You forgot to meant that it was one of the less combative and powerful ones. And lets not forget that caine is a step above them.beyond hope wrote: As far as Vampire: the Masquerade goes, antediluvian vampires are badasses. One of them recently woke up in one of the "Year of the Reckoning" suppliments... it took a simultaneous assault by all the were-critters in the area, all the local mages, and neutron bombs and orbital mirrors throwing intensified sunlight from the Technocracy onto the area to finally kill the thing. If memory serves, the battle lasted two or three days straight.
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Jerry Dandrige from "Fright Night" was a powerful vampire. He had all the classic weaknesses (sunlight, holy water, crosses) but he was very strong physically. He could change in mist, bats, and vampire creature in an instant. He was super-fast; he could appear from one corner to another in an eyeblink.
He could make Servants who lived for centuries and could go out in the daylight, but weren't real vampires. He could reanimate dead bodies with a thought, and charm a human from across a loud crowded disco.
Barnabas Collins is my favorite vampire of all time, though. He had no incredible powers to speak of, but he DID have that bad-ass Wolf's head cane he'd beat his servant Willie Loomis with! (Yes, the "beating his Willie" jokes are about as old as Barnabas!)
I was permanently turned off of the Rice vampires after reading that homoerotic, pedophile piece of fucking trash "The Vampire Armand."
He could make Servants who lived for centuries and could go out in the daylight, but weren't real vampires. He could reanimate dead bodies with a thought, and charm a human from across a loud crowded disco.
Barnabas Collins is my favorite vampire of all time, though. He had no incredible powers to speak of, but he DID have that bad-ass Wolf's head cane he'd beat his servant Willie Loomis with! (Yes, the "beating his Willie" jokes are about as old as Barnabas!)
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Caine probably, or maybe Lilith (although I'm not sure she's as much a vampire as the most powerful mage in existence...)Stormbringer wrote: But an Antiveludan or Methusela from Vampire: The Masquerade would probably be even more powerful. They are supposed to be god like, in fact some are supposed to have been worshipped as gods.
The fate of the RAvnos antediluvian (fighting off three Cathayan Bodhdisattvas - the Kuei-jin equivalent of Methuselah, surviving a nuclear assault designed to harm supernatural creatures, etc.) took some fairly horrid damage and still survived.. I supect anything third generation or higher would be nasty. Fourth or Fifth might still be fearsome, though.
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Ignoring the VtM vampires of third generation and up (possibly also 4th-5th generation and up):
My first bet would be Alucard/Arucard from Hellsing. "firepower" wise, he seems to be among the nastiest, coupled with his supernatural abilities and near-invincibility. His only disadvantages are his tendency to let his opponent "hit" first rather than attacking preemptively, and the fact that nearly all his power is typically locked away.
Hot on the heels of Alucard would be the Rice vampires. They are somewhat powerful (flight, agility, strength, toughness/healing, telekinesis and the pyrokinetic "gift of fire" as well as telepathy for the older ones... but thats really it.) Alucard would most likely own any of the rice vampires (he can set things on fire too, but his "generating" capability for such effects seems much greater.)
My first bet would be Alucard/Arucard from Hellsing. "firepower" wise, he seems to be among the nastiest, coupled with his supernatural abilities and near-invincibility. His only disadvantages are his tendency to let his opponent "hit" first rather than attacking preemptively, and the fact that nearly all his power is typically locked away.
Hot on the heels of Alucard would be the Rice vampires. They are somewhat powerful (flight, agility, strength, toughness/healing, telekinesis and the pyrokinetic "gift of fire" as well as telepathy for the older ones... but thats really it.) Alucard would most likely own any of the rice vampires (he can set things on fire too, but his "generating" capability for such effects seems much greater.)
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Re: Alucard from Hellsing
Not quite instantly. In ep 10 for example, he took fire from 4-6 M-16s and had a substnatial amount of mass blown away from his body, and it took several seconds to recover. He can "resist" most low-caliber ammo (9mm and such, I imagine). Anything blessed or silver inflicts pretty substantial wounds.Guardsman Bass wrote:I would use a vampire from a different source, Hellsing(a japanese anime)The main vampire in the anime, Alucard(or Arucard, or so I have heard) can heal wounds instantly(even if most of his body is ripped to pieces)
He also seems to have something of an "ablative" effect regarding impacts - or a tendency to "let" bullets pass through his body - an artifact of his shapechanging abilities, no doubt.
