Magic: the Gathering vs AD&D

gravity · Post by **gravity** » 2002-12-23 10:24am

All of the forces/power, past and present of M:tG, engage in a huge war against all of the forces of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons.
Who wins?
No gods or other (semi-)omnipotent beings are allowed, but everything else goes. Assume that many portals connect all M:tG worlds to all AD&D ones, so that all forces can travel back and forth easily.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-12-23 10:31am

Phyrixian's=The Win for Magic the Gathering

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-23 11:55am

Anter, the tarasque. Impossible to kill.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2002-12-23 12:07pm

Planeswalkers are pretty damn powerful. They could just move whatever they couldn't kill to another plane, then collapse the plain.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-12-23 12:42pm

are we talking raistlin and elminster vs phyrexia and urza?

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2002-12-23 02:14pm

Give a Phyrexian Dreadnaught or Devouring Strossus (9/9, flying, trample) protection from all colors, then send them out to wreck havoc!

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2002-12-23 02:26pm

What exactly counts for the D&D side? Just the "standard" Greyhawk stuff or are we talking about Forgotten Realms and what-not as well?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-12-23 02:27pm

Lets see

Magic has

Planeswalkers, Not just Elder Dragons but around 40-90 Elders not one every other thing

Does D&D Get Planescape? As its rather cheap to give them infinite amount of pit lords + Balrogs

But then the giant Mile Long Phyrixian battleships with Iowa sized weaponry that fly clears out most of the D&D Ground Forces

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2002-12-23 03:28pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Anter, the tarasque. Impossible to kill.

However, not impossible to turn upside down and suspend in the air while you figure a way out to kill it

Phyrexians or Urzas forces would win this. Not just because of their fleets, but their ground troops, extremely high density of magical/high tech gear, plus the generel uberness of their troops.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-23 04:05pm

Does D&D get beings like raistlin, elminster and....Karsus?

Oh wait, according to the OP we get EVERYTHING. *casts GATE and starts bringing in hordes of Balors*

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-23 04:06pm

*mage casts stioneskin, dimensional anchor, freedom of mivment, then fly on himself. Then casts Black Blade of Disaster and charges through enemy ranks*

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2002-12-23 04:08pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:*mage casts stioneskin, dimensional anchor, freedom of mivment, then fly on himself. Then casts Black Blade of Disaster and charges through enemy ranks*

*Casts excise on Alyrium Denryle, which removes him from the game permamently

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HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-12-23 04:13pm

*mage casts stioneskin, dimensional anchor, freedom of mivment, then fly on himself. Then casts Black Blade of Disaster and charges through enemy ranks*

Only to be utterly slaughtered by one of the aforementiond Phyrexian battleships.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2002-12-23 04:26pm

[quote="Alyrium Denryle"]Does D&D get beings like raistlin, elminster and....Karsus?

Oh wait, according to the OP we get EVERYTHING. *casts GATE and starts bringing in hordes of Balors*[/quote

Eat Syrex blast!

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-23 04:46pm

You kill us, and more will keep coming(that is the cool thingwith interplanar summoning) I am however unfamiliar with migic the gathering. i havne tplayed for a couple years.

Lets see how much info I can dig up for spelljammer

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-23 04:47pm

HemlockGrey wrote:
*mage casts stioneskin, dimensional anchor, freedom of mivment, then fly on himself. Then casts Black Blade of Disaster and charges through enemy ranks*
Only to be utterly slaughtered by one of the aforementiond Phyrexian battleships.

Not borore he kills a few minions

*mages cast prismatic sphere, and begin casting from the saftey of the shimmering domes, completly immune to everything*

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2002-12-23 04:51pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:
*mage casts stioneskin, dimensional anchor, freedom of mivment, then fly on himself. Then casts Black Blade of Disaster and charges through enemy ranks*
Only to be utterly slaughtered by one of the aforementiond Phyrexian battleships.
Not borore he kills a few minions

*mages cast prismatic sphere, and begin casting from the saftey of the shimmering domes, completly immune to everything*

except that Falcon engine or Spinal centipede thats in there with him...

