Contain xenomorphs with a modern military base

[Stark]

I said drones and video equipment, no actual contact with humans and xenos. the glass is tempered (very high stress glass, mainly for containment purpose, say like safety glass that will crack and still hold together, is for containing the xenos (glass is very good against acid), second the concrete lined pressureized room, is also a trick, since if the pressure is equal to or greater outside the glass observation egg, what happens when the xenos do suceed in swimming fast enough to "break their egg? the high pressure implodes it into them.

I'm sorry, deliberately introducing a weak design element is stupid. Windows are useless, so why bother building them? Save time, money and make your base safer: say no to windows. But at least your plan isn't some retarded overcomplex design with worthless nuke failsaes.

Get this guys - the only way an alien is getting out is mass incompetence or magic stealth. In that case, you won't trigger the nuke because you either won't know or you'll be dead. Another worthless feature. Compartmenalised mines/incendiaries/other badness is far more useful, because you can use it WITHOUT KILLING EVERYONE.

And yeah, the retarded comics (which are so stupid they melt my fucking eyeballs) have the humans (after having Earth magically conquered due to magic) come up with acid-resistant armour, superguns, force fields, all kinds of shit. It's always stupidity or incompetence that lets them out, like I said - it's just stupid writing in stupid comics based on stupid shit. Yeah, the aliens can take over Earth. What the fuck ever.

[ThatGuyFromThatPlace]

The OP requested a failsafe self destruct system, otherwise I would have left it at the compartmentalized FAE (or Halon gas) system.

[The Yosemite Bear]

BECAUSE STARK GLASS IS NOT CORROSIVE!!!!

the glass only exists because it's there to deal with the acid, and because tempared glass (glass polymere glass etc) is highly resistant to both acid, and the xenos normal attacks (bashing, claws, acid) Like automotive safety glass it will deform, but stay intact. now since the airlocked concrete room has equal to greater pressure then the inside of the bubble, guess what they can't do anything. (isn't science wonderful)

[Stark]

So it's not a 'window', it's a 'glass cube'? Or do you have floors, doors etc? Don't be ridiculous, the acid isn't that powerful. Only the retarded A4 aliens had magic acid-knowledge, so it's not a factor here. How are you going to access your cube made of thickass glass?

You're planning on containing aliens with an airpressure differential? That might work on the Flood but once the pressure equalises it's no obstacle.

[The Yosemite Bear]

it's a modern incubator/diving chamber style "egg" with drones to do the observation/dissection. the pressure in the concrete chamber surrounding the inner chamber allows one to crush the critters should they try and break out. otherwise the "egg" stays nice and intact.

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

I have a question. Is there any evedence that the Xeno's Blood is either Slowed or Stopped by Glass? Or whether or not Cauterization can stop a Xeno from Bleeding out?

I recall that Xeno Blood was Classified as a Universal Corrosive in the Alien Novelization. (Barring breaking any No Limits Fallacies)

You can't corrode glass.

True. Most corrosive agents are easily contained in Glass. But show me any example of Alien Blood being that easily contained. Plus adress the Alien Novelization's Declaration of xeno blood being a Universal corrosive. There hasn't been really much insight from any of the Alien canon sources that state much more beyond that. That's why I have trouble accepting that xeno blood being so easily contained. There are just too many unknowns.

Generally My main containment area would be a remote area underground. With the ultimate failsafe being: Anything that Leaves during a breakout (which will happen, I'm a pessimist) wil trigger a 30 second countdown. The Bomb would be a 500 MT Nuke. That's the basics.

WTF? That's just stupid.[/quote]Not according to me. When dealing with Xenos that I have seen onscreen, Every precaution should be taken. The one I posted is a fail safe to be enacted if all hell breaks loose and the xenos can't be contained by any other measures.(which is quite likely) Would you even want one of those things near a populated area??

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

I have a question. Is there any evedence that the Xeno's Blood is either Slowed or Stopped by Glass? Or whether or not Cauterization can stop a Xeno from Bleeding out?

I recall that Xeno Blood was Classified as a Universal Corrosive in the Alien Novelization. (Barring breaking any No Limits Fallacies)

You can't corrode glass.

Aliens the colonists had two disected and one live face hugger in seperate glass tanks, yes they were able to dissect them in a glass container.[/quote]I'm not too sure what scenes you were talking about. But Both Alien and Aliens stated that The xeno Blood neutralizes (over time) after death. Thus they are easier to handle. The fact that both were kept in Glass tanks doesn't really show that their blood can be contained by glass. Actually, (and this is an assumption, mind you) Glass actually can't contain their blood. In Alien look at Kane's Helmet when it is being removed. The Glass covering doesn't appear to be cracked open, it looks melted. Which Kind of Correlates to Ripley warning Burke to not get too close to the Facehuggers in the tanks.

