What would YOU change about Star Wars?

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2006-09-05 05:44pm

The liscensing deed.

fusion · Post by **fusion** » 2006-09-05 10:46pm

They need a bigger fleet, more ships at the battles and not let Travis sign the contract.
A an actual outline for the EU.
Make a second set of movies set in a later time.
More Death Stars.
A super wanked multi-stellar-destroyer.

And make it mine!

Coalition · Post by **Coalition** » 2006-09-05 11:54pm

My suggestionsonly cover the NJO books, but I would include:

1) Pellaeon is a smart leader, and knows that the Jedi have a tendancy to find weird stuff. As such, a few of their advisors would be deep undercover operatives. The operatives' job would be to report on threats to the Empire, but not turn on the jedi. If they can get one person to be a personal assistant/bodyguard/pilot for the Jedi, even better. This allows Imperial forces to train against current threats, while letting the NR actually deal with the losses.

2) Imperial fleets in the NJO are secretly striking Vong fleets across the galaxy. The heroes would only notice this by wondering why the Vong were delayed or never arriving, as direct appearances would be avoided as much as possible. They might even have merchant shipping delivering supplies to refugees. The heroes might wonder later, why several shipping vessels that normally perform runs on the other side of the galaxy show up with critical materials. Have a few of the ships be the multi-mile long cargo transports, and referred to as 'medium'.

3) The final battle over Coruscant is where the Imperial fleet is revealed. Hundreds of heavy warships, thousands of ISDs, etc. arrive to help defend the planet. This would be the only time the Imperial operative would reveal his true allegiance. After the battle, the Imperial fleet has to defend the capital until the NR rebuilds sufficient defenses.

4) Pellaeon actually sent his entire personal fleet on that venture. The rest of the Imperial fleet has been performing pirate suppression sweeps in the Republic's rear areas, allowing the Republic to free up ships to send against the Vong.

5) Get rid of the Imperial slavery. Have the ships modified for near-human tolerances, or as few species as possible. So if there are Wookie ground troops, the corridors on ships would be designed for their extra height, weapons and materials appropriate for Wookies would be the primary armament, etc. Specialists would have to adapt to the Wookie environmental conditions.

6) Parallel operations. Imperial special operations personnel are assigned to similar missions as Jedi, and they wind up running into each other. Show how professionally trained soldiers can get jobs done as easily as the Jedi.

Extras: Imperial troops that are the 'good guys'. They work to keep the galaxy safe, and the Rebellion in this region is the one doing the slave trading/assassinations/other really distasteful stuff. The readers are told of the Rebellion side, and how heroic and noble the rebellion is, compared to the evil empire. As the story goes on though, the dark side of the local Rebellion is shown off. This is how the local Rebels are financing their operations against the Empire, and the weapons and equipment the protagonists are using was financed through the dealings.

(Just some basic ideas)

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2006-09-05 11:55pm

Aquatain wrote:Remove The Force and tell a story of a unirverse in turmoil with high tech but no magic.

So basicly you don't want Star Wars, you want your pet universe.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2006-09-06 01:15am

Ace Pace wrote:
Aquatain wrote:Remove The Force and tell a story of a unirverse in turmoil with high tech but no magic.
So basicly you don't want Star Wars, you want your pet universe.

I agree. Without the Force, Star Wars is not Star Wars, and the story of Anakin loses a lot of its power.

SeeingRed · Post by **SeeingRed** » 2006-09-06 01:21am

Mostly alter the Prequel Trilogy: first and foremost, change the basic premise of the plot for Episode I. A saga so grand and timeless as Star Wars doesn't deserve to be kicked off by a trading conflict and a blockade due to taxation disputes. I'm not saying there needs to be a huge battle, but just something a little more significant than this.

Also, I'd start Episode I with Anakin at age 15-16 or so, so that his falling into love with Padme and subsequent fall to the Dark Side can be explored in a bit more detail. As it is, Revenge of the Sith seemed a bit rushed to me, and although Anakin's separation from Shmi Skywalker is monumental in his growth into Darth Vader, this can either be covered through flashback or simply occur later in his life; there's nothing that says it has to happen when he's just a boy.

