A New Hope: Then and Now

[Kurgan]

Do you think a certain Vs. commentator will seize on this?

Uhhh, are you referring to DumbShit? His argument is some bullshit "superlaser effect". That the entire hemisphere is glowing white hot is the reasonable argument.

(correct me if I'm wrong but) Robert Scott "DarkStar/G2k/Scooter/etc" Anderson's argument was that the "old" Star Wars showed an explicit active planetary shield, but now the superlaser is striking the planet directly (which the caption seems to imply, meaning for him, presumably that Lucas has retconned full planetary shields out of existence in the highest level canon). That's why I was wondering if this is something he'd jump on to say it supports his conclusion. It's been awhile though, maybe I wasn't remembering his rhetoric right...

[Cao Cao]

The shield is mentioned in the ANH novelization is it not?
Then if anything, the 2004 shot proves the Death Star is even more powerful, for much less of it's energy dissipated onto the shield.

[Darth Wong]

(correct me if I'm wrong but) Robert Scott "DarkStar/G2k/Scooter/etc" Anderson's argument was that the "old" Star Wars showed an explicit active planetary shield, but now the superlaser is striking the planet directly (which the caption seems to imply, meaning for him, presumably that Lucas has retconned full planetary shields out of existence in the highest level canon). That's why I was wondering if this is something he'd jump on to say it supports his conclusion. It's been awhile though, maybe I wasn't remembering his rhetoric right...

The fact that the quote is a very imprecise description of the visual effects and not in any way intended to be interpreted in-universe probably wouldn't even bother him. That sort of thing has never stopped him before.

[Wild Karrde]

The second blaster hit that was removed. Why, I have no idea but it looked so much better in the 77 version.


The Fuck? Blaster bolts are red not yellowish-orange. Why change the color so dramatically?


Here you can see that the laser bolt has been turned yellowish-orange instead of red (again).


Motherfuckers! They did'nt even attempt to fix this fuckup which is especially pitiful because somone, from the comfort of their own home, usng a regular pc, was able to fix this scene and Luke's saber on the Falcon and post it to the internet over two years before the dvds came out!


They didn't fix R2's color's for the DS battle even though they go on at length about how they corrected it for ESB.

[MKSheppard]

Motherfuckers! They did'nt even attempt to fix this fuckup which is especially pitiful because somone, from the comfort of their own home, usng a regular pc, was able to fix this scene and Luke's saber on the Falcon and post it to the internet over two years before the dvds came out!

Damn Straight.

Plus, they really didn't redo much of the space SFX; all they did was change a few shots thats it. I was expecting them to completely redo all the space shots back in '97

[Lord Poe]

At this point, I wouldn't care if they just remade 4, 5, and 6.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I really don't care that much about the SE and DVD changes anymore: it takes too much effort to get upset over. The only change that still really bothers me to a great degree is switching "Lapti Nek" with "Jedi Rocks" in Return of the Jedi. Besides that, I don't get that bothered.

[Vympel]

(correct me if I'm wrong but) Robert Scott "DarkStar/G2k/Scooter/etc" Anderson's argument was that the "old" Star Wars showed an explicit active planetary shield

You don't actually believe that bullshit, surely? He says that now because it was replaced in the Special Edition. If it was still how it looked originally, he'd say that his "superlaser effect" "predicted" the effect and that "DET" couldn't possibly explain it. The guy is pathologically incapable of granting even the most obvious points.

This is a guy who:

- seriously argued that Obi-Wan's fighter in the AotC asteroid belt was not, in fact, shielded, and that all the explosions from Jango's fire was simply because Jango was a terrible shot. Don't know how that works? Neither does anyone else.

- attempted to dismiss the "target, maximum firepower" Veers quote from TESB by saying it could refer to the use of the chin guns- which, he said, had never been used in the battle before that point. When presented with screenshots proving that, yes, they had been used the entire fucking time (as any honest person would have admitted if they had seen TESB at least once), he did not concede but instead said that he would have to "investigate the issue further" or some such bullshit, because Warsies are liars and the screenshots could've been tampered with. Needless to say, he never returned to that thread again.

- argued that the Endor shield couldn't be used to erect a planetary shield (i.e. using multiple generators) because they would "wreck the planet", on the basis of a line of bullshit Han Solo fed to the Ewoks in the RotJ novelization about the Empire "tapping a lot of energy out of this planet that you're going to need come winter". Go figure. I guess that means, in the Darkstarverse, that the Ewoks either use fusion power, or that the Endor shield generator is powered by wood fire. Ungodly amounts of wood.