Also note the sewer scene massacare, where the two minigun drones killed how many hundreds of the xenos, and it appeared that water had no trouble dispursing the alien's blood.

There wasn't any sentry gun Sequence in a sewer or in (or near) water at all. Second there is little onscreen evidence that showcases that the sentry gun were that effective in repelling the Xenos at all, or in showing that they had the kills that you suggest. From what we see onscreen, only two confirmed kills are shown. Now I'm not saying that theyonly have two kills, I'm just putting everything all in perspective. (The xeno casualities are unknown)

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

BECAUSE STARK GLASS IS NOT CORROSIVE!!!!

the glass only exists because it's there to deal with the acid, and because tempared glass (glass polymere glass etc) is highly resistant to both acid, and the xenos normal attacks (bashing, claws, acid) Like automotive safety glass it will deform, but stay intact. now since the airlocked concrete room has equal to greater pressure then the inside of the bubble, guess what they can't do anything. (isn't science wonderful)

Well If you look at Kane's Helmet in Alien after the FaceHugger attack. It is Melted not cracked open. So It is possible that Xeno Blood can in fact corrode glass.

[Mr Bean]

True. Most corrosive agents are easily contained in Glass. But show me any example of Alien Blood being that easily contained. Plus adress the Alien Novelization's Declaration of xeno blood being a Universal corrosive. There hasn't been really much insight from any of the Alien canon sources that state much more beyond that. That's why I have trouble accepting that xeno blood being so easily contained. There are just too many unknowns.

Then we will use dead fucking Xeno's skins to build cages Their acidic bloody is not a fucking no limits ability. If they Xeno's can even exist then it's NOT a fucking universal corrosive or otherwise the xenos as a species would have died.

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

True. Most corrosive agents are easily contained in Glass. But show me any example of Alien Blood being that easily contained. Plus adress the Alien Novelization's Declaration of xeno blood being a Universal corrosive. There hasn't been really much insight from any of the Alien canon sources that state much more beyond that. That's why I have trouble accepting that xeno blood being so easily contained. There are just too many unknowns.

Then we will use dead fucking Xeno's skins to build cages Their acidic bloody is not a fucking no limits ability. If they Xeno's can even exist then it's NOT a fucking universal corrosive or otherwise the xenos as a species would have died.

No Shit!! I wasn't trying to say it can corrode through ABOLUTELY anything. I'm just saying that with the scenario we have: Using modern day tech there really isn't much that I can think that can stop Xeno Blood. That's all I'm getting at. If you have a problem with the Term Universal Corrosive then Take that up with the writer.

[Patrick Degan]

I see nobody's picked up on the idea of designing the base as a vivisection lab to which xenomorph carcassas are shipped for detailed examination. Solves all your containment problems by way of a dollop of rather basic common-sense.

[phongn]

Well If you look at Kane's Helmet in Alien after the FaceHugger attack. It is Melted not cracked open. So It is possible that Xeno Blood can in fact corrode glass.

The "glass" on the helmet might be some sort of polycarbonate rather than actual glass.

You can't corrode glass.

True. Most corrosive agents are easily contained in Glass. But show me any example of Alien Blood being that easily contained.

Whoops, my bad. I just realized that acid can attack glass - it just depends on type and concentration (and pressure, temperature, etc.) Still, glass typically is quite resistant to any sort of acid attack. It can take a significant amount of time to get through at STP.

Plus adress the Alien Novelization's Declaration of xeno blood being a Universal corrosive. There hasn't been really much insight from any of the Alien canon sources that state much more beyond that. That's why I have trouble accepting that xeno blood being so easily contained. There are just too many unknowns.

Not possible - if the alien itself can contain the acid, it isn't a universal corrosive. Nevermind that a "universal corrosive" is not exactly possible - perhaps they were talking in general terms, that is an acid more potent than any known before?

WTF? That's just stupid.

Not according to me. When dealing with Xenos that I have seen onscreen, Every precaution should be taken. The one I posted is a fail safe to be enacted if all hell breaks loose and the xenos can't be contained by any other measures.(which is quite likely) Would you even want one of those things near a populated area??[/quote]
You don't need a 500MT bomb to do that.

[Aaron]

Would you even want one of those things near a populated area??

If a USCMC Private can take one down with a handgun or Hicks could kill multiple Aliens with his shotgun than a cop could easily kill an escaped Alien that made it to a city. It's just an animal.

