Scimitar vs Borg Cube

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » 2002-12-15 11:40am

Which would win in a 1-on-1 space battle?

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2002-12-15 12:28pm

Scimitar, if it could just pound the shit out of the Cube while cloaked and apparently undetectable.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-15 12:29pm

Alferd Packer wrote:Scimitar, if it could just pound the shit out of the Cube while cloaked and apparently undetectable.

The Borg ship has enough weapons to find the Romulan ship with ease. We already know that the Borg have assimilated romulans in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if the Borg could even detect the Scimitar.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-15 12:33pm

The Borg would rip the Scimitar a new one. Three ships took it's shields to 70%. How many ships can a Borg Cube mulch through and not even blink?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-15 12:56pm

Who's got better technobabble?

...since apparently Voyager can munch those things left and right.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-15 02:43pm

The Scimitar would win if it had time to charge and use its main weapon. If it did not have time for that (ie. If it actually had to spend seven minutes in the combat zone with the Borg) it would lose badly. Remember that a cube can take on literally scores of UFP starships and expect to come away with a relatively easy victory. The Scimitar, while much more powerful than anything in Star Fleet, is not the orders of magnitude more powerful that it would have to be to actually stand a chance against the Borg.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2002-12-18 01:00pm

Master of Ossus wrote:The Scimitar would win if it had time to charge and use its main weapon. If it did not have time for that (ie. If it actually had to spend seven minutes in the combat zone with the Borg) it would lose badly. Remember that a cube can take on literally scores of UFP starships and expect to come away with a relatively easy victory. The Scimitar, while much more powerful than anything in Star Fleet, is not the orders of magnitude more powerful that it would have to be to actually stand a chance against the Borg.

do we know if seven minutes is the normal charge time, or did it take seven minutes because the ship was crippled from it's collision with the enterprise?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-18 01:34pm

Then again, since it is just one ship, it would probably be focusing its fire on one spot, unlike the unco-ordinated fleet actions of a woefully incompetent Starfleet. And we've seen that the E-E can take a few shots from a cube without damage, so it's got some time to pound away.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-18 01:40pm

Darth Wong wrote:Then again, since it is just one ship, it would probably be focusing its fire on one spot, unlike the unco-ordinated fleet actions of a woefully incompetent Starfleet. And we've seen that the E-E can take a few shots from a cube without damage, so it's got some time to pound away.

The E-E survived a couple of shots. Then again, the Borg ship can also concentrate its fire. The Borg ship has 6 sides and it can bring three of them to bear on the Scimitar. I do not know if the Scimitar has the same advantage of fire arcs as the Cube.

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2002-12-18 04:48pm

What is this NONSENSE! I can't believe that no one here has enough knowledge to know the proper and only correct answer.

THE BORG ARE IMMUNE TO EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THE CAN ADAPT TO ANYTHING*!

*exception being the thompson submachine gun model M1928, for which they have no defense against.

I saw not a one M1928 Thompson machine gun in the entire movie, and have to conclude that the only people in the Galaxy that could have defeated the Borg are Al Capone and his Chicago Gang.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-18 04:53pm

Steven Snyder wrote:What is this NONSENSE! I can't believe that no one here has enough knowledge to know the proper and only correct answer.

THE BORG ARE IMMUNE TO EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THE CAN ADAPT TO ANYTHING*!

*exception being the thompson submachine gun model M1928, for which they have no defense against.

I saw not a one M1928 Thompson machine gun in the entire movie, and have to conclude that the only people in the Galaxy that could have defeated the Borg are Al Capone and his Chicago Gang.

Borg have been hit by photon torpedoes repeatedly throughout ST history, and in First Contact photorps clearly did damage to the cube.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-18 05:00pm

Hammer, get rid of that fucking 400kb animated gif in your sig.

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2002-12-18 05:13pm

Shinova wrote:
Steven Snyder wrote:What is this NONSENSE! I can't believe that no one here has enough knowledge to know the proper and only correct answer.