The speed thing seems limited compared to certain others (Luke Valentine in ep 6, for example.)teleport, communicate telepathically, move extremely rapidly,
He's got innate shape changing abilities, basically. The "summoning demonic servants" appears to be the same effect as shape-changing part of his body into the hellhounds. Usually its only one or two, but the largest number seen was 4 in ep 13 (when he fought Incognito)transform into a demonic doglike creature with many eyes, transform into a shapeless dark mass with many eyes and the ability to create sharp mouths anywhere on it, turn into mist, summon demonic servants,
He's never created ghouls, nor does he seem inclined to (he thinks rather low of those who do.)raise zombie-like creatures from the victims of his blood sucking,
He's never really "turned" invisible. These all seem to be artifacts of his teleportation abilities.turn invisible, move through walls,
Actually that ability I've heard inferred to be either illusion powers (much like what happened to Integral in episode 8 when she "thought" she was in the kill house) and as "opening a portal to the netherworld." (from the official DVD website.) Ironically the same effect seems to occur when he engages in combat or unlocks his powers (like against Luke Valentine in ep 6)take bat form, and expand himself into structures(such as the hallway in which he trapped two vampires he was hunting).
Although five of the bullets from his Jackal were enough to "kill" him in such a fashion that he wasn't readily revivable. (although that seems to be an unusually powerful weapon anyhow, which mayt in part explain its effectiveness - not to mention the blessings) - It appears that at that state, it requires Integral to manually unlock his powers to do so, and even then, he requires "blood" to faciilate the regeneration.It is damn near impossible to kill him; one man stabbed throughout his abdomen with sharp, blessed swords, another shot him in the head and other places in his body, another vampire had his ghouls(the zombielike creatures listed above) shoot about several tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition into him, which turned him into a pile of blood and guts, from which he almost immediately recovered,
So while he can't be "killed", he can still be neutralized.
Seras can, but its not really been demonstrated he can walk in the sunlight himself. Seras is in some ways not a "whole" vampire, or at least seems to be unique in certain aspects. In the Manga Alucard has mentioned being "tired" during the day, and Walter warned Seras about being out in the daytiem in ep 2. It may not "kill" them or hurt them outright, but it does seem to have some sort of debilitating effects.and he can apparently walk in sunlight, which is demonstrated by the capabilities of lesser vampires to do so.
I don't know who exactly to vote for here as far as the contest goes, but Alucard has the best music.
I don't see why everyone's so damn impressed by V:tM's so-called badasses. All they really needed to do was bring in a master of Correspondance and have him open a portal next to the Antediluvian to the core of the sun for about a microsecond.beyond hope wrote:As far as Vampire: the Masquerade goes, antediluvian vampires are badasses. One of them recently woke up in one of the "Year of the Reckoning" suppliments... it took a simultaneous assault by all the were-critters in the area, all the local mages, and neutron bombs and orbital mirrors throwing intensified sunlight from the Technocracy onto the area to finally kill the thing. If memory serves, the battle lasted two or three days straight.
Maharat and Mekare (spell?) handed Akasha her ass, in the novel. They take it, sunlight; no problem. Fire; no problem. Decapitation; no problem. Very hard to beat those two.
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Lord Poe wrote: I was permanently turned off of the Rice vampires after reading that homoerotic, pedophile piece of fucking trash "The Vampire Armand."
Hey, thanks for the warning. Another good reason not to read that book. I wasn't planning on it anyway because I always thought Armand was a real whiner and not that interesting. Besides, I thought the book Pandora mostly covered ground covered by previous Anne Rice books so I didn't expect Armand to be much different. Besides that, Armand was one of the few of her vampires that was religious. It seemd to contribute to him being whiney.
Back on Topic (sort of) -- one of the weeknesses that has alwasy turned me off of Anne Rice's vamps is that the guys can't get it up anymore. Who wants to be an immortal chick magnent when all you're going to do is suck their blood?
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Tsyroc wrote:Hey, thanks for the warning. Another good reason not to read that book. I wasn't planning on it anyway because I always thought Armand was a real whiner and not that interesting.Lord Poe wrote: I was permanently turned off of the Rice vampires after reading that homoerotic, pedophile piece of fucking trash "The Vampire Armand."
Man, I'm sorry I ever picked it up. It is VERY graphic in its depiction of young boys being sexually..."handled" by grown men. Pure crap.
I don't know what Rice is doing anymore. His story (AND Marius' ) has been covered extensively in the past Vampite Chronicles. She just keep retreading old ground. I understand a new VC is coming out (or is out) about Marius' rise to being a vampire. Shit, wasn't that COVERED in "The Vampire Lestat"?Besides, I thought the book Pandora mostly covered ground covered by previous Anne Rice books so I didn't expect Armand to be much different. Besides that, Armand was one of the few of her vampires that was religious. It seemd to contribute to him being whiney.
"The Vampire Armand" is Trek-like as it deals with bringing a character clearly dead right back to life for no reason at all, and completely undermining that character's death in "Memnoch The Devil".