[Shroom Man 777]

Onscreens my ass. We're not gonna have a hiveful of ten trimillion aliens, nor are we going to put in shitty nooks and crannies and vent shafts and hide holes and whatever have you for critters to sneak in and eat people.

And unless the aliens, and the Queen (will the lab have a Queen?) somehow magically find hosts, they can't overwhelm the base defenders.

[Darth Wong]

No Shit!! I wasn't trying to say it can corrode through ABOLUTELY anything. I'm just saying that with the scenario we have: Using modern day tech there really isn't much that I can think that can stop Xeno Blood. That's all I'm getting at. If you have a problem with the Term Universal Corrosive then Take that up with the writer.

What are you, fucking retarded? In Aliens they had living face-huggers contained securely in water-filled glass tanks. They were contained in those glass tanks for weeks, with no supervision and no danger until Burke deliberately released them.

I'm not too sure what scenes you were talking about. But Both Alien and Aliens stated that The xeno Blood neutralizes (over time) after death. Thus they are easier to handle. The fact that both were kept in Glass tanks doesn't really show that their blood can be contained by glass.

The two face-huggers in Aliens were still alive, TardBoy. And the same appendage they used to eat through Kane's facemask was useless against the glass tank walls.

[The Yosemite Bear]

which I think I pointed out, that a heavy glass case can hold a facehugger indefinately earlier, and that water seems to do a nice job on the penal colony, the sewers and the space station of neutralizing the acid. Which is why I suggested the super safety glass aquarium for remote observation and vivisection. especially if you surround said equarium with enough high pressure what ever that even if they DO force their way out the result would only be aliens crushed.

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

Well If you look at Kane's Helmet in Alien after the FaceHugger attack. It is Melted not cracked open. So It is possible that Xeno Blood can in fact corrode glass.

The "glass" on the helmet might be some sort of polycarbonate rather than actual glass.

True. It could have been some other material. Who knows for sure. But I guess we can refer to the Novel, has anyone read it recently??

You can't corrode glass.

True. Most corrosive agents are easily contained in Glass. But show me any example of Alien Blood being that easily contained.

Whoops, my bad. I just realized that acid can attack glass - it just depends on type and concentration (and pressure, temperature, etc.) Still, glass typically is quite resistant to any sort of acid attack. It can take a significant amount of time to get through at STP.

Fair Enough.

Plus adress the Alien Novelization's Declaration of xeno blood being a Universal corrosive. There hasn't been really much insight from any of the Alien canon sources that state much more beyond that. That's why I have trouble accepting that xeno blood being so easily contained. There are just too many unknowns.

Not possible - if the alien itself can contain the acid, it isn't a universal corrosive. Nevermind that a "universal corrosive" is not exactly possible - perhaps they were talking in general terms, that is an acid more potent than any known before?

No here's the problem about bringing this topic up. Maybe b/c I don'texplain myself too well. (partially b/c the book is vague on it as well) When I Bring up the "Universal Corrosive" line, I assume that most of you will assume that I mean in general terms: Meaning that it can corrode through most basic materials. (namely: Metals, Plastics, Masonry and other solid objects) As for liquids, while there is nothing we see onscreen or any declarations of how it affects liquids, little can be said about it. But one can assume that a neutralizing agent would work. As for the "Universal Corrosive" Line and it's skin and veins keeping the blood in it's body, I again must take responsibility for not clarifying that the Universal Corrosive doesn't apply to xeno Physiology. Nor that the Acid can literally burn through anything.

WTF? That's just stupid.

Not according to me. When dealing with Xenos that I have seen onscreen, Every precaution should be taken. The one I posted is a fail safe to be enacted if all hell breaks loose and the xenos can't be contained by any other measures.(which is quite likely) Would you even want one of those things near a populated area??

You don't need a 500MT bomb to do that.

You're right. But think about it. If there was an accident what would be the best way to completely erradicate evidence?? Sure, someone is going to ask why a Huge H-bomb was detonated. But it could easily be written off as Nuclear testing.

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

Would you even want one of those things near a populated area??

If a USCMC Private can take one down with a handgun or Hicks could kill multiple Aliens with his shotgun than a cop could easily kill an escaped Alien that made it to a city. It's just an animal.

That's a very narrow assumption. For starters. The Xeno's Killed by Handguns were first in cramped areas. thus they had very limited mobity. Second Both Vasquez and Gorman Literally emptied their clips into the xenos before they died.

As for Hicks killing xenos with his Shotgun and actually the whole Campaign on LV-426, They were Lucky that they were well equiped with Motion Trackers. In most of the encounters in Alien, the marines asses were saved (in spite of poor leadership) b/c of their training, teamwork and the fact that they had advanced warnings of attacks. If they didn't have them at all in any of those engagments in the movie they would have had a lot more casualties. Imagine all the scenarios in the film, minus the motion trackers.

