So what should we do?

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2002-12-21 11:29pm

Considering how many groups of people and ideas are slammed in this forum, does any of you have any solutions to them or all you are going to do is whine?

Lets start with the Israelis. What do you think should be done? What do you think can and would be done realistically?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-12-21 11:34pm

give them mass aid to conquer the middle east, just for kicks. no iraq or iran problem.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-12-21 11:41pm

SWPIGWANG wrote:Lets start with the Israelis. What do you think should be done? What do you think can and would be done realistically?

If both sides realized how full of shit their religions where, the tide of violence would drop dramaticly. Things wouldn't be perfect mind you, but the peace process would be less hindered by religious intoleration and egocentrisism.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-12-21 11:43pm

Speaking from my perspective, as would-be President of America:

Tell them to shape up or forget about American aid; that means, no money, no American soldiers in the region, and possible embargos if they just ignore it.

Thusly, they will have to:

*Hold investigations into the deaths of noncombatants
*Cease and desist the settling of the OCTR, unless:
*The OCTR must be granted independence, and:
*All segregation and discrimation will cease. All Arabs are to be granted full rights.
*Israel may not launch any preemptive invasions. Period.
*Ariel Sharon must step down.

The Palestinians must also shape up, elsewise American soldiers will intervene and force meditation of the conflict. This means:

*Immediate disbanding of the PLA, the infinthada and Hamas, etc.
*American soldiers will be deployed to set up a democratic government. Any member of the PLA, Hamas, or supporter of Arafat will be barred from running for election.
*American soldiers will ensure that all economic aid goes into rebuilding the Palestinian state.

*First nation to attack the other will be met with a full severence of diplomatic ties, embargos, the works. Any further aggressiveness will be met by American occupation.

It will never happen and it's likely full of holes, but it's possible that under this policy that within two or three generations most of the hate in the region will have evaporated and the two states can co-exist.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-12-21 11:46pm

and intervention in the world begins. iraq and isreal both. . .let's rock!

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-12-22 12:52am

I say withdraw totally from the Middle East, and start buying oil from Russia instead of OPEC.

That probably couldn't work, but that's what is most palatable to me right now.

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-12-22 02:07am

The truth is, and the Israelis admit this as well as some of the Arabs I talked with, that a solution must be imposed on them from the outside to make peace work. Both sides have too much pride and vengeance wrapped up in this now to step down: the first side that de-escalates, at this point, is seen as the "loser".

If anyone saw my plan posted in the "Darth Wong's Israel Bashing" thread for the setting up of borders for both Israel and Palestine, that's the kind of imposition I'd make....

Post by **weemadando** » 2002-12-22 02:24am

HemlockGrey wrote:
*Immediate disbanding of the PLA, the infinthada and Hamas, etc.
*American soldiers will be deployed to set up a democratic government. Any member of the PLA, Hamas, or supporter of Arafat will be barred from running for election.

Thats democratic how? What if people want to vote for Arafat or supporters?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-12-22 02:26am

-smiles slightly- dont you know about the democracy of the firearm?

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-12-22 02:33am

My plan in the "Israel Bashing" thread that I mentioned...

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... &start=105

If only we could...

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-12-22 10:25am

[kurtz]Drop the Bomb ... Exterminate them all![/kurtz]

well... it would solve the problems.

bring up a huge pile of new ones though.

J/K

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-12-22 10:43am

Thats democratic how? What if people want to vote for Arafat or supporters?

Arafat is a terrorist. He is incapable of controlling the gov't. It is not full democracy at once, I understand, but in order to keep the gov't working smoothy(and as a token concession to Israel), he cannot be running the show.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-22 10:59am

Arafat's a despicable man. But then again so is Ariel Sharon, what with his involvement with that massacre in Lebanon in 1982.

Arafat won't last much longer ... but even with both of these two old farts gone the bloodshed will go on and on and on and on and on.

papachulo10 · Post by **papachulo10** » 2002-12-22 11:00am

Indeed, Arafat is no more than a criminal.
The palestinians also must stop the suicide bombings against civilians. I mean damnit, if they want a good time why don't they try to blow themselves up next to a Merkva or something. Why the heck to they need to go to a crowded cafe.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-22 11:06am

papachulo10 wrote:Indeed, Arafat is no more than a criminal.
The palestinians also must stop the suicide bombings against civilians. I mean damnit, if they want a good time why don't they try to blow themselves up next to a Merkva or something. Why the heck to they need to go to a crowded cafe.

