58th level mage Vs. the modern world

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-24 12:43am

I have PCs that are such high level....Sure I raise the cr of gods.....

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-12-24 10:33am

You're twisted, Alyrium. At least I just had the City Of Shade, making it a little fair.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-24 11:24am

Oh no, you only had a city full of undead netherese mages..

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-12-24 03:14pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Oh no, you only had a city full of undead netherese mages..

All under 30th level, none with access to True Dweamours or 10th+ magic.

Granted, the city's existance in a neighbouring plane is helpful...

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-12-24 03:18pm

Bah. Whilst rampaging across the world, the mage trips and hits a bookstore shelf containing the Black Company books with a funky spell. The White Rose promptly comes to life and slaughters him with a shortsword.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-12-24 03:21pm

HemlockGrey wrote:Bah. Whilst rampaging across the world, the mage trips and hits a bookstore shelf containing the Black Company books with a funky spell. The White Rose promptly comes to life and slaughters him with a shortsword.

Really, was that necessary?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-24 07:06pm

The shortsword will not bypass damge reduction

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2002-12-24 07:30pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:The shortsword will not bypass damge reduction

If I remember the stories right there is an anti-magic zone around the White Rose... magic just don't work inside it, magic already working stops when entering it.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-24 07:42pm

He has enoughhp too leave, the anti-magic zone. or he just casts epic spells which are beyond an anti-magic fields ability to stop

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2002-12-24 08:20pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:He has enoughhp too leave, the anti-magic zone. or he just casts epic spells which are beyond an anti-magic fields ability to stop

Depends on the "anti-magic" zone. If it's a real null-zone ( a zone where no magic exists ) it would just dispel the epic spell too.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-24 08:47pm

It was staated to be an anti-magic field. as such epic spells will take effect inside it.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2002-12-24 10:04pm

I have PCs that are such high level....Sure I raise the cr of gods.....

This is irrelevant, That is just powerrpging...and even a character at 50 level can not have 300 in any stats much less in almost all of those. It lost the purpose of fun...

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-24 10:53pm

There are ways to get a characters stats up that high. You take any of the ability raising spells, and intensify it multiple times. With imprived metamagic he can douple it 7 times technically i could raise each up to 338, then cast permenency, though you have to research how to use permenancy on those spells.

My Pcs figured out how to do this before I did. and they have all done so in my campaigns. it is still fun, because I do the same thing with enemies to even everything out

And here is a hint, he cant teleport while inside the sphere.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2002-12-24 11:24pm

They cheated you hardly...

There is a list of spells that permanency can work...
which feat ? improved Empower Spell ? It would never get the 300...
IF you can really take it multiple times

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-24 11:35pm

You can take the feat multiple times, and the feat is intensify. So long as you have the number of spell levels required.

Normally intensifying a spell requires you to bump-up the level by 7

But then you take improved metaamgic a few times, you can reduce it to one. the effects stack.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2002-12-25 12:09am

Just you cannt do it.
Intensify double to the number. So you get the 5th level version. it would give 16 + 2. (18) Intensify can not be used with used together with other feat that makes numeric changes. Even if you overloop and do it, you will have to get again to get 32 + 2. Again to get 64 + 2. So, you already have a spell of 27th level. And used 3 feats. with this you are already in 26th level. at 56 level you will hav what ? more 15 feats ? Then you could put down this one spell to level 12th. And got no other feat. just to have once a 64+ 2. Never 300! Much less in all other stats.

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » 2002-12-25 12:21am

And people, they still say to me..

"Aaron, what is it about third ed that so turns you off?"

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-25 01:01am

Again, there are ways you could kill him. hell if you watni can tell you how

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-25 01:04am

Besides, in my campaigns when my PCs get to the level they can do that, the enemies will be just as powerful, so it balances out, i even adjust stats of gods to keep it in perspective

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-12-25 01:38pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Besides, in my campaigns when my PCs get to the level they can do that, the enemies will be just as powerful, so it balances out, i even adjust stats of gods to keep it in perspective

I really have to ask what the point is. I mean, I play high-power campaigns(One where the PC's are carving an empire out of Netheril, one where they wage war on the Planes, and the biggest of them all, six low-level deities try and gain power from their more powerful opponents), but none of these insane stats are thrown around. It just makes no sense to me.. And reminds me I need to find where the DM's Corner thread went.

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-12-25 03:33pm

I enjoy powerful and creative games, but megaton-level powers and transdimensional empires are a bit over the top. There comes a point when you can't even justify going campaigning anymore since you can just annihilate worlds at whim. Fighting gods is all that's left.

As to the mage vs. the modern world, if the mage is stuck in our dimension for good (cannot go back to D&D realm) then eventually he'll run out of a lot of magic-- not just components but 'use & lose' spells. Some of his spell slots will have to be devoted ot pedestrian needs like food & water, since he's not going to just walk into a restaurant. He'll duke out a lot of damage (possibly for years) but he'll still get weary battling some 4.5 billion people.

Careful, heathen-- next thing you know you'll be saying that your mage could beat Coruscant....

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2002-12-25 11:18pm

That is exactly the point , man:

This is Overpowering RPG, makes no sense in the official D&D and they do not follow the official rules. If you play it, ok. The DM is God. But that was not the point there.

Coyote:

You know, that is not true. Getting food is really easy. People serve those with power. Magical components ? The majority of them are real world stuff (precious gems, animals stuff, etc) and many high-level spells do not use any material anyways.
A mage that can teleport, kill many that easy can get food and gold easily as well. Plus to cast a spell with the components is just one level above, so not a big thing.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-12-25 11:30pm

I think the only thing worse than the amount of insane power this mage carries is the fact a carefully built 2nd ed Netherese mage could bring him down without breaking a sweat. And these guys never break 23 in a stat, and only one ever hit a level higher than the 30's.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-26 12:04am

The campaig I am running with this mage(as an enemy) is a testbed for the epic level handbook. After this, they will have to start at level one and quest to gain all that power. But if they can figure out how to do it INGAME(very difficult to do, considering i require them to find mentors, to learn those metamagic feats) I wil not stop them. It is getting there that will be difficult. Now, this campaign does involve an intraplanar war, I may even add some spelljammer elements into it

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-12-26 12:09am

Alyrium Denryle wrote:The campaig I am running with this mage(as an enemy) is a testbed for the epic level handbook. After this, they will have to start at level one and quest to gain all that power. But if they can figure out how to do it INGAME(very difficult to do, considering i require them to find mentors, to learn those metamagic feats) I wil not stop them. It is getting there that will be difficult. Now, this campaign does involve an intraplanar war, I may even add some spelljammer elements into it

You got Spelljammer rules for 3e? Give them to me and I won't humiliate your ubermage.