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Well, I think it's obvious...apocolypse wrote:And while I'm at it, what the fuck is it with this continuing underlying belief that Saxton somehow snuck info into the ICS without approval or some such? How would such a feat even be possible?
It won't, but the fucktards will pretend it does. It's exactly like the way they pretend the movies don't support astronomical power generation for SW ships, as if they honestly never saw the Death Star.apocolypse wrote:Really, wtf is wrong with these people. There's no clue as to what shape this revised ICS is going to take. Even if hypothetically speaking the weapons yields and such were omitted, how the hell is that supposed to invalidate the stand-alone copies?
It's "possible" when you're an ignorant kiddie and you don't understand how publishing or any other real job works. They probably think the ICS was published like the high school student newspaper.And while I'm at it, what the fuck is it with this continuing underlying belief that Saxton somehow snuck info into the ICS without approval or some such? How would such a feat even be possible?
I know a lot of it has to do with a heavily edited quote from me here. After Dr Saxton explained the methodology to me, I relayed it here, talking about how we can gague the performance of certain ships by the fact that they can engage otehr ships we have more evidence for. Bobby took it, clipped out a chunk of the sentence so that it said the exact opposite of what I was saying, and started proclaiming Dr Saxton just started making things up.apocolypse wrote: And while I'm at it, what the fuck is it with this continuing underlying belief that Saxton somehow snuck info into the ICS without approval or some such? How would such a feat even be possible?
Almost forgot about that. Do we have a comparison? Do you have the link to your post here?Ender wrote:I know a lot of it has to do with a heavily edited quote from me here. After Dr Saxton explained the methodology to me, I relayed it here, talking about how we can gague the performance of certain ships by the fact that they can engage otehr ships we have more evidence for. Bobby took it, clipped out a chunk of the sentence so that it said the exact opposite of what I was saying, and started proclaiming Dr Saxton just started making things up.apocolypse wrote: And while I'm at it, what the fuck is it with this continuing underlying belief that Saxton somehow snuck info into the ICS without approval or some such? How would such a feat even be possible?
Don't know. The same way we got a 3 million men strong clone-army?apocolypse wrote: And while I'm at it, what the fuck is it with this continuing underlying belief that Saxton somehow snuck info into the ICS without approval or some such?
How would such a feat even be possible?
Ah. I'd heard about a quote that Scooter took from you and purposefully skewed on his website, but I didn't know it had to do with this. I'll have to go take a look at his site and see if I can find the rewrite. Thanks.Ender wrote:I know a lot of it has to do with a heavily edited quote from me here. After Dr Saxton explained the methodology to me, I relayed it here, talking about how we can gague the performance of certain ships by the fact that they can engage otehr ships we have more evidence for. Bobby took it, clipped out a chunk of the sentence so that it said the exact opposite of what I was saying, and started proclaiming Dr Saxton just started making things up.apocolypse wrote: And while I'm at it, what the fuck is it with this continuing underlying belief that Saxton somehow snuck info into the ICS without approval or some such? How would such a feat even be possible?
I take it you mean 'is shown to deliver more firepower than ISDs are. While the refusal to accept 200GT MTLs is moderately confusing given that kind of firepower is EASILY in line with what downscaling from the Alderaan incident will get you (as Mike pointed out), the idea that Slave 1 outguns an ISD is ludicrous.Lord Poe wrote:And remember, a bounty hunter's ship can deliver more firepower than an ISD!
He's being sarcastic. Remember the AOTC asteroid chase? That's what he's referring to.Batman wrote:I take it you mean 'is shown to deliver more firepower than ISDs are. While the refusal to accept 200GT MTLs is moderately confusing given that kind of firepower is EASILY in line with what downscaling from the Alderaan incident will get you (as Mike pointed out), the idea that Slave 1 outguns an ISD is ludicrous.Lord Poe wrote:And remember, a bounty hunter's ship can deliver more firepower than an ISD!