[Kurgan]

(correct me if I'm wrong but) Robert Scott "DarkStar/G2k/Scooter/etc" Anderson's argument was that the "old" Star Wars showed an explicit active planetary shield

You don't actually believe that bullshit, surely? He says that now because it was replaced in the Special Edition. If it was still how it looked originally, he'd say that his "superlaser effect" "predicted" the effect and that "DET" couldn't possibly explain it. The guy is pathologically incapable of granting even the most obvious points.

I never said I did, it just seemed like the sort of thing that would be perfect for such people to pick apart. I don't know what he said before, perhaps he only felt it was "safe" to admit it was a planetary shield since the Special Edition "superceded" (according to Lucas) the old versions... so now he could pretend it was intended to be removed.

Oh well, I'm not hypothetically taking his side, just more one of those "I bet he'll comment on this" throwaway observations.

- argued that the Endor shield couldn't be used to erect a planetary shield (i.e. using multiple generators) because they would "wreck the planet", on the basis of a line of bullshit Han Solo fed to the Ewoks in the RotJ novelization about the Empire "tapping a lot of energy out of this planet that you're going to need come winter". Go figure. I guess that means, in the Darkstarverse, that the Ewoks either use fusion power, or that the Endor shield generator is powered by wood fire. Ungodly amounts of wood.

LOL! I forgot about that. There was some crap in the novel I'm glad they left out of the movie...


Yep, the colors are all screwed up throughout the trilogy, thanks to whatever color timing software they were using in the restoration process.

I hate to think how the film reels are falling apart while a pristine digital master sits on their hard drives with the colors wrong throughout most of the movies...

The movies don't need to be remade, they just need to hire somebody who actually gives a damn about making sure the movies look proper, on DVD. There's hundreds of people making fan edits out there, some of them quite talented. But no, we have to have Lowry Digital and their cut rate creative decisions (or is that 20th Century Fox's fault?).

Anyway, I'm glad SOMEBODY decided it was worth going against Lucas's desires to release the original movies, even if they are just LD dumps from 1993. "The first and only time" they say. Wonder how long that decision will stand for?

[Lord Poe]

At this point, I wouldn't care if they just remade 4, 5, and 6.

Who the fuck am I kidding....

[Darth Wong]

At this point, I wouldn't care if they just remade 4, 5, and 6.

Who the fuck am I kidding....

I was trying to figure out what you meant by that.

[Lord Poe]

I was trying to figure out what you meant by that.

Only a momentary lapse into apathy toward the entire SW saga!

[Battlehymn Republic]

Meh, I'm waiting until they digitally insert the scenes like Luke talking to Biggs on Tatooine in the super-deluxe director's cut version on the 50th anniversary of the release of ANH. It'd probably be less disappointing than Episodes VIII. Stupid Kerry Conran.

Seriously, aren't they just going to update and retouch the films every decade or so? When will enough be enough? Aren't these DVD versions different from the "Special Edition" films that came out in the '90s?

[Vympel]

Meh, I'm waiting until they digitally insert the scenes like Luke talking to Biggs on Tatooine in the super-deluxe director's cut version on the 50th anniversary of the release of ANH. It'd probably be less disappointing than Episodes VIII. Stupid Kerry Conran.

Seriously, aren't they just going to update and retouch the films every decade or so? When will enough be enough? Aren't these DVD versions different from the "Special Edition" films that came out in the '90s?

In several ways, mostly minor, some major.

[JME2]

I really don't care that much about the SE and DVD changes anymore: it takes too much effort to get upset over. The only change that still really bothers me to a great degree is switching "Lapti Nek" with "Jedi Rocks" in Return of the Jedi. Besides that, I don't get that bothered.

Don't forget "Yub Yub".

[Kurgan]

I think pink lightsabers are kinda sexy.



Oops, didn't mean to say (or type) that out loud!

[Ypoknons]

Well you can't say that the dynamic range of colors didn't improve, as a whole.

[Kurgan]

The 2004's are more colorful, yes, they're just all wrong.

Vader's pink lightsaber is pretty. Luke's green lightsaber in ANH is pretty. They're just incorrect, and thus take me out of the moment, that's all, like if Obi-Wan suddenly was a wookiee in one scene.

The effect is also inconsistent, which makes it look sloppy. Did they really only have 30 days to do the restoration?