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Nearly 10% of Self-Proclaimed 'Straight' Men Only Have Sex With Men
By Daniel DeNoon
WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Louise Chang, MD
on Monday, September 18, 2006
Sept. 18, 2006 -- Nearly one in 10 men who say they're straight have sex only with other men, a New York City survey finds.
And 70% of those straight-identified men having sex with men are married.
In fact, 10% of all married men in this survey report same-sex behavior during the past year.
This means safe-sex messages aimed at straight and gay men are likely missing this important subgroup, suggest Preeti Pathela, DrPH, New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, and colleagues.
"To reduce the burden of sexually transmitted diseases and HIV infection among men who have sex with men, it is of utmost importance for [health care] providers to take a sexual history that ascertains the sex of a partner," Pathela and colleagues report. "Asking about a patient's sexual identity will not adequately assess his risk."
Straight Men Who Have Sex With Men
In 2003, Pathela's team performed telephone interviews with nearly 4,200 New York City men. They conducted the interviews in English, Spanish, Chinese, and Russian; a translation service helped with interviews in Greek, Korean, Yiddish, Polish, and Haitian Creole.
In nearly every study of sexual behavior, the percentage of men who report sex with men is higher than the percentage of men who report being gay.
So Pathela and colleagues first asked the men if they were bisexual, gay, or straight. Then they asked about specific sexual behaviors.
Some of the findings:
* Straight-identified men who have sex with men report fewer sex partners than gay men.
* Straight-identified men who have sex with men report fewer STDs in the past year than gay men.
* Straight-identified men who have sex with men are less likely than gay men to report using a condom during their last sexual encounter.
* Straight-identified men who have sex with men are more likely to be foreign born than gay men.
Also, a man who says he is straight but is having sex with other men is more likely to be married than a straight man who has sex with women, according to the survey. Only 54% of the men who say they're straight and have sex with women are married, compared with the 70% marriage rate among the men who say they're straight but have sex with men.
Pathela and colleagues note that because they report fewer STDs and fewer sex partners than gay men, straight-identified men who have sex with men may think they are at lower risk of HIV and STDs. This isn't necessarily so.
The men with whom these straight-identified men have sex may themselves have multiple sex partners and elevated STD and HIV risk. The low rate of condom use makes the straight-identified men vulnerable.
"Prevention messages should focus on the activities that pose risk -- for example, unprotected receptive anal sex -- and should not be framed to appeal solely to gay-identified men," Pathela and colleagues suggest.
The findings appear in the Sept. 19 issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine.
SOURCES: Pathela, P. Annals of Internal Medicine, Sept. 19, 2006; vol 145: pp 416-425.
Maybe I'm missing something, but how can someone identify themselves as purely heterosexual when they regularly engage in homosexual activity?
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Fuzzy wrote:Maybe I'm missing something, but how can someone identify themselves as purely heterosexual when they regularly engage in homosexual activity?
They dont know what being Bi means?
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So it's basically an example of people being too stupid to classify themselves then?
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Fuzzy wrote:Maybe I'm missing something, but how can someone identify themselves as purely heterosexual when they regularly engage in homosexual activity?
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Needless to say, there's an identiy problem with men and homosexuality in modern Western culture. They're Bi/Homosexuals who just don't want to say they're "gay" on a survey.
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I suppse that is understandable, but if someone is being surveyed and is reluctant to claim themselves as being gay, why would they then admit that they've had, or regularly engage in, homosexual activity?
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Fuzzy wrote:I suppse that is understandable, but if someone is being surveyed and is reluctant to claim themselves as being gay, why would they then admit that they've had, or regularly engage in, homosexual activity?
Because if you engage in homosexual sex but say you are straight, you are obviously not gay.
Duh.
It's like asking where the water for the flood came from. Honestly, just save some time and talk to someone else.
The survey doesn't make any sense. You have a survey where self-identified straight guys also admit to being homosexual. Unless a good chunk of the responders are truly delusional not to understand the outright contradiction between the two responses or the researchers were good enough to be able to give out two different surveys to the same sample group and correlate the results (tracking codes on innocuous survey one are matched to the survey two questions asking about sexual habits), I'd have to question the results.