Early on, Rice had tried to bring across the notion that the bloodtaking is the most erotic thing ever to be experienced; even above sex. Also, the "no sex" clause helps her vampire myth fall into the Isis and Orsiris legend.Back on Topic (sort of) -- one of the weeknesses that has alwasy turned me off of Anne Rice's vamps is that the guys can't get it up anymore. Who wants to be an immortal chick magnent when all you're going to do is suck their blood?
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Thanks for the feedback on Alucard from the Manga. I have only seen the first six episodes of Hellsing that are on DVD in English, but I will probably check out the Manga.
I assumed Alucard had the ability to raise ghouls because most vampires of lesser caliber(such as the priest in the first episode) can. By the way, what did you mean when you said that Seras wasn't quite a vampire? She was taken in the normal method. As for the Valentine brothers, they were only chipped vampires, not the supernatural kind, so it is reasonable to believe that sunlight didn't affect them.
I can imagine Blade attacking Alucard, when suddenly Alucard takes demonic form and tears his head off.
I also thought that when Alucard was unlocking his power, it wasn't that he COULDN'T unlock it without Integra, it was just that he wouldn't unlock it without her permission.
Alucard uses a gun because it is more of a challenge than for him to just use his supernatural powers. Also, at least once in the first six episodes, he walks through the wall into Integra's office, and after he kills this one vampire women who is having advances made on her by a man in the dark, he disappears.
I assumed Alucard had the ability to raise ghouls because most vampires of lesser caliber(such as the priest in the first episode) can. By the way, what did you mean when you said that Seras wasn't quite a vampire? She was taken in the normal method. As for the Valentine brothers, they were only chipped vampires, not the supernatural kind, so it is reasonable to believe that sunlight didn't affect them.
I can imagine Blade attacking Alucard, when suddenly Alucard takes demonic form and tears his head off.
I also thought that when Alucard was unlocking his power, it wasn't that he COULDN'T unlock it without Integra, it was just that he wouldn't unlock it without her permission.
Alucard uses a gun because it is more of a challenge than for him to just use his supernatural powers. Also, at least once in the first six episodes, he walks through the wall into Integra's office, and after he kills this one vampire women who is having advances made on her by a man in the dark, he disappears.
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I am really glad I didn't pick that one up.Lord Poe wrote: Man, I'm sorry I ever picked it up. It is VERY graphic in its depiction of young boys being sexually..."handled" by grown men. Pure crap.
I picked up the one about Marius in a moment of weakness. I haven't read it yet. I also think I have The Vampire Vittorrio around here someplace. Haven't read it yet either. Oh, I just rememberd. I think part of the reason I picked up the book about Marius is that its supposed to have the Talamasca more active in it, but then I may be confusing books.Lord Poe wrote: I don't know what Rice is doing anymore. His story (AND Marius' ) has been covered extensively in the past Vampite Chronicles. She just keep retreading old ground. I understand a new VC is coming out (or is out) about Marius' rise to being a vampire. Shit, wasn't that COVERED in "The Vampire Lestat"?
"The Vampire Armand" is Trek-like as it deals with bringing a character clearly dead right back to life for no reason at all, and completely undermining that character's death in "Memnoch The Devil".
That sucks that they brought Armand back. I'm somewhat interested in how and why but after what you mentioned about the book I really don't want to read it.
Lord Poe wrote: Early on, Rice had tried to bring across the notion that the bloodtaking is the most erotic thing ever to be experienced; even above sex. Also, the "no sex" clause helps her vampire myth fall into the Isis and Orsiris legend.
I didn't catch the link to the Isis and Osirus myths, that's kind of cool in a way. Still, I don't think she ever sold me on the "eroticness" of bloodtaking in her vamp books. Anyway, I've really only ever liked her vamp books that focus on Lestat. Interview with a Vampire was soo depressing that Lestat's attitude was what made the next 4 books fun. Interview was okay, it was why I read Lestat, but it really was depressing compared to her books about Lestat.
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Meier Link from Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust. Had his head cut in half by another supernatural, and came back to go toe to toe with D himself for a little while. Was able to withstand the pain and burning of sunlight and getting shot by several arrows, without screaming like a little girl. Not as overpowered as VtM ancient ones, but very badass in his own right.
Alternatively, the new type of vamp seen in the latest Buffy seemed pretty cool. It wouldn't last long against a decent supernatural menace, but pretty good in its own universe.
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I was wondering when someone was gonna mention the Antideluvians and the Methusela. They are damn powerful....But I'd rather have Cain on my side personally . And watch as all other vampires go away.Stormbringer wrote:The master Vampire from the novel Vampire$ of which Vampires is a bastard adaptation. Now that sunuvabitch was bad ass.
But an Antiveludan or Methusela from Vampire: The Masquerade would probably be even more powerful. They are supposed to be god like, in fact some are supposed to have been worshipped as gods.
