Jesuswouldbeashamedofyou.com

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2006-10-20 07:17pm

http://www.jesuswouldbeashamedofyou.com/

Not sure if this belongshere or N&P, but yeah.

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2006-10-20 10:18pm

While I generally have views similar to that sites, I have to say once again it shows how some one can and will cherry pick holy texts to support whatever view they want to espoused. Sad thing is the fundies are most likely closer in interpretation of the Bible (you can't follow the Bible 100% since there are contradictions anyway) than moderates.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2006-10-20 10:37pm

Stupid liberal hippy christ bullshit. Yeah, some apocalyptic jewish supremacist 2000 years ago was BOUND to not give a shit about homosexuality and other jewish laws, right? It's not like he said the old law was to be preserved, and that he came only to talk to the jews and bring in their rule over the world, where any town that rejected him would get destroyed just like Sodom was, now was it? Oh wait, that's EXACTLY how it was.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-10-20 11:08pm

Taking the "devil's advocate" line...

Isn't this at least better than what the fundies are? I mean, isn't this at least an improvement? If you could get religion to back off as much as this guy wants them to, it's not exactly a bad thing. Their book is shit for morality, and no one expects this guy to covert many people, but is not his general outlook in the right place?

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-10-21 12:05am

CaptJodan wrote:Taking the "devil's advocate" line...

Isn't this at least better than what the fundies are? I mean, isn't this at least an improvement? If you could get religion to back off as much as this guy wants them to, it's not exactly a bad thing. Their book is shit for morality, and no one expects this guy to covert many people, but is not his general outlook in the right place?

Agreed; I'd rather have this guy in my house than a fundie.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2006-10-21 04:55am

At least he conforms to general norms of societal peace. Okay, he hippiezide Jesus - big fucking deal. That's better than fundies. And Jesus never slaughtered a single man himself - a big improvement from a God who slaughters 99,9% of biological population, including humanity, in a burst of rage.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2006-10-21 07:08am

How was Jesus a "Jewish supremacist"? I can see him espousing primitive tribalism, but on the other hand what would he feel supreme about (apart from supposedly being the son of the universe's creator)? I mean the Jews were mostly just goat herders or fishermen scratching out a living on the North African and Eastern Mediterranean coastline when Jesus was alive.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2006-10-21 01:00pm

In one of the books, I believe he implied/stated that his salvation was only really intended for the Jews. Of course, that book was probably intended to prosetylize to that specific demographic, while Saul's writings appealed to a larger population.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2006-10-21 02:12pm

Big Orange wrote:How was Jesus a "Jewish supremacist"? I can see him espousing primitive tribalism, but on the other hand what would he feel supreme about (apart from supposedly being the son of the universe's creator)? I mean the Jews were mostly just goat herders or fishermen scratching out a living on the North African and Eastern Mediterranean coastline when Jesus was alive.

He says many times he's come to talk to the jews, who, according to messianic prophecy, would guide the world in a holy jewish empire, he also refers to gentiles as dogs, though he heals one of them. He thought it was all about to happen, in the lifetimes of the people around him, and that he'd bring it about. If a white guy referred to non-whites as dogs and wanted the white, chosen people to lead everyone in the world with a holy white empire to the god of the whites, you'd presumably think they were white-supremacist, right?

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2006-10-21 02:15pm

CaptJodan wrote:Taking the "devil's advocate" line...

Isn't this at least better than what the fundies are? I mean, isn't this at least an improvement? If you could get religion to back off as much as this guy wants them to, it's not exactly a bad thing. Their book is shit for morality, and no one expects this guy to covert many people, but is not his general outlook in the right place?

His outlook is right, his methods are wrong. It isn't right, regardless of how nice you are as a person to dishonestly exegete your own teachings into a historical character and cover up the truth.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2006-10-21 06:12pm

Rye wrote:
Big Orange wrote:How was Jesus a "Jewish supremacist"? I can see him espousing primitive tribalism, but on the other hand what would he feel supreme about (apart from supposedly being the son of the universe's creator)? I mean the Jews were mostly just goat herders or fishermen scratching out a living on the North African and Eastern Mediterranean coastline when Jesus was alive.
He says many times he's come to talk to the jews, who, according to messianic prophecy, would guide the world in a holy jewish empire, he also refers to gentiles as dogs, though he heals one of them. He thought it was all about to happen, in the lifetimes of the people around him, and that he'd bring it about. If a white guy referred to non-whites as dogs and wanted the white, chosen people to lead everyone in the world with a holy white empire to the god of the whites, you'd presumably think they were white-supremacist, right?

It seems pretty strange that the exploits of a Jewish supremacist are used as a pretext for Christian supremacists to do the beat down on would-be Jewish supremacists. But then again Abrahamic religion seldom makes sense and is often needlessly crue (and this cruelty is always driven by irrational convictions).

