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Yes it is. By smiting it down with a thunder bolt and sending them to hell!General_Soontir_Fel wrote:This wouldn't be the god whose chosen people were defeated because the enemies had chariots of iron, would it?fusion wrote:I was debated a trekie and she said that that earth will win because god is on their side!
The problem is that even the very educated is dumb down by commericals and stupid shows
Wonder how he'd deal with AT-ATs...
Feh. Alex6200@gmail.com isn't even sutiable for light bagwork.Darth Wong wrote:Enjoy dismembering it for target practice, folks.
A gmail account? Those can take a lot of punishment and have very good spam filters. Good luck...Patrick Degan wrote:Feh. Alex6200@gmail.com isn't even sutiable for light bagwork.Darth Wong wrote:Enjoy dismembering it for target practice, folks.
Kloog shall administer correction.
Aww, thanks girlfriend (a little nickname Kosh made up just for us).Darth Servo wrote:Mario, if he replies to the email I sent, I'll be sure to post it here just for you.
That never ceases to be amusing.
As for the Death Star not hitting rebel fighters; those guns were designed to hit CAP SHIPS, not fighters; or did you sleep through
the breifing right before the battle?
George Lucas wrote:GENERAL DODONNA:...It's defenses are designed around a direct large-scale assault. A small one-man fighter should be able to penetrate the outer defense...the Empire doesn't consider a small one-man fighter to be any threat, or they'd have a tighter defense.
If it hasn't been mentioned in the other thread already, I think Phase Cloaks should be a new addition to the main site.As for your tactics, WHAT phase cloak? The Romulans
would have insisted that the only working prototype
was destroyed after Picard revealed it to them.
Does this tard really think Hyperdrive = c? Never mind the fact that ROTS shows FTL travel from the Galactic Core to the Outer Rim in the span of a few hours.HOW would the Feds damage Imperial supply lines? Hyperdrive is so fast that the Imperials don't NEED supply lines. And even if they did, Fed ships would never CATCH the supply convoy due to the vastly superior speed of hyperdrive.
Pretty much my thoughts when I saw the new thread. There's still hope, though. I'm holding out for the moment when this goon shows up and makes some glorious last stand on the opposition's home turf.EnterpriseSovereign wrote:Hot damn, I don't visit the site for a day and cannon fodder like this appears. I suppose it's too late to rip apart that dumbfuck's email since it's been done already.
I did. See page 1 of this thread.OmegaGuy wrote:Someone should email him with the Trekmiss video.
Can you say "evade the point like a vampire avoids the sun"? Have fun with his latest load of BS.Thank you for your reply, and I appreciate your provokative comments on my scenario.
Although in Star Wars we occasionally see primative target systems, they seem to not be in wide use. For example, in AOTC, when the Jedi are under attack from the Trade Federation, and are encircled, a single shot from space could have easily wiped out the Jedi (and with less losses than simply swarming them). However, despire Trade Federation air superiority, this never occured. The Federation, however, has demonstrated this orbital-precision attack in the episode "A piece of the action", where the Enterprise fires a highly precise stun-shot at two cars, having the precision to hit a small group of men, at a highly controlled blast radius.
Even though those turrets were designed to hit Imperial ships, there was no reason for them to be aimed by human gunning crews. Even if you're not trying to hit a tiny fighter, precision is still rather important, as you may want to target a specific part of a ship.
As for your claims that Federation ships never miss, you have to acknowledge that your video focuses predominately on Klingon ships missing the target, and although one scene shows that a Defiant class ship may have missed (its a little unclear), we never really see Federation ships missing. We see other ships failing to hit Federation ships. In fact, the Federation ships that are missed fired with almost 100% accuracy if you watch the video closely. In fact there is only one occasion where we can clearly see a defiant failing to hit a ship. Although there are situations where both ships are at relatively long distance and both are in motion, that the ships miss, but this is by far the exception and not the rule.
