

Romulans: They will remain nuetral for the time being, til this enemy can be properly studied.

Cardassians: They are in full support of the Feds, a powerful conquering foriegn alien race is something they don't want to face again.

Ferengi: They see this new power as a potential trading power and atempt to establish commerce.


In the end the Feds will fight til the wreckage of their fleet forms a ring around Earth, praying that someone from their future will save them.

The Klingons would ofcourse do the very same, til Quo'Nos is BDZed and their spirit is broken.

Again the Cardies would fight to the death, after the horrors of the Dominion they don't want it to happen again.

The Romulans however will negociate a truce with the Empire, they're of no threat to the Empire's power and given the Empire's limited obligations in the Milky Way, they don't want to over stretch their lines.

THe Ferengi would gain recognition as a valid treading organization operating under the Imperial rule, Ferengi operations would be limited to the MW ofcourse.

That essentially covers the AQ, but two powers remain...

The Dominion: Once they here of this new race, they'll view it as the solid threat they've been dreading and will thow everything they have at it.

The Borg: When they learn of the new race (assuming some part of the collective was using something other than Windows Firewall) will try to assimilate Imperial assets.

In the end the Dominion will lose their Jem'Hadar fleets, the founder homeworld will be BDZed, and with the insueing mass suicide it's all over.

The Borg will be in the same boat that they were with 8472, except instead of six months it'll be six weeks.

[Darth Wong]

Nobody ever realistically fights to the death as an entire civilization or species. Historically, when a civilization has been wiped out, it's generally been due to the fact that their killers would not accept a surrender.

[OmegaGuy]

Just a remark: Why is everyone only mentioning ISDs? It's not like they're the only type of ship the Empire has.

[SirNitram]

Just a remark: Why is everyone only mentioning ISDs? It's not like they're the only type of ship the Empire has.

Because they're extremely numerous, easily recignized, and both have the capability to defeat any realistic defense fleet assembled in time, and then incinerate the planet if deemed a sensible move.

[OmegaGuy]

But it's not like if the Empire actually invaded, they would only use ISDs.

[Batman]

But it's not like if the Empire actually invaded, they would only use ISDs.

Nom but they almost inevitably WILL use ISDs, the capabilities of which are well known and thus make a good benchmark for what the Empire can do to the AQ powers.
Are you suggesting the Imps would invade using nothing bigger than Carracks?

[NecronLord]

Are you suggesting the Imps would invade using nothing bigger than Carracks?

If I were the Admiral charged with such operations, I'd request small and outdated craft, like Carracks, Dreadnoughts, Venators (Especially, see blastboats, below) and Acclamators. They're potent enough, limit the need for supplies, and allow me to project more effectively than I could with a lesser number of larger destroyer (or worse, cruiser) class vessels. Skipray blastboats would be the 'fighter' of choice, as well, thanks to being hyperspace capable, thus extending my reach further, and packing a significant punch in ST terms.

[Lonestar]

Nobody ever realistically fights to the death as an entire civilization or species. Historically, when a civilization has been wiped out, it's generally been due to the fact that their killers would not accept a surrender.

I bet they could fight a war to the point where 2/3s of the (male)population is lost, though. It's happened before, and within the past 150 years or so.

[NecronLord]

I bet they could fight a war to the point where 2/3s of the (male)population is lost, though. It's happened before, and within the past 150 years or so.

A war against a Star Destroyer would reach a point of 'surrender or suffer genocide' long before they could get that many people under arms, though.