John McClane vs. Martin Riggs

Enola Straight · Post by **Enola Straight** » 2002-12-25 08:12pm

John McClane of Die Hard vs Martin Riggs of Lethal Weapon.

No gunplay...too simple.

Let them just duke it out.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-25 08:18pm

Riggs, from what I remember he's had more training in hand to hand combat than McClane has. If it's a fist fight he'll win due to superior skill.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-25 08:58pm

Riggs. McClane sucks.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-25 10:29pm

Riggs all the way. Good sniper, good shot, next to impossible to kill, likes to go berserk.

Isil`Zha · Post by **Isil`Zha** » 2002-12-25 10:35pm

His fighting ablities are the movie's name sake (Leathal Weapon)...

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2002-12-26 10:18am

If there's one thing McClane is good at though, it's taking a beating. McClane might be able to weather the storm and unleash fury of his own on Riggs. My vote goes to McClane.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-12-26 12:48pm

I think Riggs kicks McClane's ass although the contest might get a little closer if you put Riggs from Lethal Weapon 4 vs. McClane from Die Hard III. I still think Riggs wins.

Now a better contest might be a drinking contest between Riggs from Lethal Weapon and McClane in Die Hard III.

I also wouldn't mind seeing a Riggs vs. The Last Boy Scout (whatever Bruce Willis' character's name was in that film).

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2002-12-26 01:16pm

Riggs was a martial artist in the 1st several Lethal Weapon i don't know what the fuck happened to him in the 4th but either way he hands McClane his ass.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-26 05:54pm

Darth Pounder wrote:Riggs was a martial artist in the 1st several Lethal Weapon i don't know what the fuck happened to him in the 4th

Age and more than likely all the gunshot wounds. He was still a good fighter but as he said in the movie he "too old for this shit".

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2002-12-27 09:45am

McClane already knocked off a martial artist in Die Hard 2. The martial arts advantage for Riggs is thus nill.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-27 09:50am

He did? As I recall, he kicked McClane's ass and McClane fell off, lighting the fuel, thus blowing him up.

Therefore, McClane loses.

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2002-12-27 11:32am

Sure McClane got his ass kicked, but he still won in the end. Riggs might be able to beat on McClane all day, but McClane would probably be savvy (not to mention desperate) enough to find a cheap and effective way to dispatch Riggs.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-27 12:22pm

irishmick79 wrote:Sure McClane got his ass kicked, but he still won in the end. Riggs might be able to beat on McClane all day, but McClane would probably be savvy (not to mention desperate) enough to find a cheap and effective way to dispatch Riggs.

Yes, but that's different from saying the martial arts advantage is nil, yes?

McClane only won due to special circumstances- the plane wing and the fuel. Straight up fight, that commando guy handed him his ass.

I just respect Riggs more. He's better in combat.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-27 12:26pm

irishmick79 wrote:Sure McClane got his ass kicked, but he still won in the end. Riggs might be able to beat on McClane all day, but McClane would probably be savvy (not to mention desperate) enough to find a cheap and effective way to dispatch Riggs.

But unlike the villian Riggs is smart enough to avoid making stupid blunder like that. He's taken advantage of those a few times and is going to be on guard to prevent McClane from doing that.

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2002-12-27 01:23pm

I would certainly say that McClane's ability to take a beating and his resourcefulness in finding unique ways to kill people would negate Rigg's martial arts ability.

So, a fight between McClane and Riggs would probably boil down to who can stay sane long enough and remain focused. McClane doggedly hangs in there, no matter what you throw at him, and takes advantage of the slightest opportunity presented to him. Riggs on the other hand, gets this wild look in his eye and starts killing everything in sight. I would definitely say that McClane would stand a better chance of retaining control of his mental capacities, thus giving him the decisive edge needed for victory.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-12-28 12:28am

Presuming that McClane's neck isn't broken in the first thirty seconds. There is also something to be said for a controlled berzerk state, at least in terms of shrugging off hits.