Also, you claim that Federation ships are poorly engineered because 1 shot can destroy multiple systems, but have you heard of something called the Death Star? One shot to a hole on the outside of the station destroys the entire station! Also, the fact that Federation ships have weak points rivaling those of the Imperial stations is marginalized by the fact that Imperial ships have to get extremely close to the ship with small fighters to actually hit a ship's weak points (as seen in a New Hope, where the rebels admitted in the briefing that the idea of firing a missle down the ventilation shaft was near impossible and required human skill). The Enterprise-E would have no challenge scanning the Death Star and then firing a single shot down the ventilation shaft (this precision was seen in "A Piece of the Action" AND "First Contact". It required no previous planning and the aiming occured near-instantaneously).
As for the biological warfare thing, we're not really sure how genetically similar the "humans" from the Empire and the humans from the Federation are. Since Star Wars humans have The Force and other biological distinctions, I'd imagine they'd have diffrent DNA, and have a somewhat diffrent pathology.
The reason I believe that Section 31 would be able to create viruses to harm the Imperial soldiers (should they indeed have a diffrent genetic structure) is that they've done it numerous times in the past. They did it to the Dominion. They created nano-probes to kill Species 8472 in a very shot period of time.
Although nano-probes are traditionally delivered into the bloodstream, they can also be delivered en masse onto a ship via photon torpedo or phaser beam. (Voyager: Scorpion, Scorpion Part II).
So given the presence of metaclorines in the bllod stream of all Star Wars aliens, we can conclude that there must be some significant DNA diffrences (since no such thing has ever been found in any Star Trek race). In "The Scorpion" we saw nano-probes designed to only attack organisms with a certain DNA sequence.
As for The Empire building an anecdote, I find it highly unlikely since the Empire has never faced an attack from nano-probes (and probably is starting from scratch in terms of understanding the technology and being able to fight it). Secondly, its difficult to imagine how the Imperial ships would actually be able to capture nano-probes and return them to the Empire considering how lethal they are. The best way to do it would be to take a member of the crew who is immune to the nanobots (due to being of a diffrent species/being a droid). However, immediately following any nanobot transfer, it would seem pragmatic for the Federation to transport bombs onto the enemy ship to prevent recovery).
I realise the the Imperial ships have shields (its hard to know if they do block Federation transporters), but they seem to require a few shots to a few exposed shield generators to be taken offline(as seen in the space battle at the end of "Return of the Jedi"). Couldn't the Enterprise briefly uncloak, take down the shield generators with two perfectly placed and caclulated shots (since they would have ample time to analyse the ship's systems) to take down the shields, and then transport a bomb aboard the ship? Because they could fire all their missles at the moment of decloaking, they could start transporting bombs onto the enemy ship and/or firing nanoprobes using phasers onto the ship within 10-20 seconds (fire-activate transporter-recloak).
Federation sensors have shown numerous times their ability to scan a ship (even if it has shields up) and find the precise location of a specific person or a specific object on a ship. However, in a New Hope, rebels had to send spies to acquire useful data about the Death Stars interior engineering (such as the ventillation shaft). The Enterprise could have simply scanned at long distance while cloaked and found out about the ship's weapon systems. (There are quite a few examples of this in Star Trek. One good example is in "Q Who?", where the Enterprise is able to scan a planet and determine how many life signs there were, and what species they were).
So its not exactly out of the picture that a small Federation ship could go up to an Imperial ship, uncloak, and transport a small bomb onto the lap of an important general (or even onto a key location such as the bridge).
Although the Federation may have no phasic cloak devices at the moment, its important to note that they've already built the advice, and have scientists and engineers around who worked directly on the project. Secondly, many of the comments made regarding to phasic cloak still apply for regular cloak, although to a lesser degree.
As for the Federation building up a resistance, you have to consider a few things:
1. The sheer vastness of space
2. The Potential number of locations to get dilithium
3. The low chance of randomly stumbling onto the cloaked federation bases.
Now, as for building the fleets, we have to remember that the Federation replicators can produce a wide-variety of the materials needed to produce/repair a starship. The fundamental material needed is dilithium, which can be found on many diffrent dilithium moons. Although it would be an effective strategy for the Empire to try to secure dilithium moons, the chances of being able to find a large number of them (considering the number of potential locations) is utterly preposterous.