Yeah, the survey seems to be useless for everything except determining that people don't know how to answer a survey.
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I didn't even notice there was a google ad at the bottom, but now I'm getting the same things... Hurray for google word association?
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"To reduce the burden of sexually transmitted diseases and HIV infection among men who have sex with men, it is of utmost importance for [health care] providers to take a sexual history that ascertains the sex of a partner," Pathela and colleagues report. "Asking about a patient's sexual identity will not adequately assess his risk."
Bolding mine. I've heard of this; the idea is that if you already have it, it's safe to have sex with someone else with the disease, since you can't make things worse. OTOH, I've heard that the medical community is worried that the practice will breed new, more dangerous strains of such diseases.
There's been a rash of admissions amongst gay and bisexual members of the Hip-Hop community in the past few years where they say things on the order of "I'm not gay; I may have sex with men, but I have relationships with women".
If self-delusion of that magnitude could only be harnessed as an energy source...
The survey doesn't make any sense. You have a survey where self-identified straight guys also admit to being homosexual.
No, they don't. The survey is measuring the percentage of men who self-identify as heterosexual have regular same-sex encounters. They're not admitting to anything, in their minds. If you asked them "Doesn't having sex with men make you gay?" they'd have some half-baked reason (like the one Frank Hipper listed in the post before mine) why they're actually straight.
Unless a good chunk of the responders are truly delusional not to understand the outright contradiction between the two responses
That is exactly what's happening. Being gay or even bisexual is heavily stigmatized, so they invent some rationalization for their homosexual desires and call themselves straight. It's not any kind of big mystery what's going on.
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Could it be that these "straight" men don't identify themselves as being gay because they doing it just for the sex and not because they love their male partners?
Ravencrow wrote:Could it be that these "straight" men don't identify themselves as being gay because they doing it just for the sex and not because they love their male partners?
Maybe that's how they rationalize it, but it wouldn't make you straight. It's not like you can't have sex with a woman without being in love, after all.
Ravencrow wrote:Could it be that these "straight" men don't identify themselves as being gay because they doing it just for the sex and not because they love their male partners?
Maybe that's how they rationalize it, but it wouldn't make you straight. It's not like you can't have sex with a woman without being in love, after all.
To be honest, I find this study incredibly hard to believe. 10% of all married men are cheating on their wives with men? I'd be curious if it turns out that these people were playing fast and loose with their methodology. Hugely exaggerated statistics for homosexuality have been produced before.
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Keep in mind that, just as some people don't view oral sex as "sexual intercourse", certain other sexual practices aren't seen as "gay" even when - to most of us - they are.
As an example, there are men who feel that it's being the receptive partner in anal sex that makes a person gay - if they're the penetrating partner that's still manly enough to make him "straight" and a "real man", even if he's fucking a male ass. That could skew some statistics right there.
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* Straight-identified men who have sex with men are more likely to be foreign born than gay men.
And there you have the answer. If they come from a culture that stigmatizes homosexuality (and if you think that the US is bad, you have seen NOTHING) they will of course identify themselves as straight to a stranger.
Man, I'm sick pf all this gay, straight, bi nonsense. I want everyone to just say "I am sexual, I have sex." Who gives a fuck who it is with.
I'm sure a blowjob from a guy would feel just as good as one from a girl, I mean he would have to shave first, sure. And anal sex... YOU ARE PUTTING YOUR PENIS WHERE THE SHIT COMES FROM. Does it really matter if it is guy shit or girl shit?
And as for taking it? Who hasn't accidentally stuck thier finger through the TP and into the hole? It can't be much worse than that. Geez
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And as for taking it? Who hasn't accidentally stuck thier finger through the TP and into the hole? It can't be much worse than that. Geez
I would be one of those people. Maybe some "surface action", but no finger penetration.
havokeff wrote:And as for taking it? Who hasn't accidentally stuck thier finger through the TP and into the hole? It can't be much worse than that. Geez :roll:
Wasn't there a scale by Dr Kinsey that showed that no one was totally 100% straight or 100% gay?
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