And at the same time, these rantings preached by a charismatic, young Middle Eastern cult leader do sound quite deluded; how would the Jews try to take over the world if they were just a bunch of goat herders and fisherman living under the direct military occupation of a major superpower? But come to think of it, the same could be said of the current crop of Islamic Jihadists that are trying to take on the United States.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2006-10-22 12:44am

The one reason Christianity got its opportunity was because Emperor Constantine embraced it as a unifying ideology to keep the Roman Empire together. With official sanction of a world superpower behind it, whose cultural influence managed to survive the collapse of its government a century and a half later, Christianity (the Roman and Byzantine variety of it) survived to spread outward beyond the bondaries of the Middle East. Otherwise, it would be a minor religion on the scale of the Coptic Church in present-day Egypt, existing perpetually in the shadow of Islam and Judiaism.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2006-10-24 07:43am

I'm not really talking about Christian domination as such, I'm talking more about Jewish racism since I believe Judaism is a racist religion due to it being intrinsically linked with primitive tribalism. Don't get me wrong, Christianity and Islam are very intolerant doctrines too, but they are much more inclusive religions (even though the inclusion of people into their fold occasionally involves extreme violence).

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2006-10-24 10:07am

I feel, after chatting with GFA a few days ago, I should note that Jesus may not have been a total dill-hole when it came to gentiles (though a racist euphemism for them doesn't really imply he was all about their equality under god too, obviously), and presumably wanted them to all convert to judaism, or his brand of it. Jewish eschatology wasn't all the same back then, so there's no guarantee he didn't think the gentiles would convert en masse in the end times and only those that rejected him would be destroyed. After all, there was that whole "mission to the gentiles" bit.

Of course, this doesn't really affect what I was saying (we could use some sort of pseudo-mormon argument to have all the nonwhites in the world turning white upon god's arrival, for instance), but I didn't want it thought I was treating all jews back then as a monolithic culture with regard to treatment of the gentiles.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2006-10-24 02:19pm

Well Judaism then was much different to how we would understand Judaism now and perhaps they converted non-Jews into their "nation" much more readily. Maybe Jesus was a crank, but was a product of his time and seemed essentially moral by the standards of a barbaric society.

TithonusSyndrome · Post by **TithonusSyndrome** » 2006-10-25 07:17pm

Rye wrote:I feel, after chatting with GFA a few days ago, I should note that Jesus may not have been a total dill-hole when it came to gentiles (though a racist euphemism for them doesn't really imply he was all about their equality under god too, obviously), and presumably wanted them to all convert to judaism, or his brand of it. Jewish eschatology wasn't all the same back then, so there's no guarantee he didn't think the gentiles would convert en masse in the end times and only those that rejected him would be destroyed. After all, there was that whole "mission to the gentiles" bit.

Of course, this doesn't really affect what I was saying (we could use some sort of pseudo-mormon argument to have all the nonwhites in the world turning white upon god's arrival, for instance), but I didn't want it thought I was treating all jews back then as a monolithic culture with regard to treatment of the gentiles.

As with much about the true nature of Jesus and his mission, this too becomes obscured once under the magnifying glass. Matthew 10:5 features Jesus telling his apostles to steer clear of the gentiles after granting them Healing +10 powers.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2006-10-25 08:03pm

TithonusSyndrome wrote:
Rye wrote:I feel, after chatting with GFA a few days ago, I should note that Jesus may not have been a total dill-hole when it came to gentiles (though a racist euphemism for them doesn't really imply he was all about their equality under god too, obviously), and presumably wanted them to all convert to judaism, or his brand of it. Jewish eschatology wasn't all the same back then, so there's no guarantee he didn't think the gentiles would convert en masse in the end times and only those that rejected him would be destroyed. After all, there was that whole "mission to the gentiles" bit.

Of course, this doesn't really affect what I was saying (we could use some sort of pseudo-mormon argument to have all the nonwhites in the world turning white upon god's arrival, for instance), but I didn't want it thought I was treating all jews back then as a monolithic culture with regard to treatment of the gentiles.
As with much about the true nature of Jesus and his mission, this too becomes obscured once under the magnifying glass. Matthew 10:5 features Jesus telling his apostles to steer clear of the gentiles after granting them Healing +10 powers.

Then why the fuck do the gentiles follow a cult built around this treacherous and racist sounding person?

TithonusSyndrome · Post by **TithonusSyndrome** » 2006-10-25 08:14pm

Because few of them actually read the book their beleifs are based on? Aside from what they hear from the man at the pulpit on Sunday, most gentiles tend to get the lion's share of their Biblical knowledge from seasonal cards or other religious paraphenelia that is disinclined to list quotes that might damage their PR.