Also, the Federation wouldn't have to be able to build "Entire fleets". Remember that the primary role of Federation ships would be to deliver nano-bots via phaser fire, or transport bombs aboard. Most existing Federation ships could be rather quickly modified to meet these ends, and thusly the bulk of the Federation bases's efforts would be focused on resupplying and reinforcing existing Federation forces.
The claim that "You can't just hide a base" is unsupported by Star Wars cannon. In the Empire Strikes Back, the Empire actually had to send tiny probes onto the surface of Hoth visually identify the base.
Had the Federation built a base on the planet, it would not have been detectable by a probe that simply takes in light (due to cloak).
However the Federation base could have easily detected the Imperial probe (because in episodes such as "Q Who?" the Federation is able to detect the state of a planet's civilisation and also the types of organisms on the planet before they even enter the solar system). Wouldn't the Federation be able to easily detect the probe comming and capture it, or give it false data (the later of which is considerably more fun).
Although I believe the Empire would win early victories, I believe that clear Federation advantages in short term transportation, precision and accuracy of weapons, and advanced nano-probes would shift the war in favor of the Federation.
Of course! The video has Klingon ships! Therefore it focuses on Klingon ships and they're the ones that miss! Let's just ignore all those Federation ships missing as well, shall we?moron wrote:As for your claims that Federation ships never miss, you have to acknowledge that your video focuses predominately on Klingon ships missing the target, and although one scene shows that a Defiant class ship may have missed (its a little unclear), we never really see Federation ships missing. We see other ships failing to hit Federation ships. In fact, the Federation ships that are missed fired with almost 100% accuracy if you watch the video closely. In fact there is only one occasion where we can clearly see a defiant failing to hit a ship. Although there are situations where both ships are at relatively long distance and both are in motion, that the ships miss, but this is by far the exception and not the rule.
Apparently, like Ron White, he too doesn't know the difference between an anecdote and an antidote.Darth Servo wrote:As for The Empire building an anecdote, I find it highly unlikely since the Empire has never faced an attack from nano-probes (and probably is starting from scratch in terms of understanding the technology and being able to fight it).
He can write walls of text, but can't use a spell checker?Thank you for your reply, and I appreciate your provokative comments on my scenario.
Although in Star Wars we occasionally see primative target systems, they seem to not be in wide use. For example, in AOTC, when the Jedi are under attack from the Trade Federation, and are encircled, a single shot from space could have easily wiped out the Jedi (and with less losses than simply swarming them). However, despire Trade Federation air superiority, this never occured. The Federation, however, has demonstrated this orbital-precision attack in the episode "A piece of the action", where the Enterprise fires a highly precise stun-shot at two cars, having the precision to hit a small group of men, at a highly controlled blast radius.
Even though those turrets were designed to hit Imperial ships, there was no reason for them to be aimed by human gunning crews. Even if you're not trying to hit a tiny fighter, precision is still rather important, as you may want to target a specific part of a ship.
As for your claims that Federation ships never miss, you have to acknowledge that your video focuses predominately on Klingon ships missing the target, and although one scene shows that a Defiant class ship may have missed (its a little unclear), we never really see Federation ships missing. We see other ships failing to hit Federation ships. In fact, the Federation ships that are missed fired with almost 100% accuracy if you watch the video closely. In fact there is only one occasion where we can clearly see a defiant failing to hit a ship. Although there are situations where both ships are at relatively long distance and both are in motion, that the ships miss, but this is by far the exception and not the rule.
Also, you claim that Federation ships are poorly engineered because 1 shot can destroy multiple systems, but have you heard of something called the Death Star? One shot to a hole on the outside of the station destroys the entire station! Also, the fact that Federation ships have weak points rivaling those of the Imperial stations is marginalized by the fact that Imperial ships have to get extremely close to the ship with small fighters to actually hit a ship's weak points (as seen in a New Hope, where the rebels admitted in the briefing that the idea of firing a missle down the ventilation shaft was near impossible and required human skill). The Enterprise-E would have no challenge scanning the Death Star and then firing a single shot down the ventilation shaft (this precision was seen in "A Piece of the Action" AND "First Contact". It required no previous planning and the aiming occured near-instantaneously).
