18-Till-I-Die wrote:Cold someone can tell me what, excatly, this story is supposed to be about...? I'm fairly curious as to what could tie together all these myriad plot points, AND still include an old-ass Boba Fett.
It just seems these plots and subplots seem almost random (probably they are). Or is this some kind of anthology book?
It's book two of a nine book series. Here's the essential summary from the dust jacket of Book 1, Betrayal:
Betrayal is in the era of Luke Skywalker's legacy, where the Jedi Master has unified the order into a cohesive group of powerful Jedi Knights. But as the new era begins, planetary interests threaten to disrupt the peace. Luke is plagued with visions of an approaching darkness. In the book evil is rising again and out of the best intentions, it looks as if the legacy of the Skywalkers may come full circle. Honor and duty will collide with friendship and blood ties as the Skywalker and Solo clans find themselves on opposing sides of an explosive conflict with potentially devastating repercussions for both families, for the Jedi Order and for the entire Galaxy.
Or, the S.D.Net's Cliifnotes version would be that LFL is so desperate for plots that they're essentially re-treading on previous material, from the Clone Wars (sans clones) to the fall of a Skywalker's fall (though at least it finally answered what happened to Lumiya. Now, if only the same could be said of Callista... )
000 wrote:Out of curiosity, Fingolfin, what did you post in the one you were banned for?
I told Charlemagne to go read up on economics and how governments work and stop creating his own reality. I'm not sure how that is classified as a personal attack.
I was miffed that he "felt burnt" that the Empire should regard the expenditure on the Death Star was insignificant.
Obviously, someone was looking for a reason to ban me, courtesy of d4pm too.
Honestly, i was very tempted these days to bait the mods, especially Ender_Sai, whose art of double speak has reached new heights.
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I told Charlemagne to go read up on economics and how governments work and stop creating his own reality. I'm not sure how that is classified as a personal attack.
You're just this side of saying he is an uneducated idiot.
Obviously, someone was looking for a reason to ban me, courtesy of d4pm too.
d4pm is always looking for an excuse to ban someone. Its the only sexual satisfaction he ever gets.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I told Charlemagne to go read up on economics and how governments work and stop creating his own reality. I'm not sure how that is classified as a personal attack.
You're just this side of saying he is an uneducated idiot.
*shrug* Charlemagne was getting rather desperate in finding some loose straw to refute the so called "Maximalists". Saying the things in the galaxy ought to be kept small all in the favour of not diminishing the deeds of his "heros"...
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I told Charlemagne to go read up on economics and how governments work and stop creating his own reality. I'm not sure how that is classified as a personal attack.
You're just this side of saying he is an uneducated idiot.
Finally someone implied it!
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:*shrug* Charlemagne was getting rather desperate in finding some loose straw to refute the so called "Maximalists". Saying the things in the galaxy ought to be kept small all in the favour of not diminishing the deeds of his "heros"...
Which proves that he IS an uneducated idiot as you implied. Still, those turds will you any excuse to ban the opposition. The one time I signed up on TFN, I was involved in a discussion about the Executor's length. D4pm immediately flamed me for arguing the correct length with the usual "you can't measure things in sci-fi" crap and said I was stupid for trying. When I returned the favor, I was immediately baned.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:*shrug* Charlemagne was getting rather desperate in finding some loose straw to refute the so called "Maximalists". Saying the things in the galaxy ought to be kept small all in the favour of not diminishing the deeds of his "heros"...
I don't know how these guys' minds work. Think about it: the galaxy has millions of inhabited planets, countless starships and people, and a small group of heroes were STILL significant enough to change the course of galactic history. Isn't that grander and more epic than the idea of the good guys doing the same thing in a SMALLER setting?
"They're not triangular, but they are more or less blade-shaped"- Thrawn McEwok on the shape of Bakura destroyers
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"I've already laid out rules for this thread that we're not going to make these evidential demands"- Dark Moose on supporting your claims
I have no clue. That said, I don't care. Idiots love to live in fairy land. Let them go live in it.
The atmosphere at TF.N got very grim the moment they started wielding the ban hammer blatantly during the Traviss affair and thinking that banning people will have any effect on someone's pride. As it is, it has no effect, and I was personally itching to fire off some insult at a few of the moderators for their totally biased threats hurled around and then pretend to be high and holy as if this aura of power was granted by the sainthood of the moderators.
I just love how these minimalist retards "invented" a swearword for people who think a galactic civilization should function on a galactic scale. "OMG we're not minimalists, you're MAXIMALISTS!!!111" Even better is the "I can't think of big number, therefore big number do not exist" argument. Priceless.
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:*shrug* Charlemagne was getting rather desperate in finding some loose straw to refute the so called "Maximalists". Saying the things in the galaxy ought to be kept small all in the favour of not diminishing the deeds of his "heros"...
I don't know how these guys' minds work. Think about it: the galaxy has millions of inhabited planets, countless starships and people, and a small group of heroes were STILL significant enough to change the course of galactic history. Isn't that grander and more epic than the idea of the good guys doing the same thing in a SMALLER setting?
By that logic, World War II should be renamed to Minor Skirmish With Germany Part Deux so as not to diminish the heroism of the people who fought in it.
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This is slightly off-topic, but since it has been claimed that there's only "6 to 10" people who have complained about what was claimed in the GAR article and Odds, I thought it was time to sample a few pages here, the OS and at TFN to see how many people who have protested. My sampling (about 50 % of the pages) of the GAR article and Odds threads turned up 45 persons (including some who defended the number but still felt it was too low) who protested against or otherwise expressed that the numbers are too low. The number of people who have actively defended the numbers appears to be significantly lower.