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The thing that pissed me off about the Vampire Armand, wasn't the homoerotic parts (which there were a lot of), but what a complete pussy Armand was with Lestat. Pre-Akasha era, Armand should have been capable of poundin' that little hat-fucker into the ground but didn't. Armand is my favourite Vampire, mainly because he is a 'lost soul'.
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I thought Lestat was at least a little more powerful than Armand when they first met because the old vampire who made Lestat gave all his power to Lestat and had never made a vampire previously?Crown wrote:The thing that pissed me off about the Vampire Armand, wasn't the homoerotic parts (which there were a lot of), but what a complete pussy Armand was with Lestat. Pre-Akasha era, Armand should have been capable of poundin' that little hat-fucker into the ground but didn't. Armand is my favourite Vampire, mainly because he is a 'lost soul'.
But, like I said before, I haven't read the book about Armand so I don't know if he was holding back (like Lestat was supposedly doing in Interview). Armond was very religous still when Lestat met him so it's concievable that he wouldn't be all that in to using his abilities.
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The Reapers from Blade 2 kick ass. Strong and fast as per usual. Silver, garlic and holy items don't work. They have a thick bone shield around there heart which is strong enough to stop bullets and blades silver sword, apart from at the side where it is a bit weaker. The only sure fire way to kill them is sunlight.
Also, isn't Blade a vampire, or a half-vampire? He's pretty damn hard.
And on a final note, why do all the vampires in Buffy suddenly learn martial arts between them being killed and rising up?
Also, isn't Blade a vampire, or a half-vampire? He's pretty damn hard.
And on a final note, why do all the vampires in Buffy suddenly learn martial arts between them being killed and rising up?
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Right, and what mage is going to be reckless enough to risk the kind of paradox that's going to result from vulgar magick on that scale?Sriad wrote:I don't know who exactly to vote for here as far as the contest goes, but Alucard has the best music.
I don't see why everyone's so damn impressed by V:tM's so-called badasses. All they really needed to do was bring in a master of Correspondance and have him open a portal next to the Antediluvian to the core of the sun for about a microsecond.beyond hope wrote:As far as Vampire: the Masquerade goes, antediluvian vampires are badasses. One of them recently woke up in one of the "Year of the Reckoning" suppliments... it took a simultaneous assault by all the were-critters in the area, all the local mages, and neutron bombs and orbital mirrors throwing intensified sunlight from the Technocracy onto the area to finally kill the thing. If memory serves, the battle lasted two or three days straight.
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And on a final note, why do all the vampires in Buffy suddenly learn martial arts between them being killed and rising up?
Good question. They actually made a joke about that this season. Not that they answered the question though.
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The vamps from Buffy upon becoming vampires, get a demon come into their body, which increases strength. speed etc.
Most combat done on the show is just basic moves just faster possible due to vampire lack of fear. Although older vampires like Spike, Angel etc learn over time.
I think the Reapers would be the most powerful though, but if we gave Spike the Gem of Amara...
Most combat done on the show is just basic moves just faster possible due to vampire lack of fear. Although older vampires like Spike, Angel etc learn over time.
I think the Reapers would be the most powerful though, but if we gave Spike the Gem of Amara...
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Yeah but, Armand was made by Marius when he was 1500 years old, who had also been sucking blood from Akasha all that time. And not to mention that Armand was also at least as old as Lestat's maker, and also hadn't made anyone at that point. No matter which way you slice it, Armand should have put the smack down on Lestat easily.Tsyroc wrote:I thought Lestat was at least a little more powerful than Armand when they first met because the old vampire who made Lestat gave all his power to Lestat and had never made a vampire previously?Crown wrote:The thing that pissed me off about the Vampire Armand, wasn't the homoerotic parts (which there were a lot of), but what a complete pussy Armand was with Lestat. Pre-Akasha era, Armand should have been capable of poundin' that little hat-fucker into the ground but didn't. Armand is my favourite Vampire, mainly because he is a 'lost soul'.
But, like I said before, I haven't read the book about Armand so I don't know if he was holding back (like Lestat was supposedly doing in Interview). Armond was very religous still when Lestat met him so it's concievable that he wouldn't be all that in to using his abilities.
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I was wondering why Armand was considered one of the Ancients in the Queen of the Damned movie. I had always figured that he wasn't that much older than Lestat but I had not read the book about him.Crown wrote: Yeah but, Armand was made by Marius when he was 1500 years old, who had also been sucking blood from Akasha all that time. And not to mention that Armand was also at least as old as Lestat's maker, and also hadn't made anyone at that point. No matter which way you slice it, Armand should have put the smack down on Lestat easily.
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He would have been around 300 years older than Lestat. I can't remember at any point where anyone considered Armand an ancient though?
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