As for the biological warfare thing, we're not really sure how genetically similar the "humans" from the Empire and the humans from the Federation are. Since Star Wars humans have The Force and other biological distinctions, I'd imagine they'd have diffrent DNA, and have a somewhat diffrent pathology.
The reason I believe that Section 31 would be able to create viruses to harm the Imperial soldiers (should they indeed have a diffrent genetic structure) is that they've done it numerous times in the past. They did it to the Dominion. They created nano-probes to kill Species 8472 in a very shot period of time.
Although nano-probes are traditionally delivered into the bloodstream, they can also be delivered en masse onto a ship via photon torpedo or phaser beam. (Voyager: Scorpion, Scorpion Part II).
So given the presence of metaclorines in the bllod stream of all Star Wars aliens, we can conclude that there must be some significant DNA diffrences (since no such thing has ever been found in any Star Trek race). In "The Scorpion" we saw nano-probes designed to only attack organisms with a certain DNA sequence.
As for The Empire building an anecdote, I find it highly unlikely since the Empire has never faced an attack from nano-probes (and probably is starting from scratch in terms of understanding the technology and being able to fight it). Secondly, its difficult to imagine how the Imperial ships would actually be able to capture nano-probes and return them to the Empire considering how lethal they are. The best way to do it would be to take a member of the crew who is immune to the nanobots (due to being of a diffrent species/being a droid). However, immediately following any nanobot transfer, it would seem pragmatic for the Federation to transport bombs onto the enemy ship to prevent recovery).
I realise the the Imperial ships have shields (its hard to know if they do block Federation transporters), but they seem to require a few shots to a few exposed shield generators to be taken offline(as seen in the space battle at the end of "Return of the Jedi"). Couldn't the Enterprise briefly uncloak, take down the shield generators with two perfectly placed and caclulated shots (since they would have ample time to analyse the ship's systems) to take down the shields, and then transport a bomb aboard the ship? Because they could fire all their missles at the moment of decloaking, they could start transporting bombs onto the enemy ship and/or firing nanoprobes using phasers onto the ship within 10-20 seconds (fire-activate transporter-recloak).
Federation sensors have shown numerous times their ability to scan a ship (even if it has shields up) and find the precise location of a specific person or a specific object on a ship. However, in a New Hope, rebels had to send spies to acquire useful data about the Death Stars interior engineering (such as the ventillation shaft). The Enterprise could have simply scanned at long distance while cloaked and found out about the ship's weapon systems. (There are quite a few examples of this in Star Trek. One good example is in "Q Who?", where the Enterprise is able to scan a planet and determine how many life signs there were, and what species they were).
So its not exactly out of the picture that a small Federation ship could go up to an Imperial ship, uncloak, and transport a small bomb onto the lap of an important general (or even onto a key location such as the bridge).
Although the Federation may have no phasic cloak devices at the moment, its important to note that they've already built the advice, and have scientists and engineers around who worked directly on the project. Secondly, many of the comments made regarding to phasic cloak still apply for regular cloak, although to a lesser degree.
As for the Federation building up a resistance, you have to consider a few things:
1. The sheer vastness of space
2. The Potential number of locations to get dilithium
3. The low chance of randomly stumbling onto the cloaked federation bases.
Now, as for building the fleets, we have to remember that the Federation replicators can produce a wide-variety of the materials needed to produce/repair a starship. The fundamental material needed is dilithium, which can be found on many diffrent dilithium moons. Although it would be an effective strategy for the Empire to try to secure dilithium moons, the chances of being able to find a large number of them (considering the number of potential locations) is utterly preposterous.
Also, the Federation wouldn't have to be able to build "Entire fleets". Remember that the primary role of Federation ships would be to deliver nano-bots via phaser fire, or transport bombs aboard. Most existing Federation ships could be rather quickly modified to meet these ends, and thusly the bulk of the Federation bases's efforts would be focused on resupplying and reinforcing existing Federation forces.
The claim that "You can't just hide a base" is unsupported by Star Wars cannon. In the Empire Strikes Back, the Empire actually had to send tiny probes onto the surface of Hoth visually identify the base.
Had the Federation built a base on the planet, it would not have been detectable by a probe that simply takes in light (due to cloak).