I can think of several reasons

- Religious fundies are psychos- especially Islamist ones.

- The piss poor no hope state of the people in the Occupied Territories, and their shitty life leads to desperation. They (especially the youngest generation) don't wanna live anymore so they are more susceptible to this kind of despicable violence. Look at the kids. They throw rocks at tanks out of frustration.

- No weapons to fight the IDF with- Israel gets billions of dollars in US aid and has the most skilled military in the region. This has been shown again and again. The Palestinian guerillas/terrorists/militants have literally nothing- their best weapons are AK-47s. They have no anti-armor weapons of any kind, no support weapons, no artillery, no air support. They have however tried the command-detonated mine trick (Chechens use it on Russians)- they've blown up a few Merkarvas sky high with this- but it ain't exactly effective or very repeatable. Russia caught on to this shit (undisclosed devices to prematurely detonate the mines, better convoy security, skilled engineers), I'm sure Israel can too.

papachulo10 · Post by **papachulo10** » 2002-12-22 11:22am

Do you think the afore mentioned reasons are good enough to kill innocent civilians.

I don't.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-12-22 12:43pm

which civilians are you referring to? throwing rocks at a tank yearns for a darwin award.

Admiral Piett · Post by **Admiral Piett** » 2002-12-22 01:42pm

Coyote wrote:The truth is, and the Israelis admit this as well as some of the Arabs I talked with, that a solution must be imposed on them from the outside to make peace work.

The last ones who tried that were the british.They came at home in coffins (many of them at least) after a complete failure.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2002-12-22 03:59pm

For a start Arrafat should not be in a position of power in the 1st place. I hate that this is a world where terrorists can rule countries. Any man or woman arrested for terrorist offences should be barred from any election.

papachulo10 · Post by **papachulo10** » 2002-12-22 06:38pm

Yes he should be arrested, yet i am not sure his people will give him up.

I mean i am pro israel, yet i must admit that peace is practically the only solution. Not israel destroying the palestininans or the arabs destroying israel, just some sort of peace proposal. This is the problem, neither side wants to admit it though.

So we stand here, on the edge of they abyss. There will prolly be another arab-israli war. The israli will prolly win and the shit will happen all over again.

Something needs to break this cycle.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-12-22 07:29pm

If nothing is preventing the Palestinians from fleeing Israeli territory, they should move and start their own state elsewhere. Israel is the size of Conneticut, it's not like the Trail of Tears. Also, get rid of Arafat and have somone else lead the Palestinians.

If Israel give up lands to Palestine, Israelis will probably fight to get it back, or Palestinians will try to get the rest of Israel.

papachulo10 · Post by **papachulo10** » 2002-12-22 08:26pm

All i am saying is that the Isralis were given the land by the UN (spearheaded by the US i think). OK whether or not that is a right decision is another story. The isralies were attacked in 48, in the 60's, and the 70's, and they kicked the ass of every darn country around them. So in my opionion israel has the right to stay there.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-23 09:35am

papachulo10 wrote:Do you think the afore mentioned reasons are good enough to kill innocent civilians.

I don't.

Where did I say they were good reasons?

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-23 09:35am

Enforcer Talen wrote:which civilians are you referring to? throwing rocks at a tank yearns for a darwin award.

No, the psycho who shoots a rock throwing kid deserves to be put up against the wall for death by firing squad.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-12-24 12:30am

NecronLord wrote:[kurtz]Drop the Bomb ... Exterminate them all![/kurtz]

well... it would solve the problems.

bring up a huge pile of new ones though.

J/K :!:

Ahh, we could live with a big cloud of radioactive fallout drifting around the world for a while. And sure deploying that much nuclear tonnage would undoubtedly set off World War Three, but just think . . . after we're done blowing each other up, there'll be peace for a loooong time. Well, at least until the population recovers.

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