Invictus ChiKen · Post by **Invictus ChiKen** » 2006-09-06 03:03am

First off most of the EU is scrapped. Also the vast majorty of numbers are getting three or four extra zeros added on.

Traviss gets force cho... I mean removed.

Jar Jar will have his character reworked. Less comedic and more of a peaceful type of character.

Anakin will be about 17 along with his friend the future Darth Vader (different name).

Anakin will be Qui Qons apprentace and Vader Obi Wans.

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I'm deffintly using Divine Shadows line where Han comments Shit Happens with Aldreaan.

Vader and Anakin compete for Padmee's affection this will be strongly emphasised in the Pod Race with Anakin winning both as the movie progresses.

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AOTC

Basicly the same story line only more fighting and the storm troopers appear sooner. In this case however the Clones are part of the CIS army and the Storm Troopers are the newly formed Republican Army.

This battle features at least one BDZ on a CIS planet.

Obviously Palpatine starts seducing Vader not Anakin here.

Vader Kills Jango in this version.

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ROTS

Vader uses the force to mind control Padmee for sex impregnating her.

As the Empire forms Vader kills Anakin then is injured by Obi-Wan.

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ANH

While the Death Star still becomes destroyed incopotence is not the reason.

There will be a major space battle hear against the Empires new weapon with literally tens of thousands of ships on both sides.

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ESB

Forget Hoth all together. The new Rebel Base is a mobile battle fleet.

Ozzle is killed for screwing up and allowing this fleet to attack Coresant itself. (Rebel fleet has gotten larger with the aid of the CIS and Corpreate Sector Authority)

We see Grand Admiral Thrawn arriving with a relief force that sends the crippled fleet into a retreat.

Luke of course goes to Degobah to meet Yoda who comes out of retirement and the two join with a remant of the fleet massing at Bespien.

Cloud City is destroyed and Lando joins the Rebellion to get revenge along with bounty hunter Boba Feit. Feit being cheated out of his credits and learning it was Vader that killed his father.

Also add on Vader's *I am your father* bit.

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RotJ

Bobba, Lando, Han and Chewie go after Jabba and take him down in major maily gaining control of his Criminal Empire. (Promises of not being feed to the Rancor, better pay and such all around).

Using these contacts they also recruit the Bounty Hunter's guild. Preparing for the final assault on DS2.

The stupidity we saw in the movies wont play a part here.

Boba, Yoda and Luke lead the assault team in a massive landing while the battle rages above. (There is no option for a stealth strike)

Yode and Luke fight it out with Vader. Yoda dieing and Luke being forced to retreat... right as a sismic charge from Slave one takes Vader out.

Bobba: Got 'em Dad!

The rebels are forced to retreat into space. Finally General Greivous orders Endor BDZed. The shield is down and DS2 is destroyed by overwheling firepower and ships ramming into it's unfineshed open sides.

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The finale chapters would be the Thrawn trilogy. Minus the rebels always being in the right place at the right time. Plus in the end Thrawn restores the Empire...

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » 2006-09-06 02:53pm

Scrap the originals. Decanonise the EU After ROTS.

Fix RotS at the end. Starting first at the scene when Anakin and Obi lock blades after that twirly show. The moment the blades connect every console explodes in sparks. Next change is Anakin clears Obi Wan and kills him.

Then he offs Palpatine. Next Anakin is coronated Emperor then holds up Luke to the crowd for massive cheers.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2006-09-06 02:56pm

Wanderer wrote:Scrap the originals. Decanonise the EU After ROTS.

Fix RotS at the end. Starting first at the scene when Anakin and Obi lock blades after that twirly show. The moment the blades connect every console explodes in sparks. Next change is Anakin clears Obi Wan and kills him.

Then he offs Palpatine. Next Anakin is coronated Emperor then holds up Luke to the crowd for massive cheers.

Again, are you guys just wanking to making your pet univeres without relation to what SW IS?

Cao Cao · Post by **Cao Cao** » 2006-09-06 03:01pm

Wanderer wrote:Then he offs Palpatine. Next Anakin is coronated Emperor then holds up Luke to the crowd for massive cheers.