However the Federation base could have easily detected the Imperial probe (because in episodes such as "Q Who?" the Federation is able to detect the state of a planet's civilisation and also the types of organisms on the planet before they even enter the solar system). Wouldn't the Federation be able to easily detect the probe comming and capture it, or give it false data (the later of which is considerably more fun).
Although I believe the Empire would win early victories, I believe that clear Federation advantages in short term transportation, precision and accuracy of weapons, and advanced nano-probes would shift the war in favor of the Federation.
This guy thinks the Separatists should have used orbital bombardment on their own arena. And it's not like the Jedi were neatly packed together in a small group until the end of the battle, at which point they were already defeated.Although in Star Wars we occasionally see primative target systems, they seem to not be in wide use. For example, in AOTC, when the Jedi are under attack from the Trade Federation, and are encircled, a single shot from space could have easily wiped out the Jedi (and with less losses than simply swarming them). However, despire Trade Federation air superiority, this never occured.
Use of WMD on their own arena, with their own people and leaders in the vicinity. Brilliant. Just brilliant.Darth Servo wrote: Although in Star Wars we occasionally see primative target systems, they seem to not be in wide use. For example, in AOTC, when the Jedi are under attack from the Trade Federation, and are encircled, a single shot from space could have easily wiped out the Jedi (and with less losses than simply swarming them). However, despire Trade Federation air superiority, this never occured.
Precision orbital bombardments have been referenced before.The Federation, however, has demonstrated this orbital-precision attack in the episode "A piece of the action", where the Enterprise fires a highly precise stun-shot at two cars, having the precision to hit a small group of men, at a highly controlled blast radius.
Notice the continued bullshit that human gunners are somehow not precise.Even though those turrets were designed to hit Imperial ships, there was no reason for them to be aimed by human gunning crews. Even if you're not trying to hit a tiny fighter, precision is still rather important, as you may want to target a specific part of a ship.
This is an outright lie. We see multiple Federation ships miss in that video. There's also a particularly egregious miss by Voyager when chasing Equinox in the same-named episode- though not in TrekMiss.As for your claims that Federation ships never miss, you have to acknowledge that your video focuses predominately on Klingon ships missing the target, and although one scene shows that a Defiant class ship may have missed (its a little unclear), we never really see Federation ships missing.
Irrespective of your apologetics, they miss. Therefore, their accuracy is not perfect.We see other ships failing to hit Federation ships. In fact, the Federation ships that are missed fired with almost 100% accuracy if you watch the video closely. In fact there is only one occasion where we can clearly see a defiant failing to hit a ship. Although there are situations where both ships are at relatively long distance and both are in motion, that the ships miss, but this is by far the exception and not the rule.
That's because the shaft led directly to the reactor core. This is unlike Federation ships, where hits anywhere have effects on totally unrelated systems.Also, you claim that Federation ships are poorly engineered because 1 shot can destroy multiple systems, but have you heard of something called the Death Star? One shot to a hole on the outside of the station destroys the entire station!
Wedge said "that's impossible, even for a computer". He's not referring to "human skill" being superior. He also missed the whole "defences designed around a direct large scale assault, a small, one-man fighter however should be able to penetrate".Also, the fact that Federation ships have weak points rivaling those of the Imperial stations is marginalized by the fact that Imperial ships have to get extremely close to the ship with small fighters to actually hit a ship's weak points (as seen in a New Hope, where the rebels admitted in the briefing that the idea of firing a missle down the ventilation shaft was near impossible and required human skill).
Prove it.The Enterprise-E would have no challenge scanning the Death Star
More lies. The hole in the Borg cube was hundreds of metres wide, not two.and then firing a single shot down the ventilation shaft (this precision was seen in "A Piece of the Action" AND "First Contact".
Idiocy.As for the biological warfare thing, we're not really sure how genetically similar the "humans" from the Empire and the humans from the Federation are. Since Star Wars humans have The Force and other biological distinctions, I'd imagine they'd have diffrent DNA, and have a somewhat diffrent pathology.
Standard stupidity.I realise the the Imperial ships have shields (its hard to know if they do block Federation transporters), but they seem to require a few shots to a few exposed shield generators to be taken offline(as seen in the space battle at the end of "Return of the Jedi").
