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Mr Bean wrote:Ok things aviable to MtG

Wrath of God, Destroys your avarage hord of minons no matter how big
Counterable with a counterspels like greater dispelling
Anninlation, Destroys PLANES, Screw your mage the entire plane is removed from existance(Like to see you counter THAT)
ANy Ubermage worth his salt can do that, they can create planes too. Hell, again greater dispelling, or epic dispelling and the mages inside prismatic spheres are even safe from planar disruption
Urza's Titian Engines are decent Fighters
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[quote[Urza's Rage can't be countered or stoped[/quote]

Then contain the subject in prismatic walls
More +20 Weapons than you could shake a stick at
Usless when fighting mages. sure the fighters would be fucked...
The Abyss wins it for D&D however as it unlike the Planes are is truely infinte
Yeah, imlove the abyss, with all the demons :twisted: *starts summoning them, opens a fift into the abyss* we can worry about re-containing them later :twisted:
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Magic has too many powerful spells to deal with enemy creature hordes, such as The Abyss, Moat, Wrath of God, Nevinyyral's Disk, etc. Sure, the D&D mages can try to dispell them, but the Magic mages will have Counterspells of their own, including ones that cost no mana (such as Force of Will) and ones that can be used several times in rapid succession (such as Forbid).
As for prismatic spheres, they can easily be taken care of with Tranquility or similar untargetted enchantment killing, then the mage can be hit with uncounterable Urza's Rage.
If worst comes to worst, there's always mass-kill combos, like an infinite mana-engine + Rolling Thunder + possibly Ghostly Flame (makes it so that Rolling Thunder is now generic "damage" rather than easily resistable Red (fire and/or lightning etc.) damage), which can be protected from dispellation by Force of Will and Arcane Laboratory. Though that might be a case of applying the game too literally to the real world :p.
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Urza's Titian Engines are decent Fighters
Decent ?

great would be better!

masses of weaponry, plus the huge spell repotoire of the planeswalker inside one, plus awesome physical prowess
Then contain the subject in prismatic walls
AFAIK, not too many people or beings can cast that spell, which, is to be honest what you are going to have to use against most of vastly superior Phyrexian forces, along with summoning things.

I take it you have conceded that anything short of uber sorcerers etc are going to lose.

Hell, wait a minute, why am I just debating phyrexia here!

as for your Rifts to abysses, planeswalkers are good for closing those sorts of things, and blowing huge chunks out of continents IIRC when they do.
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Anything but dragons, demons, devils, celestials, mages, clerics, and psionicists die

Everything else is just too weak to defend themselves.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Mr Bean wrote: Yeah, imlove the abyss, with all the demons :twisted: *starts summoning them, opens a fift into the abyss* we can worry about re-containing them later :twisted:
M:tG simply counters with Light of Day, no black creatures (including Demons) can attack :D. Or Cleansing which destroys all black creatures :twisted:.
Plus, Magic has an Abyss of it's own to deal with your one :p.
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A demon wouldnt be considered a black creature, as it doesnt use mana, and is not allied to m:tg's polarity system :D


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Alyrium Denryle wrote:Anything but dragons, demons, devils, celestials, mages, clerics, and psionicists die

Everything else is just too weak to defend themselves.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:A demon wouldnt be considered a black creature, as it doesnt use mana, and is not allied to m:tg's polarity system :D
Yes, it would be considered black. Something doesn't have to use black mana to be considered black, and every single demon in M:tG, ever, regardless of what plane they came from, has been black.
You don't have to be aligned with anything to be black (it's not an empire or a force or anything), you just have to have certain traits. Being a demon is definitely a black trait :p.
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Besides, if they're not black, the only thing that they can be is Artifact Creatures, in which case they can be all instantly killed with Shatterstorm.
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What about the Lady of Pain? :twisted: I mean, technically she's not a goddess, and she probably isn't omnipotent.
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Eother way the celestials pick up the slack. Mages beigin casting "ruin" and "pestilence"

The gods, seeing their realms in danger, resurrect Karsus. and eliminate all restrictions on magic use to their mages. Karsus starts casting 17th level spells.....
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:Eother way the celestials pick up the slack.
Yup. So we lose some Balors, so what? Here come the Solars and Planetars. And seeing as how Solars can invoke a Wish spell once per day... :twisted:
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Magic horribly horribly smacks down AD&D. Three words my friends, Big Furry Monster. Also known as the 99/99 Monster of death!
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gravity wrote:Besides, if they're not black, the only thing that they can be is Artifact Creatures, in which case they can be all instantly killed with Shatterstorm.
False Dilemma, gravity.

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Captain_Cyran wrote:Magic horribly horribly smacks down AD&D. Three words my friends, Big Furry Monster. Also known as the 99/99 Monster of death!
:roll: D&D can more than hold its own in the "Facetious Uber-Death-Creature" department. Just look at any April issue of Dragon, there's plenty of CR 3-billion stuff.
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Exonerate wrote: *Casts excise on Alyrium Denryle, which removes him from the game permamently :twisted:*
I use Greter dispelling(or beter yet epic dispelling) to counterspell :twisted:
*Casts Urza's rage, with the kicker.* Can't be countered :)
You know what you use then? Simulacrum, it doesn't counter the damage, it just moves it. :D
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Captain_Cyran wrote:Magic horribly horribly smacks down AD&D. Three words my friends, Big Furry Monster. Also known as the 99/99 Monster of death!
:roll: D&D can more than hold its own in the "Facetious Uber-Death-Creature" department. Just look at any April issue of Dragon, there's plenty of CR 3-billion stuff.
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personally, I think I could have a feild day with 'terrors'. 4/5 of the dnd mages and generals, gone.
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Enforcer Talen wrote:personally, I think I could have a feild day with 'terrors'. 4/5 of the dnd mages and generals, gone.
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Move with unstoppable legions of Phyrexian troops and kill the mages when they're in the antimagic field.
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The one thing you have to love about magic, is that there is NOTHING that works all the time, there is always something that can beat even the most ultimate cards, case in point the Sorceress Queen which turns creatures into 0/2's...but her ability is counteracted by the ability 'Cannot be the target of spells or abilities'. Anything that AD&D can throw infront of M:tG, I'm near positive there is SOMETHING that can break it down in a very simple way.
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Goblins and the right spells and enough mana could take this, set up several Goblin warrens, pump out an army, mogg infestation, mogg infestation, mogg infestation, mogg infestation, Goblin King/Caves/Shrines, more use of the Warrens, and the DnD worlds collapse into a black hole.
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Captain_Cyran wrote:The one thing you have to love about magic, is that there is NOTHING that works all the time, there is always something that can beat even the most ultimate cards, case in point the Sorceress Queen which turns creatures into 0/2's...but her ability is counteracted by the ability 'Cannot be the target of spells or abilities'. Anything that AD&D can throw infront of M:tG, I'm near positive there is SOMETHING that can break it down in a very simple way.
That's a double-edged sword.
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HemlockGrey wrote:Move with unstoppable legions of Phyrexian troops and kill the mages when they're in the antimagic field.
The mages sure as hell dot project it around themselves. they project it around the enemy mage trying to cast a spell.
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