Xenos, may not be setient but they are not stupid when they launch attacks. They are almost infinately patient, stealthy and very fast. They almost always use cover in an attacks, and stick to attacking at night. They are certainly not just animals.

As for a Modern day cop dealing with a Xeno. While they may have the fire power to take one down, they will be lacking the two things that the USCMC had. Enemy Intelligence and Motion Trackers. Add to the fact that a Xeno will be using the cover of it's surroundings and the Night. (Newt says they are active a night) Tack on the fact that Xeos move much faster than any human and are incredibly strong, I see any Police Force aving Lots of Problems dealing with A single Xeno.

[The Yosemite Bear]

excuse me. HJ Dodging bullets is not fuckin Possible!!!!


that is all.

[Aaron]

That's a very narrow assumption. For starters. The Xeno's Killed by Handguns were first in cramped areas. thus they had very limited mobity. Second Both Vasquez and Gorman Literally emptied their clips into the xenos before they died.

And? If the cop has to empty his magazine into the Xeno to kill it he still kills it. And that doesn't preclude the use of a rifle or shotgun that cops have in their cars.

As for Hicks killing xenos with his Shotgun and actually the whole Campaign on LV-426, They were Lucky that they were well equiped with Motion Trackers. In most of the encounters in Alien, the marines asses were saved (in spite of poor leadership) b/c of their training, teamwork and the fact that they had advanced warnings of attacks. If they didn't have them at all in any of those engagments in the movie they would have had a lot more casualties. Imagine all the scenarios in the film, minus the motion trackers.

The humans in Alien Resurection where able to survive without motion trackers. And most of them were not police officers or military trained personnel.

Xenos, may not be setient but they are not stupid when they launch attacks. They are almost infinately patient, stealthy and very fast. They almost always use cover in an attacks, and stick to attacking at night. They are certainly not just animals.

Oh please, what you describe is no more than what tigers use in a jungle.

As for a Modern day cop dealing with a Xeno. While they may have the fire power to take one down, they will be lacking the two things that the USCMC had. Enemy Intelligence and Motion Trackers. Add to the fact that a Xeno will be using the cover of it's surroundings and the Night. (Newt says they are active a night) Tack on the fact that Xeos move much faster than any human and are incredibly strong, I see any Police Force aving Lots of Problems dealing with A single Xeno.

What intelligence did the Marines have on the Aliens? Ripley's description to the Marines was next to useless and certainly contained no info on an entire hive of Aliens. And the Marines night vision gear was useless to them as the Aliens didn't show up on IR, all they had was their lamps. Same as police would have. If the Alien takes out a few cops then they call in the SWAT team.

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

excuse me. HJ Dodging bullets is not fuckin Possible!!!!


that is all.

I'm not saying that they can. I'm say that it would be tough to get a good shot at something that move as fast as they do. Add to the fact that they use Steath and cover of Darkness.

[Stark]

What is 'Stealth and the cover of Darkness'? Is that like a magic spell or something?

Amusingly, the aliens DON'T always move at their wanked-out comicbook speeds, and they move at night because they spend the day DORMANT. When we've seen aliens in unfamiliar environments, they've hid and tried to go for targets of opportunity, instead of wanked-out comicbook hive establishment. I'm not seeing why lowend military or police should have any problem with them since there's going to be a dozen TOPS. The Marines in Aliens killed HUNDREDS of them.

[Shroom Man 777]

Well, if we put lightbulbs and a lack of all sorts of unnecessary crawlspaces in our base, then that totally negates the cover and darkness, won't it? Hell, an angry attack dog would be more dangerous in this case - it can just as easily kill a man by biting off its neck, but its smaller and thus less easy to hit.

Motion sensors are not needed in a facility that's sensibly designed, with lights and a lack of hidden bullshit places.

[Darth Wong]

Xenos, may not be setient but they are not stupid when they launch attacks. They are almost infinately patient, stealthy and very fast. They almost always use cover in an attacks, and stick to attacking at night. They are certainly not just animals.

That's why they wasted most of their manpower in Aliens by charging headlong at the sentry guns until they ran out of ammo, right?

[The Yosemite Bear]

Xenos, may not be setient but they are not stupid when they launch attacks. They are almost infinately patient, stealthy and very fast. They almost always use cover in an attacks, and stick to attacking at night. They are certainly not just animals.

That's why they wasted most of their manpower in Aliens by charging headlong at the sentry guns until they ran out of ammo, right?

he's also said that we have no evidence that the sentry guns killed any aliens in the sewers because we never saw them die.