No, since they're not shield generators, and even if they were, they'd still be protected by the shields they themselves generateCouldn't the Enterprise briefly uncloak, take down the shield generators with two perfectly placed and caclulated shots (since they would have ample time to analyse the ship's systems) to take down the shields, and then transport a bomb aboard the ship?
Like where?Federation sensors have shown numerous times their ability to scan a ship (even if it has shields up) and find the precise location of a specific person or a specific object on a ship.
Prove it?However, in a New Hope, rebels had to send spies to acquire useful data about the Death Stars interior engineering (such as the ventillation shaft). The Enterprise could have simply scanned at long distance while cloaked and found out about the ship's weapon systems.
Because of course, scanning a planet for lifesigns is exactly the same thing as scanning a shielded battlestation for it's precise technical readouts and schematics.(There are quite a few examples of this in Star Trek. One good example is in "Q Who?", where the Enterprise is able to scan a planet and determine how many life signs there were, and what species they were).
I guess the fact that the Empire found the base eluded him.The claim that "You can't just hide a base" is unsupported by Star Wars cannon. In the Empire Strikes Back, the Empire actually had to send tiny probes onto the surface of Hoth visually identify the base.
What the fuck?Had the Federation built a base on the planet, it would not have been detectable by a probe that simply takes in light (due to cloak).
Is that before or after it sees them, alerts the fleet, and then explodes?However the Federation base could have easily detected the Imperial probe (because in episodes such as "Q Who?" the Federation is able to detect the state of a planet's civilisation and also the types of organisms on the planet before they even enter the solar system). Wouldn't the Federation be able to easily detect the probe comming and capture it, or give it false data (the later of which is considerably more fun).
As already stated, like they would fire on their own arena when they'd be killing a whole load of their own people to get the Jedi fighting among them. And at the end the Jedi were defeated when they were grouped just before they are rescued. And you think that Trade Fed ships would worry about an arena when clone army ships would be arriving, almost certainly being detected.Although in Star Wars we occasionally see primative target systems, they seem to not be in wide use. For example, in AOTC, when the Jedi are under attack from the Trade Federation, and are encircled, a single shot from space could have easily wiped out the Jedi (and with less losses than simply swarming them). However, despire Trade Federation air superiority, this never occured. The Federation, however, has demonstrated this orbital-precision attack in the episode "A piece of the action", where the Enterprise fires a highly precise stun-shot at two cars, having the precision to hit a small group of men, at a highly controlled blast radius.
And this proves... what? Human gunners aren't inaccurate since they'd have computer assistance with targeting.Even though those turrets were designed to hit Imperial ships, there was no reason for them to be aimed by human gunning crews. Even if you're not trying to hit a tiny fighter, precision is still rather important, as you may want to target a specific part of a ship.
And where did he claim that Fed ships never miss? The percentage accuracy means hit-to-miss ratio which is nowhere near 100% in the video.As for your claims that Federation ships never miss, you have to acknowledge that your video focuses predominately on Klingon ships missing the target, and although one scene shows that a Defiant class ship may have missed (its a little unclear), we never really see Federation ships missing. We see other ships failing to hit Federation ships. In fact, the Federation ships that are missed fired with almost 100% accuracy if you watch the video closely. In fact there is only one occasion where we can clearly see a defiant failing to hit a ship. Although there are situations where both ships are at relatively long distance and both are in motion, that the ships miss, but this is by far the exception and not the rule.
Scanning the DS? Prove that any Federation ship can scan through dozens if not hundreds of KMs of DS-level armour to find the weak spot, get a Photon Torp down the shaft (the torp may not even fit) while weathering incoming fire from all the TLs on the surface as well as the dozens if not hundreds of TIEs that would swarm all over them.Also, you claim that Federation ships are poorly engineered because 1 shot can destroy multiple systems, but have you heard of something called the Death Star? One shot to a hole on the outside of the station destroys the entire station! Also, the fact that Federation ships have weak points rivaling those of the Imperial stations is marginalized by the fact that Imperial ships have to get extremely close to the ship with small fighters to actually hit a ship's weak points (as seen in a New Hope, where the rebels admitted in the briefing that the idea of firing a missle down the ventilation shaft was near impossible and required human skill). The Enterprise-E would have no challenge scanning the Death Star and then firing a single shot down the ventilation shaft (this precision was seen in "A Piece of the Action" AND "First Contact". It required no previous planning and the aiming occured near-instantaneously).
