What can kill an ISD

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-22 05:06am

A Precursor (I think that was it.. or was it Predecessor?) ship from 'Forge of the Elders' could do it.. invulnerable hull and it's engines alone are carrying enough power in them to wipe out a solar system if released improperly.

An Evoluder Detonator or Battle Planet could both do the job as well.

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2002-12-22 05:24am

[quote="The Nomad]
I was thinking to something into those lines :
"You're a 1 million tons warship, a Psychopath-class Rapid Offensive Unit. If suddenly you wanted to...
_But I'm demilitarized !
_... you could surely blast planets into oblivion without your main weaponry.
_As any stupid GCU !"
[/quote]

My mistake, the Xenophobe is a Torturer-class ROU, not Psychopath-class

!

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-12-22 06:42am

The Nomad wrote: My mistake, the Xenophobe is a Torturer-class ROU, not Psychopath-class !

Just a question - which class of ROU has the heaviest armament, the Torturer or the Psychopath??

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-12-22 06:58am

Simon H.Johansen wrote: Then again, if the most numerous ships are smaller than ISDs, wouldn't they be quite easy fodder for Imperium ships??

They're escorts, not capship killers.

However, Dark Empire showed several Galactic Empire battlecruisers in orbit 'round Byss which appeared to be the same size as Imperium of Mankind capital ships (3-6 km) - if ISDs are the equals of Lunar-class cruisers despite being much, much smaller and these behemoths are pitted against the Imperium, then the Imperium would probably not stand much of a chance if not for their strength in numbers.

And that's before we bring in the 10-20km long battleships such as Admiral Giel's flagship and Darth Vader's Executor....

Retribution might take the Giel or the Executor. Maybe not.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-12-22 07:43am

Cpt_Frank wrote:Retribution might take the Giel or the Executor. Maybe not.

What?? A Retribution-class is around 6km long If I recall correctly, while Giel's ship was 10-12 km long. (and the Executor was 18km long)

If the Imperium's 3km long Lunar-class Cruiser is inferior to the Galactic Empire's much smaller ISD, then how should the 6km long Retribution-class have any hope of taking on a 10km super-warship???

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-12-22 07:50am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:Retribution might take the Giel or the Executor. Maybe not.
What?? A Retribution-class is around 6km long If I recall correctly, while Giel's ship was 10-12 km long. (and the Executor was 18km long)

If the Imperium's 3km long Lunar-class Cruiser is inferior to the Galactic Empire's much smaller ISD, then how should the 6km long Retribution-class have any hope of taking on a 10km super-warship???

The Retribution is only 6km? Damn I thought it was bigger.

I wonder how the Imperiums' attack craft would fare. They're much bigger than SW ones, with the fighters being 3 or 4 men craft.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-12-22 10:10am

A blackstone fortress

Possibly a necron escort, as they are able to (in fluff) take on IoM capships and win.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-12-22 10:48am

NecronLord wrote:A blackstone fortress

Possibly a necron escort, as they are able to (in fluff) take on IoM capships and win.

Last time I checked the strongest necron escort was worth 50 points and a match for a dauntless at most.
(Unless you count the shroud as escort, but it's a light cruiser actually.)

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-12-22 10:52am

Cpt_Frank wrote:
NecronLord wrote:A blackstone fortress

Possibly a necron escort, as they are able to (in fluff) take on IoM capships and win.
Last time I checked the strongest necron escort was worth 50 points and a match for a dauntless at most.
(Unless you count the shroud as escort, but it's a light cruiser actually.)

Fluff > Game balanced Thrice powered down BFG rules.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-12-22 10:54am

NecronLord wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:
NecronLord wrote:A blackstone fortress

Possibly a necron escort, as they are able to (in fluff) take on IoM capships and win.
Last time I checked the strongest necron escort was worth 50 points and a match for a dauntless at most.
(Unless you count the shroud as escort, but it's a light cruiser actually.)

Fluff > Game balanced Thrice powered down BFG rules.

I see. damn those fans of the über-powerful races.... the Imperium will get you heretics! All of you!

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-12-22 10:56am

Cpt_Frank wrote:
NecronLord wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote: Last time I checked the strongest necron escort was worth 50 points and a match for a dauntless at most.
(Unless you count the shroud as escort, but it's a light cruiser actually.)

Fluff > Game balanced Thrice powered down BFG rules.
I see. damn those fans of the über-powerful races.... the Imperium will get you heretics! All of you!

Go worship your corpse!

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-12-22 10:58am

Go worship your corpse!

We prefer the term 'temporarily handicaped deity'.

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » 2002-12-22 12:40pm

Wait a minute... 610 GT torps right? And someone said it took several of those to kill a cruiser right? I assume several means 3-6 or so right?