Gah!! I know this is probably a joke but I hate the Anakin would kill the Emperor crap!

I tell you what, if Anakin had tried to kill Palpatine then Anakin would be a steaming corpse on the floor. Extra crispy.
That whole uberwank Anakin vs. crappy weak tin man Vader gets on my nerves. When I was growing up Vader was the biggest baddest badguy there ever was! And to me he still is!

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Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-09-06 03:22pm

Ace Pace wrote:
Wanderer wrote:Scrap the originals. Decanonise the EU After ROTS.

Fix RotS at the end. Starting first at the scene when Anakin and Obi lock blades after that twirly show. The moment the blades connect every console explodes in sparks. Next change is Anakin clears Obi Wan and kills him.

Then he offs Palpatine. Next Anakin is coronated Emperor then holds up Luke to the crowd for massive cheers.
Again, are you guys just wanking to making your pet univeres without relation to what SW IS?

I've also been rather bothered by this. Of course, I would also include any alteration that involves Anakin and Vader being seperate people (I have no idea why so many are fixated on the idea), as it invariably cheapens or completely eliminates Vader's redemption, which, to me, is a principle component to the saga.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2006-09-06 03:24pm

I'm not even sure you'd need prequels. One of the things that appealed to me in ANH was that Luke - and the audience through him - had no idea what the backstory of his father, or the backstory of the fall of the Republic, could have been. He knew what had happened - dad was a pilot and died, the Empire is bad - but that was about it.

This is a far richer background to build a movie universe on. You can fill in the background through current events; have Luke discover how the Empire came to be without forcing everything down the audience's throat.

I mean, that was the beauty of Star Wars: you're dropped into a galaxy-spanning epic with no background; you watch a story that has been unfolding for decades. Why butcher that by going back and revisiting past events, events that no longer add to that universe? The audience *knows* what will happen in the prequels, they know how the prelude ends. Prequels can be entertaining, but they'll never have a real purpose, at least not one that can be better met through competent storytelling in the present.

Episodes IV and V are virtually perfect as-is. The only element I was never happy about is Vader's claim of being Luke's father - or rather, the idea that the Jedi who left Luke his saber and Vader are one and the same. I can accept Vader as Luke's biological father, just not as the man Ben describes in ANH.

VI - I never really liked VI. Again with Tatooine, again with a Death Star, an Emperor who acts more like comic relief than as a credible galactic ruler. That movie'd need a lot of work to, well, work. Get a better threat, not just the-DS-but-bigger.

ETA

(I have no idea why so many are fixated on the idea)

Gut. It makes Ben's scenes in ANH easier to digest and sounds less contrived.

Cao Cao · Post by **Cao Cao** » 2006-09-06 03:29pm

You know I don't find Tatooine so objectionable as some seem to think it is.
Yeah it's in the ass end of the galaxy where nothing happens, but it's also the hero's home. And the hero always goes home in fairytales and old time adventure stories.
Though I would cut out the Jabba stuff and have Luke return to his actual home and see his friends. Just to see how much he's changed from the naive farmboy.

Gut. It makes Ben's scenes in ANH easier to digest and sounds less contrived.

I don't think they sound contrived at all, at least not in the context of Episode V.
They sound contrived after the PT, since the good man and friend becomes a horny, petulant little boy.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2006-09-06 03:38pm

You know I don't find Tatooine so objectionable as some seem to think it is.
Yeah it's in the ass end of the galaxy where nothing happens, but it's also the hero's home. And the hero always goes home in fairytales and old time adventure stories.

But why would he return? Luke himself said he had nothing left on Tatooine. His friends left, his family is dead. And was there any reason for Jabba to live on the planet?

The problem I have is that you have *such* a large galaxy to set stories in, yet Lucas seemed obsessed with yting everything into a planet that was decribed as nothing else then a useless rock that everyone wanted to get away from ASAP.

I don't think they sound contrived at all, at least not in the context of Episode V.

It's the disconnect between Vader and Anakin that Ben implies ("one killed the other"). I can accept Vader as Luke's biological father, but it needed to have been written better than the "well, he sorta died in a metaphysical sense" copout we got.