That cuts both ways, thus the Feds would need to conduct research to find the solution, which would not happen fast enough to save them.As for the biological warfare thing, we're not really sure how genetically similar the "humans" from the Empire and the humans from the Federation are. Since Star Wars humans have The Force and other biological distinctions, I'd imagine they'd have diffrent DNA, and have a somewhat diffrent pathology.
Both of which needed research beforehand. Would section 31 be able to come up with the virus if Odo hadn't been studied extensively beforehand? The nanoprobes were Borg in origin, the Feds merely modified them, again using data gathered beforehand. Would they have the same data here? I doubt it.The reason I believe that Section 31 would be able to create viruses to harm the Imperial soldiers (should they indeed have a diffrent genetic structure) is that they've done it numerous times in the past. They did it to the Dominion. They created nano-probes to kill Species 8472 in a very shot period of time.
Phaser beam? I've never seen them do that. Deliver bio weapons in one possible timeline which is questionable at best is all I see them do.Although nano-probes are traditionally delivered into the bloodstream, they can also be delivered en masse onto a ship via photon torpedo or phaser beam. (Voyager: Scorpion, Scorpion Part II).
See aboveSo given the presence of metaclorines in the bllod stream of all Star Wars aliens, we can conclude that there must be some significant DNA diffrences (since no such thing has ever been found in any Star Trek race). In "The Scorpion" we saw nano-probes designed to only attack organisms with a certain DNA sequence.
You mean antidote? If they could easily beam bombs onboard, why bother with nanoprobes in the first place? If you destroy the nanoprobes in this manner, how can they do their job?As for The Empire building an anecdote, I find it highly unlikely since the Empire has never faced an attack from nano-probes (and probably is starting from scratch in terms of understanding the technology and being able to fight it). Secondly, its difficult to imagine how the Imperial ships would actually be able to capture nano-probes and return them to the Empire considering how lethal they are. The best way to do it would be to take a member of the crew who is immune to the nanobots (due to being of a diffrent species/being a droid). However, immediately following any nanobot transfer, it would seem pragmatic for the Federation to transport bombs onto the enemy ship to prevent recovery).
Is it really unreasonable to assume that transporters would be blocked given how easily they can be jammed, if not by shields but by the armour? And since when did every Federation ship have a cloaking device which may or may not defeat Imperial sensors? Treaty of Algeron, ring any bells?I realise the the Imperial ships have shields (its hard to know if they do block Federation transporters), but they seem to require a few shots to a few exposed shield generators to be taken offline(as seen in the space battle at the end of "Return of the Jedi"). Couldn't the Enterprise briefly uncloak, take down the shield generators with two perfectly placed and caclulated shots (since they would have ample time to analyse the ship's systems) to take down the shields, and then transport a bomb aboard the ship? Because they could fire all their missles at the moment of decloaking, they could start transporting bombs onto the enemy ship and/or firing nanoprobes using phasers onto the ship within 10-20 seconds (fire-activate transporter-recloak).
Except the same issue of scanning through said armour, and the cloaking device which they're not supposed to have which affects their own sensors and consumes a fairly large amount of power.Federation sensors have shown numerous times their ability to scan a ship (even if it has shields up) and find the precise location of a specific person or a specific object on a ship. However, in a New Hope, rebels had to send spies to acquire useful data about the Death Stars interior engineering (such as the ventillation shaft). The Enterprise could have simply scanned at long distance while cloaked and found out about the ship's weapon systems. (There are quite a few examples of this in Star Trek. One good example is in "Q Who?", where the Enterprise is able to scan a planet and determine how many life signs there were, and what species they were).
Again, aside from the blockable transporters, how would they know where to find the General? How would they tell him apart from all the others?So its not exactly out of the picture that a small Federation ship could go up to an Imperial ship, uncloak, and transport a small bomb onto the lap of an important general (or even onto a key location such as the bridge).
