Deckard versus T-800

une · Post by **une** » 2002-12-25 09:57pm

Okay, let's say that the T-800 get's dropped into the Blade Runner universe, and his orders are to kill Rachel, Deckard's girl friend. Deckard get's word of this, and prepares himself to kill the oncoming terminator.

Can Deckard protect his replicant girl friend?

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-25 10:30pm

With what, that big pistol? He's dead- remember he only got saved at the end of the film because the villain died of natural causes.

God I love his final lines .... tears in the rain etc.

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2002-12-26 01:42am

Yes , Roy did die at the end , but first he saved Deckard. Roy decided in his final moments to be more than what he was constructed to be, he could have easily just let Deckard fall to his death. That or Roy realized that Deckard was just like him, and decided not to kill him. Yes , Deckard is a replicant as is Rachel, Nexus 8's without the inbuilt lifespans and with the programmed memories.

I think a T-800 would give him serious problems.

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2002-12-26 01:43am

Roy's speach at the end still gives me chills, its one of the best scenes in the movie.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-12-26 02:32am

The retirement special is just a really nasty wadcutter, it won't do J.S. to the main Terminator.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2002-12-26 02:56am

Sokar wrote: Yes , Deckard is a replicant as is Rachel, Nexus 8's without the inbuilt lifespans and with the programmed memories.

I know I'm going off-topic, but how do you come to this conclusion?

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2002-12-26 03:50am

Seeing as its in the Directors cut of the film

Deckard and Rachel are the latest generation of Replicants , who better to send after a replicant than a replicant, who can fight them on equal terms. A normal human is pathetic when compared with the strenght and speed of someone like Roy Batty, Leon or even Pris. All through the film everything that Deckard is, is in his photos scattered around his apt, just like Rachel or even Leon. In the Directors cut , you discover that Gaff was originally there to 'retire' them both, but decided that he couldn't and gives them time to run before other Blade Runners can get there. I like it better than the confusing theatical release.

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2002-12-26 06:10am

Then the model of replicants that Deckard and Rachel are must have been a downgrade of sorts when compared with the replicants he was going after, because AFAIK he didn't do anything that showed him to be better than the average human in anyway, which means that "replicant vs replicant = fight on equal terms" is not the case for Deckard vs the other replicants.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-26 10:21am

Erm- I've seen the Director's Cut, and I don't recall the Deckard is a replicant revelation.

In fact, the guy says "it's a pity she won't live, but then again who does" or words to that effect. Hardly evidence of Deckard being a replicant?

My memory is foggy though. I just don't remember it.

In addition, Deckard seemed like a regular Joe to me, he didn't have their capabilities.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-12-26 12:43pm

Vympel wrote:Erm- I've seen the Director's Cut, and I don't recall the Deckard is a replicant revelation.

In fact, the guy says "it's a pity she won't live, but then again who does" or words to that effect. Hardly evidence of Deckard being a replicant?

My memory is foggy though. I just don't remember it.

In addition, Deckard seemed like a regular Joe to me, he didn't have their capabilities.

Deckard being a replicant is somewhat suggested in both version of the film. The main hint being his obsession with photographs. In the Director's Cut the main add on is his dreams about the unicorn, which then ties into the unicorn that Gaff left behind when he decided not to kill Deckard and Rachael. That and his comments can be interpreted that Deckard is a replicant but I don't think you have to take it that way. Certainly I've read stuff where it was meant to be taken that way but it's still weak enough in my mind that it's left open.

Clearly, if Deckard is a replicant he isn't much different than a standard human (which would go along with unknown lifespan). Otherwise he wouldn't have gotten his ass kicked by a pleasure model android. He certainly didn't come close to matching up to Roy's combat model and the guy who created Roy basically said that part of the reason androids don't live long is because of how suped up they are compared to normal humans. Granted, part of the reason for the short lifespan was for control but I think the comment about "burning twice as bright" holds some merrit, even though that guy was likely spouting it to try and give Roy a reason not to kill his ass.

Some of those androids makers were twisted. That one guy basically had living toys as his "friends". That "toy soldier" that welcomed him home every day seemed like a live person but stood quietly in a corner until wanted.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-12-26 01:00pm

The Human type replicants weren't enchanced physicially, it was part of how they don't have a reduced lifespan.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-12-26 08:13pm

une wrote:Okay, let's say that the T-800 get's dropped into the Blade Runner universe, and his orders are to kill Rachel, Deckard's girl friend. Deckard get's word of this, and prepares himself to kill the oncoming terminator.

Can Deckard protect his replicant girl friend?

Tell me where to send the flowers to Deckard.

Damaramu · Post by **Damaramu** » 2002-12-26 10:31pm

I doubt a regular human could take a full power chop to the throat from a replicant or any other full powered attacks delivered by one the way Deckard did.

Besides....Deckard didn't know he was a replicant, right? Like Rachel?

Erm...plus IIRC, in a recent interview, Ridley Scott revealed that Deckard was indeed a replicant.

une · Post by **une** » 2002-12-27 07:05pm

I'm sorry, this is a mismatch. I was going off of the idea that Blade Runners hunted mechanical robots, not genetically engineered humans as my research has shown replicants to be.

Ignore this thread and move on.

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2002-12-28 04:58am

Ridley Scott has recently said taht he meatn Deckard to be a replicant. Harrison Ford always said he operated under the assumption that Deckard was human. I guess you can decide for yourself which one you want to believe.

On another note, Deckard's gun seems to have at least one shot of a higher powered projectile, possibly explosive. Look at the shot he takes at Batty, when Batty get's off the elevator at Sebastian's apartment building. It misses, but there's a small explosion when it hits the wall. There was a propmaker who did suggest that it was supposed to have at least one high powered shot as. I supopse that would make it somewhat similar to the Civil War era LeMat revolver (it had a .40cal. 9-shot cylinder, and a 16 guage shotgun barrel) - one powerful shot and several less powerful ones. If that's the case, Deckard might get the terminator if he can make the most of that one shot. Otherwise he'll have to get really creative if he wants to win.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-28 05:01am

une wrote:I'm sorry, this is a mismatch. I was going off of the idea that Blade Runners hunted mechanical robots, not genetically engineered humans as my research has shown replicants to be.

Ignore this thread and move on.

You mean you never saw Blade Runner?

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