Cao Cao · Post by **Cao Cao** » 2006-09-06 03:49pm

Bounty wrote:But why would he return? Luke himself said he had nothing left on Tatooine. His friends left, his family is dead. And was there any reason for Jabba to live on the planet?

The problem I have is that you have *such* a large galaxy to set stories in, yet Lucas seemed obsessed with yting everything into a planet that was decribed as nothing else then a useless rock that everyone wanted to get away from ASAP.

Well, if it were up to me since I agree with the basic premise of the archetypal hero's homecoming I'd make it so that the Empire decides to test it's new Death Star* on Tatooine, Luke arrives determined to stop them but fails.

He does have a few friends left there, though for them to matter at all it'd mean the restoration of the cut Tatooine scenes in ANH.

*I don't have an issue with a second Death Star either, but rather than it being destroyed once again by plucky Rebels I'd have it bring down a reign of terror for the next 2 or 3 movies.

I can accept Vader as Luke's biological father, but it needed to have been written better than the "well, he sorta died in a metaphysical sense" copout we got.

Well I can see how that could disappoint some, but I thought it was a good metaphor for what happened.

Sun Wukung · Post by **Sun Wukung** » 2006-09-06 04:45pm

I never thought this would become a merry-go-round of the type "I hate the EU" and "Throw out the Prequels" so why hasn't someone said "Scrap the ICS guyz. Like m i rite guyz?1!". I mean the Expanded Universe has some stinkers in it, but it has some good stories (ie the books with Luke making up his new Jedi order. Not the lame NJO books.)

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2006-09-06 05:10pm

Noble Ire wrote:I've also been rather bothered by this. Of course, I would also include any alteration that involves Anakin and Vader being seperate people (I have no idea why so many are fixated on the idea), as it invariably cheapens or completely eliminates Vader's redemption, which, to me, is a principle component to the saga.

Did ANH or TESB require "Vader's redemption" to be as good as they were?

Anything else I say at this point would be a "me too" of Bounty's posts. The man's on a fucking roll.

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » 2006-09-06 05:37pm

Noble Ire wrote:
Ace Pace wrote:
Wanderer wrote:Scrap the originals. Decanonise the EU After ROTS.

Fix RotS at the end. Starting first at the scene when Anakin and Obi lock blades after that twirly show. The moment the blades connect every console explodes in sparks. Next change is Anakin clears Obi Wan and kills him.

Then he offs Palpatine. Next Anakin is coronated Emperor then holds up Luke to the crowd for massive cheers.
Again, are you guys just wanking to making your pet univeres without relation to what SW IS?
I've also been rather bothered by this. Of course, I would also include any alteration that involves Anakin and Vader being seperate people (I have no idea why so many are fixated on the idea), as it invariably cheapens or completely eliminates Vader's redemption, which, to me, is a principle component to the saga.

You can still have that. Anakin as Emperor would be a tyrant through and through. Just have Luke show him the error of his ways. Give me a day to figure that out plot wise.

Cao Cao · Post by **Cao Cao** » 2006-09-06 05:40pm

Wanderer wrote:You can still have that. Anakin as Emperor would be a tyrant through and through. Just have Luke show him the error of his ways. Give me a day to figure that out plot wise.

Anakin as Emperor and Vader as his stooge?
That's crazy enough to work..

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-09-06 05:42pm

Now we need real changes instead of this namby-pamby "I'll scrap ep-1,2,3,6".

Pussies.

Invoke real vision. Instead of a single Death Star, the final battle would have five Death Stars duking it out all in a glorious battle to win Princess Leia's hand in marriage, because it's obvious in the Star Wars universe she's the only hot chick left.

Or really...while it's fun, I do find more enjoyment reading the more absurd because those at least don't invoke bad AU fanfic in my mind.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2006-09-06 05:53pm

GR channelling Liefeld. Nice.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-09-06 06:09pm

Galvatron wrote:GR channelling Liefeld. Nice.

That was the smallest part of my grand vision...the rest would melt the minds of the young and uninitiated.

Also, there would be more boobage.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2006-09-06 06:28pm

There are only five things i'd change, all but two of them minor problems IMO...