Well as much as I hate to get into a WH40K debate at all... an ISD MKII's broadside... assuming the conservative number of 200 GT per barrel and thayt they only fire the heavy guns... is 6400 GT (12800 if the ISD manages to line the ship up for a proper frontal barrage). That's more firepower than ten torpedoes... which is according to what you said more than twice what it take to kill a WH40K cruiser.

And an ISD can survive that multiple times over...

So unless I'm missing something...

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-12-22 01:30pm

Yes you are the fact that each volley is said to consist of hundeds of torps.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-12-22 01:47pm

Abbadons Worldkiller,,Eldar Void Stalker ,,Ork Space Ulk,, and Most Heavy Cruisers from 40k ,yes the Imperial and Chaos Battleships as well.BTW there are rules for putting Star Wars in BFG

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-12-22 01:54pm

Typhonis 1 wrote:Abbadons Worldkiller,,Eldar Void Stalker ,,Ork Space Ulk,, and Most Heavy Cruisers from 40k ,yes the Imperial and Chaos Battleships as well.BTW there are rules for putting Star Wars in BFG

Not that they are entirely official. though IIRC the site that produced them is visited by Andy C (designer of BFG) frequently.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-12-22 02:07pm

Typhonis 1 wrote:
Abbadons Worldkiller,,Eldar Void Stalker ,,Ork Space Ulk,, and Most Heavy Cruisers from 40k ,yes the Imperial and Chaos Battleships as well.BTW there are rules for putting Star Wars in BFG

Not that they are entirely official. though IIRC the site that produced them is visited by Andy C (designer of BFG) frequently

The ISD is overpowered. I don't doubt it's a match for an Imperium cruiser, but they list it as battleship

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-12-22 02:11pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:I think that most capital ships from Battlefleet Gothic might be able to kill an ISD, or at least cripple it.

They're definately many times as big as ISDs and designed to take on ships their own size - and the Desolator-class Battleship, which is around 4-6km long, would probably not have any problems crippling an ISD. A broadside from an Avenger-class Grand Cruiser would probably also do it.

And an ISD would definately not have many chances against a Space Marine Battlebarge...

Size doesn't matter, at any rate ISD shielding figures give it something like 32-160+ Teratons, my very generous estimates of lances give them 15TT a shot, and such shots tend to last many seconds, very low wattage in other words, which is totally crap for the IoM since it's the anti-thesis of a effective weapon in SW.
And the ISD's outranges IoM ships.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-12-22 02:16pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:A fight Empire vs Imperium would be very well-balanced and I think it'd be pretty impossible to determine a victor - that's of course in a scenario where the Imperium does not need to constantly fight with traitors, eldar, orcs etc.

I think it's not, Victory to the SW Empire I think is a given, the SWE has 50 million inhabited worlds, there are another 1 billion plus worlds used soley for mining resources, they have intra-galactic communication capabilities and can travel said distances in hours or days, the IoM requires 6 years or so to cross it's territory and their FTL comm-system IIRC is pretty unreliable.

Also the Empire's milliary doubled in strenght in just two years inbetween ANH and TESB, thats millions of ships and billions or trillions of soldiers.
Official figures put the Empires fleet at their peak at 10-22 million ships total.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-12-22 02:18pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:Retribution might take the Giel or the Executor. Maybe not.

*cough cough sputter*

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-12-22 02:19pm

NecronLord wrote:A blackstone fortress

Possibly a necron escort, as they are able to (in fluff) take on IoM capships and win.

Yah, the Necrons, now they are dangerous.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-12-22 02:21pm

His Divine Shadow wrote: Size doesn't matter, at any rate ISD shielding figures give it something like 32-160+ Teratons, my very generous estimates of lances give them 15TT a shot, and such shots tend to last many seconds, very low wattage in other words, which is totally crap for the IoM since it's the anti-thesis of a effective weapon in SW.

15TT?
How did you work that out?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-12-22 02:23pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
NecronLord wrote:A blackstone fortress

Possibly a necron escort, as they are able to (in fluff) take on IoM capships and win.
Yah, the Necrons, now they are dangerous.

I'll take that as a compliment.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-12-22 02:24pm

NecronLord wrote:Yes you are the fact that each volley is said to consist of hundeds of torps.

Ofcourse, but there was some interesting developments on that quote, Grand Admiral Ancaris can explain it.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-12-22 02:27pm

NecronLord wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote: Size doesn't matter, at any rate ISD shielding figures give it something like 32-160+ Teratons, my very generous estimates of lances give them 15TT a shot, and such shots tend to last many seconds, very low wattage in other words, which is totally crap for the IoM since it's the anti-thesis of a effective weapon in SW.
15TT?
How did you work that out?

Many sources, most planet destruction incidents, though the only somewhat verifiable one consisting of the Nightlords destruction of their own homeworld in a single volley, it was kinda made moot when another quote spoke of said planet having an excotic core responsible for the worlds explosion.

Now the incident of the Retribution class pulverizing a moon(which I just guesstimated at 1000km diameter), I got that to 10GT/s lances only.