THE BORG ARE IMMUNE TO EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THE CAN ADAPT TO ANYTHING*!

*exception being the thompson submachine gun model M1928, for which they have no defense against.

I saw not a one M1928 Thompson machine gun in the entire movie, and have to conclude that the only people in the Galaxy that could have defeated the Borg are Al Capone and his Chicago Gang.
Borg have been hit by photon torpedoes repeatedly throughout ST history, and in First Contact photorps clearly did damage to the cube.

No, I am sorry. The only weapon effective against the Borg is the Thomspon M1928 submachine gun. If you watch the movie closely you will see a crew member firing the abovementioned weapon out an airlock at the borg vessel...oddly enough the crew member is wearing a Stormtrooper uniform. The .45 caliber bullets were the primary cause of damage to the borg ship, the photon torpedoes were only serving as a distraction.

This is why captain Picard chose that particular holodeck program when the borg was chasing him in the ship. He knew the exact time perioud to get the weapon and chose it with care.

I have a theory that the crewmember who was wearing Stormtrooper armor and firing out the airlock was none other than Shinzon.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-18 05:15pm

If you're trying to be funny, you might want to try doing a better job...

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2002-12-18 05:18pm

Sorry, I forgot to include Sarcasm tags.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2002-12-19 11:04pm

The Borg would rip Shinzon a new one.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-20 12:05am

Why?

...given that apparently the Borg can ripped apart by concentrated firepower and so far Shizon's wankfest ship seems more powerful by stats alone than a good portion of what was shown in either First Contact or BoBW.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-20 12:09am

Ghost Rider wrote:Why?

...given that apparently the Borg can ripped apart by concentrated firepower and so far Shizon's wankfest ship seems more powerful by stats alone than a good portion of what was shown in either First Contact or BoBW.

Concetrated firepower after having fought Federation ships for more then 3 hours and having destroyed a great many of those ships AND after having taken moderate damage on the outer hull.

The Cube would rip the Scimitar to pieces.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2002-12-20 02:58am

Not only that but (I think someone mentioned this before) the Borg should be more than familiar with Romulan technology. The Scimitar can't be drastically different. I think the Borg would manage to adapt.

Maybe if the Romulans used a fleet of Scimitars the Borg cube would lose, but I think that a cube could take one of them.

Admiral Griffith · Post by **Admiral Griffith** » 2002-12-23 10:33am

Yogi wrote:The Borg would rip the Scimitar a new one. Three ships took it's shields to 70%. How many ships can a Borg Cube mulch through and not even blink?

The only reason the borg are capable of this is because they are suicidal zombies with less intelligence than my cat (STFC the cube was almost destroyed but it kept on going WITH THE SHIELDS HAVING NEVER BEEN ACTIVATED!)

Shrykull · Post by **Shrykull** » 2002-12-24 12:44am

Which would win in a 1-on-1 space battle?

I'm not sure, I don't really understand Borg cubes, why is it that the E-D pushed all it's energy at a borg cube through the main deflector dish in best of both and it took a fleet's worth of pounding at Wolf 359 without a scratch, but some photon and quantum torpedo's destroyed one in first contact? I mean shouldn't the main deflector been a lot more energy then a quantum torpedo?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-24 12:55am

That's what they said, but in "Night Terrors", we found out that the vaunted deflector-dish beam is less powerful than a chemical hydrogen explosion.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-12-24 02:22pm

Unfortunately the borg are unable (for some reason) to fire more than one weapon at once. Watch every episode and FC. They have to TURN THE OTHER WEAPON OFF BEFORE FIRING ANOTHER. WTF? The most they can possibly fire at the Schimiter is one.

Assuming the scimiter is one hundred KM away, it will take them practically forever to find it. During that time the Uber wank ship has charged up, decloaked (if it needs to) and killed everying organic on the ship. From FC the borg are unable to survive without their organic components. From BoBW the ship is unable to do anything without the drones.