Vader and Anakin are seperate people. But they should be brothers. Like they look alike, and Vader has sex with Padme under the assumption he is Anakin, after he kills him. They were in a battle, and because he always wanted Padme and hated his brother, he let him die and Obi Wan knew. As far as anyone else knows, Vader IS Anakin. But Obi Wan lets the cat out of the bag and he tries to kill him, and he fails at life so he cant and gets all burninated. I think it has some Arthurian overtones, like when Morgan seduced her brother to produce her son Mordred.

The 'Emperor' turns out to be a senile old man, who came to power as the patsy of Vader who was the real power behind the throne. Vader in this is written as always being a psychopath...which goes onto the next one...

No 'redemption' bullshit. I'm sick of that. No, nothing Vader did will EVER redeem him. Ever. He killed, allowed to be killed, too many people to ever be 'redeemed' by saying he's sorry and killing Palpatine. In this one, Luke says something similar to what Obi Wan says only switch 'brother' to 'father' and so it will match the scene from ROTS when Vader gets mauled. Vader still responds, in his mechanical voice, "I hate you!!!" as Luke runs out to escape the dying DS2.

Change the PT so that the Clone Wars comes from a 'secret' behind the seens organization Which turns out to be the resurgent Sith Empire led by a mysterious Darth Sidious who turns out to be the 'father' of Aanakin and Vader, one Senator Palpatine, implying he became a senile old man later.

The Clones are the bad guys, who later become the Storm Troopers under Palpatine and later Vader.

Those are rather major changes but it would make the villains of the Star Wars series much more sinister, which i think they need. This 'poor wittle tradgic guy' shit is simply too tiresome. Like someone has a fixation on every villain being 'deep' which in modern definition means "they ddint mean to kill all those folks, it just slipped out". In this one Vader is painted as a psychopathic, Hitler-like figure and the Jedi would be painted more like they were originally shown, as a force of warriors with superpowers akin to the mythic Knights of the Round table, not some pansy so-called 'religious' movement.

Also these changes, except in the PT, would require only minor changes in the plot. The OT would go on mainly as it had before except with the change of teh Emperor and Vader's characters, while the PT would be changed rather drastically though.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2006-09-06 06:45pm

Ghost Rider wrote:That was the smallest part of my grand vision...the rest would melt the minds of the young and uninitiated.

Also, there would be more boobage.

That sounds awesome. And extreme.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-09-06 06:52pm

Galvatron wrote:
Noble Ire wrote:I've also been rather bothered by this. Of course, I would also include any alteration that involves Anakin and Vader being seperate people (I have no idea why so many are fixated on the idea), as it invariably cheapens or completely eliminates Vader's redemption, which, to me, is a principle component to the saga.
Did ANH or TESB require "Vader's redemption" to be as good as they were?

No, but it did add depth to Darth Vader's character, and improved the saga as a whole. Certainly, Vader could have worked fine as just a villain, but I think the final, "flawed hero" Anakin was a superior character.

18 wrote:No 'redemption' bullshit. I'm sick of that. No, nothing Vader did will EVER redeem him. Ever. He killed, allowed to be killed, too many people to ever be 'redeemed' by saying he's sorry and killing Palpatine.

Vader's redemption was one for himself, and for his son. True, nothing he could have ever done would make up for his crimes to the rest of the galaxy or any of his victims, but by sacrificing himself to save the life of his son and in the process eliminating the greatest evil of the time was enough, in my eyes at least, to at least show that there was still some good in him. He had to die for his crimes and he did so, in the best way he possibly could have.

18 wrote:Those are rather major changes but it would make the villains of the Star Wars series much more sinister, which i think they need. This 'poor wittle tradgic guy' shit is simply too tiresome. Like someone has a fixation on every villain being 'deep' which in modern definition means "they ddint mean to kill all those folks, it just slipped out".

As far as I can recall, Vader is the only major villain, with the possible exception of Dooku (and the reasons behind his fall were never really explored in the films themselves) in the whole saga who is not obviously a "bad guy" throughout. Though it does sometimes work, like with Palpatine, blatantly obviously characters are not somehow superior to complex ones, despite what you seem to think.