Hey Sovereign, you lying sack of shit ...

[Darth Wong]

In this thread, you claimed that the Enterprise fired on a 6 km high mountain and destroyed it with their phasers. Luckily, one of my Bothan spies provided screenshots of the event in question, and guess what: pictures don't lie, but you do:


Enterprise firing


Impact on what you describe as a "6 km high mountain"

Small wonder you repeatedly ignored my demands for screenshots, eh? No one in his right mind is going to see that and think "6 km high mountain". Worthless little fucktard bullshitter troll ...

[Darth Wong]

Being stupid may deserve a Village Idiot title, but outright lies ... let's all welcome our newest VI, "Sovereign".

[AdmiralKanos]

PS. Thanks to Doomriser for the info.

[Sea Skimmer]

Even smaller then I remembered it would seem.

I still want him to refute my destruction of his little "a high number in the name must mean it's more powerful" claim.

[Howedar]

Wow, said "mountain" looks almost as large as the Enterprise.


Oh wait thats right, dialogue is higher than visuals. Silly me...

[Shinova]

That would make the mountain around 200 meters tall, would it?

[Howedar]

200m would be a fair albeit somewhat generous estimate of mountain size.

[Howedar]

This all assumes that the Enterprise's phase cannons are perfectly focused (ie no beam spreading). I don't think we've ever seen the beams spread, especially at that range.

[Ender]

You're wasting your time. His usual MO is to post some stuff, not bother to back it up, and reappear a few weaks later with more shit.

Though he did break the cycle this time in that he didn't post a bunch of pics showing random things and claiming that was a valid argument.

[AdmiralKanos]

In DS9, they hit an asteroid at 400,000km (obviously, it's a lot easier to hit a rock than a maneuvering starship). The beam must not spread much, and over that distance, it would be insignificant.

[AdmiralKanos]

You're wasting your time. His usual MO is to post some stuff, not bother to back it up, and reappear a few weaks later with more shit.

Though he did break the cycle this time in that he didn't post a bunch of pics showing random things and claiming that was a valid argument.

Somebody remember to bump this thread the next time this little fucktard shows up.

[Howedar]

In DS9, they hit an asteroid at 400,000km (obviously, it's a lot easier to hit a rock than a maneuvering starship). The beam must not spread much, and over that distance, it would be insignificant.

Different system, and we don't really know how radical the spreading could be. I'm not disagreeing, I'm just pointing out that beam spreading could potentially be a factor.

[AdmiralKanos]

Not when the crew explicitly described it as a 500 GJ weapon. This thing was probably a hundred metres high.

[Anarchist Bunny]

This fucktards back? His first thread is where I came up with the 9 waves of 1000 Cubes vs 1 ISD calcs. He just went on posting pics and doing the "they have the same name so they must be the same power" with Trek plasma weapons.

He came back trying to debate S8472 vs Empire, saying he would go back to the Borg topic(bullshit), and again only posted pics and the never really made any points.

Didn't he try to debate canon too, saying it was hypocritical to use Star Wars novels and leave out Star Trek ones?

This VI title was a long time coming, to bad he'll never be annoying enough for the big B.

[Howedar]

Not when the crew explicitly described it as a 500 GJ weapon. This thing was probably a hundred metres high.

Well yes, I am by no means arguing that

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Oh, and in case you try to use Archer's offhand remarks about the size, Reed's yield overrides this.

[Captain Cyran]

Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not from the Episode where they were having some problems with aliens who entered their ship and super-powered their guns blowing out a few systems on the ship when they fired them, and the destruction of that tiny rock was the result?

[consequences]

And, with still no sign of him as a result of this thread, I move that his tiltle be changed from Village Idiot to Village Pussy, or Village Bitch.

[Darth Wong]

Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not from the Episode where they were having some problems with aliens who entered their ship and super-powered their guns blowing out a few systems on the ship when they fired them, and the destruction of that tiny rock was the result?

I'm told their guns were boosted from 500 GJ to 5 TJ (approximately 1 kiloton). This is sufficient to blast a 100 metre wide crater out of the ground, so it should be sufficient to blast a 100 metre high mountain. Since the mountain appeared to be roughly that size, the visuals are completely consistent with the dialogue (unless one chooses to ignore a precise statement like "five hundred gigajoules" and rely exclusively on hyperbole, as Sovereign-pussy did ).