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2002-12-23 04:54pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:
*mage casts stioneskin, dimensional anchor, freedom of mivment, then fly on himself. Then casts Black Blade of Disaster and charges through enemy ranks*
Only to be utterly slaughtered by one of the aforementiond Phyrexian battleships.
Not borore he kills a few minions

*mages cast prismatic sphere, and begin casting from the saftey of the shimmering domes, completly immune to everything*

Planeswalker just cast a "Wraith of God" and kills all beings in the plane... or just a counterspell

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-23 04:59pm

Hmm plane destruction

Though, the mage is still safe inside the sphere

The DM brings out battleships of his own design

Using rods of chainlightning to create railguns is always a blast...literally

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2002-12-23 06:16pm

And don't forget M:TG'ers, your defense against spells is very poor compared to D&D. Whereas you may have a few Blue spells to counter-act hostile magic, a competent wizard or sorcerer can counter-spell almost anything. And that's just arcane magic. Miracle, anyone?

Clerics 0wnz0rz j00

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-23 06:25pm

Exonerate wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:*mage casts stioneskin, dimensional anchor, freedom of mivment, then fly on himself. Then casts Black Blade of Disaster and charges through enemy ranks*
*Casts excise on Alyrium Denryle, which removes him from the game permamently *

I use Greter dispelling(or beter yet epic dispelling) to counterspell

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2002-12-23 07:09pm

Hahahahaha The great Phy whatever battleship meets the really scary Dragon. Hellfire Dragon. These guys are are the Generals in the blood War. Really fucking scary I've seen the stats, they make Ancient Red Wyrm's look like kiddies. (Monstrous Manual 2)

Plus as mentioned D+D has the planes thats an infinite amount of space. (Well actually many times infinite amount of space) filled with Infinite amount of possilbilties and Creatures. All we really need is a few spells cast around our Celestral forces and most of your troops are down. (Try beating someone with a +5 Dancing Vorpal Greatsword, who is also armed with a +5 Composite Longbow with the abilty to make any Arrow of slaying it wishes. Who also has the abilty to fly, and has had some mage or other cast Stoneskin on it.) Added to all that is unless you kill the Outsiders on their plane then you have to kill them all over again when you reach their plane, or in a Hundred years time whichever comes first!!!

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2002-12-23 07:45pm

And exactly how many Hellfire dragons are there ?

Cause there are a hell of a lot of Phyrexian ships, all armed with nasty Ray-Cannons, Black Mana bombards etc, etc

Phyrexia alone is a lethal opponent for D&D, the 9 spheres of Phyrexia are warded from planeswalkers by Yawghmoths power, giving them a vast unreachable base to strike from.

Even if you assume that the Elvish/human/etc plagues wont affect their D+D brethren, it wont take long for the Vat-masters to produce tailored plagues.

which they then bombard their target worlds with.

Starting with say, the Forgotten Realms or Grey Hawk.

covert entrances by phyrexian operatives gathering info, followed by mass invasions, plague bomb bombardments, Stone Chargers, mana bombs, all the Toys Yawgmoth has.

Then the portals open, Phyrexian fleets portal in, nations are overun, evil powers make deals with Yawgmoth, perma-portals are established, raw material collected, massive deployment of millions upon millions of Superior phyrexian troops, with technological enhancements, natural abilitys and backed up by Witch Engines, Phyrexian Artifact creatures, enslaved armies with augmentic spines, undead, etc etc.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-12-23 07:49pm

Ok things aviable to MtG

Wrath of God, Destroys your avarage hord of minons no matter how big

Anninlation, Destroys PLANES, Screw your mage the entire plane is removed from existance(Like to see you counter THAT)

Urza's Titian Engines are decent Fighters

Urza's Rage can't be countered or stoped

More +20 Weapons than you could shake a stick at

The Abyss wins it for D&D however as it unlike the Planes are is truely infinte

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2002-12-23 08:14pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Exonerate wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:*mage casts stioneskin, dimensional anchor, freedom of mivment, then fly on himself. Then casts Black Blade of Disaster and charges through enemy ranks*
*Casts excise on Alyrium Denryle, which removes him from the game permamently *
I use Greter dispelling(or beter yet epic dispelling) to counterspell

*Casts Urza's rage, with the kicker.* Can't be countered