That cloak happened to fail on the Pegasus, with 2/3 of the ship appearing inside an asteroid. A few reliability issues there.Although the Federation may have no phasic cloak devices at the moment, its important to note that they've already built the advice, and have scientists and engineers around who worked directly on the project. Secondly, many of the comments made regarding to phasic cloak still apply for regular cloak, although to a lesser degree.
Now you're assuming they can cloak an entire base? As if. The very need for dilithium is a weakness, especially as it needs to be refined before insertion into a warp core.As for the Federation building up a resistance, you have to consider a few things:
1. The sheer vastness of space
2. The Potential number of locations to get dilithium
3. The low chance of randomly stumbling onto the cloaked federation bases.
Aside from a large number of materials and devices which can't be replicated, do you know for a fact how many places Dilithium can be found?Now, as for building the fleets, we have to remember that the Federation replicators can produce a wide-variety of the materials needed to produce/repair a starship. The fundamental material needed is dilithium, which can be found on many diffrent dilithium moons. Although it would be an effective strategy for the Empire to try to secure dilithium moons, the chances of being able to find a large number of them (considering the number of potential locations) is utterly preposterous.
Again with the magic phasers and wanked transporters.Also, the Federation wouldn't have to be able to build "Entire fleets". Remember that the primary role of Federation ships would be to deliver nano-bots via phaser fire, or transport bombs aboard. Most existing Federation ships could be rather quickly modified to meet these ends, and thusly the bulk of the Federation bases's efforts would be focused on resupplying and reinforcing existing Federation forces.
Again with the cloak which may not have the desired effect, you think the prbes only had visual sensors?The claim that "You can't just hide a base" is unsupported by Star Wars cannon. In the Empire Strikes Back, the Empire actually had to send tiny probes onto the surface of Hoth visually identify the base.
Had the Federation built a base on the planet, it would not have been detectable by a probe that simply takes in light (due to cloak).
Because a probe is as easy to see as a civilisation? And would capturing a probe pass un-noticed? You also think it's easy to dump fake data into an unfamiliar alien system?However the Federation base could have easily detected the Imperial probe (because in episodes such as "Q Who?" the Federation is able to detect the state of a planet's civilisation and also the types of organisms on the planet before they even enter the solar system). Wouldn't the Federation be able to easily detect the probe comming and capture it, or give it false data (the later of which is considerably more fun).
None of which do jack shit.Although I believe the Empire would win early victories, I believe that clear Federation advantages in short term transportation, precision and accuracy of weapons, and advanced nano-probes would shift the war in favor of the Federation.
He got them away from the Borg after their first encounter, didn't He? Then again, it was Him who plopped them down next to a Borg cube in the first place, so I'm not sure if it qualifies.Batman wrote:Ah, but the New Testament God is apparently a forgiving and benevolent one so he'd aid them despite that. The complete and utter lack of evidence forDarth Servo wrote:In spite of the fact that the Federation is rather anti-christian?fusion wrote:I was debated a trekie and she said that that earth will win because god is on their side! :roll:
The problem is that even the very educated is dumb down by commericals and stupid shows
a) God actually existing and
b) him/her/it coming to the Federation's aid on numerous occasions where they could have really used it notwithstanding.
Yup, if anyone should have put some megatonnage in there, it should have been Yoda. He'd kill half the Seperatist leadership, and nip the war in the bud before it started.Jim Raynor wrote:This guy thinks the Separatists should have used orbital bombardment on their own arena. And it's not like the Jedi were neatly packed together in a small group until the end of the battle, at which point they were already defeated.Although in Star Wars we occasionally see primative target systems, they seem to not be in wide use. For example, in AOTC, when the Jedi are under attack from the Trade Federation, and are encircled, a single shot from space could have easily wiped out the Jedi (and with less losses than simply swarming them). However, despire Trade Federation air superiority, this never occured.
You can tell he has no concept of...well...anything.Darth Wong wrote:I love the way Moron Boy is wanking about the Federation building a network of cloaked bases and building new forces as a way of forming a resistance against the Empire after having their entire infrastructure either captured or destroyed by the Empire. You can tell he has no concept whatsoever of logistics.