PS. Why the hell do you italicize everything you write?

[Howedar]

Are rocks and mountains and such less structurally sound in lower gravity? It seems to me that if it were sedementary (although I have no idea if it was) then the mountain could be a bit bigger than 100m (say 200m or something) and would still be smashed apart the same way. Not to say it could be McKinley sized...

[Captain Cyran]

Correct me if I am wrong, but is that not from the Episode where they were having some problems with aliens who entered their ship and super-powered their guns blowing out a few systems on the ship when they fired them, and the destruction of that tiny rock was the result?

I'm told their guns were boosted from 500 GJ to 5 TJ (approximately 1 kiloton). This is sufficient to blast a 100 metre wide crater out of the ground, so it should be sufficient to blast a 100 metre high mountain. Since the mountain appeared to be roughly that size, the visuals are completely consistent with the dialogue (unless one chooses to ignore a precise statement like "five hundred gigajoules" and rely exclusively on hyperbole, as Sovereign-pussy did ).

PS. Why the hell do you italicize everything you write?

I don't know, it makes things interesting I suppose, plus it's easier for me to pick out what I've written, I think it looks cool, etc.

[Warspite]

Are rocks and mountains and such less structurally sound in lower gravity? It seems to me that if it were sedementary (although I have no idea if it was) then the mountain could be a bit bigger than 100m (say 200m or something) and would still be smashed apart the same way. Not to say it could be McKinley sized...

It's dificult to accept a sedimentary formation, since it requires an erosion process such as water and wind, (and no, boulders crashing down or solar wind don't count as erosion), and it's formation implies an acumulation process in layered strata.

The Moon, for instance, is composed mainly by igneous rocks (owing to the extinct vulcanic activity), with quantities of metamorphic rocks (created by all types of alterations, heat, pressure, radiation, etc...).

So, in conclusion, that mountain is NOT sedimentary. From the images it looks like the central peak of a crater, where some of the original material of the meteorite still rests, hence, either igneous or metamorphic rock.

The effect of gravity only has relevance in the destruction of the mountain, that is, in the motion of the debris. The basic properties of the material are the dictating elements of the explosion, and so, how the mountain explodes.

We can't say for sure how high is the mountain, since we haven't any scaling elements, with the exception of the phase beam, and that can be artistically liberal, or just plain wrong-scaled, either way, there's still the question of how far the camera was from the mountain.

[Howedar]

Yeah, thats kinda what I figured. I can't say I'm geologically-inclined, though.

[greenmm]

Wow, said "mountain" looks almost as large as the Enterprise.


Oh wait thats right, dialogue is higher than visuals. Silly me...

he he

Actually, if the spacing between the beams is identical at impact to their generation point, that "mountain" would be lucky to be the total size of the underside blister/dome of the Enterprise. If the entire Enterprise is only 200m long, that thing is lucky to be even 50m high...

[seanrobertson]

In this thread, you claimed that the Enterprise fired on a 6 km high mountain and destroyed it with their phasers. Luckily, one of my Bothan spies provided screenshots of the event in question, and guess what: pictures don't lie, but you do:


Enterprise firing


Impact on what you describe as a "6 km high mountain"

Small wonder you repeatedly ignored my demands for screenshots, eh? No one in his right mind is going to see that and think "6 km high mountain". Worthless little fucktard bullshitter troll ...

ROTFLOL.

I remember that episode. I even remember thinking at the time,
how can Archer describe THAT as the size of Mt. McKinley?! Methinks
he has partaken in too many little brown "presents" Porthos left in
their quarters and somehow got a tapeworm in his brain.

Oh, but I know: Sovereign should join forces with some of
the anti-visual Fiver brigades. Yeah, that's the ticket...that
way he could claim that the beams are actually about a kilometer
wide, yet don't lose any energy, when they strike that mole hill

Moreover, we'd be "fools" to try to demonstrate otherwise since
"pixel scaling is all wrong." Only the producers know; and,
after all, the ENT people have supposedly said the ship's
"spatial torpedoes" are "more powerful than any nuclear devices
circa the 21st century."

A match made in heaven! Hearsay, lies, lower-limits vs. uppers,
visuals vs. dialogue, the questioning of those visuals themselves...
what more could we pack into one living troll?