Mange wrote:This is slightly off-topic, but since it has been claimed that there's only "6 to 10" people who have complained about what was claimed in the GAR article and Odds, I thought it was time to sample a few pages here, the OS and at TFN to see how many people who have protested. My sampling (about 50 % of the pages) of the GAR article and Odds threads turned up 45 persons (including some who defended the number but still felt it was too low) who protested against or otherwise expressed that the numbers are too low. The number of people who have actively defended the numbers appears to be significantly lower.
45, eh? Guess I'll have to rent out a hall for all the Talifans!
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45, eh? Guess I'll have to rent out a hall for all the Talifans!
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Mange wrote:This is slightly off-topic, but since it has been claimed that there's only "6 to 10" people who have complained about what was claimed in the GAR article and Odds, I thought it was time to sample a few pages here, the OS and at TFN to see how many people who have protested. My sampling (about 50 % of the pages) of the GAR article and Odds threads turned up 45 persons (including some who defended the number but still felt it was too low) who protested against or otherwise expressed that the numbers are too low. The number of people who have actively defended the numbers appears to be significantly lower.
45, eh? Guess I'll have to rent out a hall for all the Talifans!
I stopped when I reached fifty. Also, as Lord Poe pointed out earlier, it's interesting to see all the people who didn't approve of the characterizations (and other continuity gaffes) in the latest novel (and it seems as if the vast majority weren't involved in the CW-related discussions).
EDIT: I can't pass judgment on something that I haven't read of course, but I think that I'll make an exception for the novels in this series and buy them eventually.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I think Traviss is a closet communist, and the TF.N and other boards are her KGB units.
Wasn't the KGB actually halfway intelligent?
Well, figuratively.
Maybe the more apt term is the Soviet censors. Remember attending a class on Faust and the professor was pointing out the silly things that the censors did to hide things they thought was against the state but often in a cumbersome way that things got messed up.
I read her book, considering that I needed to so that I could understand what happens later. Honestly, I thought the parts with Jacen Solo and Ben Skywalker weren't so bad. I completely skipped the Boba Fet parts cause they are stupid and pointless, the Han/Leia parts were skimmed over as well. Anything involving Jacen, like I said, was read. This is probably cause I am one of those few who seem to actually think Sith Jacen is awesome and that the possibilities of future Imperialness on his part rocks.
I am still sickened by her writing and wish that she didn't have any Star Wars stories, but considering that is not possible some of her non-Boba parts were actually entertaining.
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I have been an avid EU follower forever and Jacen Solo has been my favorite character since I read the Young Jedi Knights books in grade school (Yeah, I read 'em. I was a dumb kid that bought anything with the name Star Wars on it). I don't think I had fully recovered from the Killik-Chiss bullshit and now... Now I feel like Karen Traviss is bastardizing everything everyone that came before her has done. After Bloodlines I thought "Man, Bring back KJA. Even he was a better read." Seriously.
I got banned from TFN for comparing the admins to fascists and pasting a picture of fasces in a post. Not that I wasn't expecting not to get banned for a stunt like that or anything.
ES: How much research was necessary before you began to write?
AA: A lot. I wish I'd had time to do more. I read every Star Wars technical manual I could get my hands on, plus Stackpole's novels, Zahn's novels, other novels in which Wedge Antilles and Rogue Squadron make appearances, comic books, and several of West End's Star Wars game supplements. I watched the movie trilogy repeatedly. I played the X-Wing computer game. I bought eight of the Action Fleet toys and used them for measurements and estimations of their performance in atmosphere. I read books on aircraft carrier life and pilot survival.
And all that I consider a bare minimum of necessary research -- it was all the research I had time to do as my deadline came bounding toward me. I'll do an equal amount before I'm done with the second book, and even more before the third book is done.
Fortunately, I like to do research.
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I've had a few days to think about the book, the plot not the writting. I think they are setting up a major swerve. IMHO Lumiya isn't after Jacen. Jacen is an arrogant little turd full of his own self importance and for him to be Anakin the second is way too obvious. My opinion Lumiya is after Ben. Her plan is to make Jacen dark certainly, but only as a lever. Jacen turns Luke kills him and loses his only son. The ultimate revenge.
Now would someone post a copy of that to show to Ender Sai who keeps saying and defending WEG stats by saying that it is meant for gamers only? I can't care less to get back to the JC forums anymore.
ES: How much research was necessary before you began to write?
AA: A lot. I wish I'd had time to do more. I read every Star Wars technical manual I could get my hands on, plus Stackpole's novels, Zahn's novels, other novels in which Wedge Antilles and Rogue Squadron make appearances, comic books, and several of West End's Star Wars game supplements. I watched the movie trilogy repeatedly. I played the X-Wing computer game. I bought eight of the Action Fleet toys and used them for measurements and estimations of their performance in atmosphere. I read books on aircraft carrier life and pilot survival.
And all that I consider a bare minimum of necessary research -- it was all the research I had time to do as my deadline came bounding toward me. I'll do an equal amount before I'm done with the second book, and even more before the third book is done.
Fortunately, I like to do research.
Yes, that's quite a different attitude (especially what he considers as bare minimum of necessary research) compared to Karen "Holocron" Traviss.
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