Oh, but it's special. Yup, that's the ticket.Darth Wong wrote:As a side-note, I'm really fucking tired of all the goddamned idiots and assholes who keep saying that nothing in the film supports 200 GT turbolasers. Did they honestly not see the fucking Death Star? Are they honestly so goddamned stupid that they can't see how powerful that shit is, even if you scale it down to the size of a Pinto?
Hell, you could even totally ignore the onscreen Alderaan blast, go with the bare-minimum 2.4E32 J figure for an Alderaan explosion that takes hours to unfold, and you'd still have even a comically small 3 metre wide micro-Death Star putting out a 377 megaton blast.
Are these people allergic to math? Are they just fucking idiots? Do they honestly think that if they don't use that kind of firepower all the time or in every type of weapon they make, they must not be capable of it?
Not allergic to math, just incapable of admitting anything. Literally you'll see the claim that Alderaan is either not a Earth Sized planet, or RSA classic chain reaction. Anything and everything to completely avoid the fact that what they saw is what they saw.Darth Wong wrote:As a side-note, I'm really fucking tired of all the goddamned idiots and assholes who keep saying that nothing in the film supports 200 GT turbolasers. Did they honestly not see the fucking Death Star? Are they honestly so goddamned stupid that they can't see how powerful that shit is, even if you scale it down to the size of a Pinto?
Hell, you could even totally ignore the onscreen Alderaan blast, go with the bare-minimum 2.4E32 J figure for an Alderaan explosion that takes hours to unfold, and you'd still have even a comically small 3 metre wide micro-Death Star putting out a 377 megaton blast.
Are these people allergic to math? Are they just fucking idiots? Do they honestly think that if they don't use that kind of firepower all the time or in every type of weapon they make, they must not be capable of it?
I'd suggest finding a picture of one of the Muppets in a professor uniform while the explanation breaks this down in the simplest, most elementary way possible.Gstone wrote:Of course, because everything goes back to Wong. If it wasn't for him, Darkstar never would have made the arguments he posted on Wong's board, never would have made his site. So, naturally, we wouldn't be the brainless acolytes that treat him like he's the second coming and the be all and end all of the Trek/Wars debate.
And since we all know that 40,000 tons of fuel per second is perfectly logical (no matter the state of matter it's in) for a ship of the Republic's SD volume, Saxton must have just forgotten to include the space-time warp inside the SD to put it all in there (because the storage tanks are larger on the inside than the outside) because he's really the only one with any kind of degree. He's the only scientist that matters with Wong coming in second, but Saxton is more important because he's "basically determining what is and what isn't Star Wars".
Nothing's changed about that douchebag. All his arguments are simply the equivalent of that sort of snide scoffing. You need only look at his idiotic "even if we say the Death Star is DET [no, I'm not a mindless scooter cockgoblin for even suggesting that isn't, I swear] there's no way if you scale it down you get 200GT! ... Because ... erm ... just ... Because!"Lord Poe wrote: I'd suggest finding a picture of one of the Muppets in a professor uniform while the explanation breaks this down in the simplest, most elementary way possible.
=snicker= I love how Scooter and co. get their panties in a bunch when Scoot's theory is referred to as "Magical Chain Reaction", or MCR!Vympel wrote:Nothing's changed about that douchebag. All his arguments are simply the equivalent of that sort of snide scoffing. You need only look at his idiotic "even if we say the Death Star is DET [no, I'm not a mindless scooter cockgoblin for even suggesting that isn't, I swear] there's no way if you scale it down you get 200GT! ... Because ... erm ... just ... Because!"
So I'm to blame for RSA?Lord Poe wrote:Ok Mike, here's a great argument for you to dissect:Gstone wrote:Of course, because everything goes back to Wong. If it wasn't for him, Darkstar never would have made the arguments he posted on Wong's board, never would have made his site. So, naturally, we wouldn't be the brainless acolytes that treat him like he's the second coming and the be all and end all of the Trek/Wars debate.
Ah yes, appeal to personal incredulity and assumption that the ship constantly runs at peak power.And since we all know that 40,000 tons of fuel per second is perfectly logical (no matter the state of matter it's in) for a ship of the Republic's SD volume,
Perhaps this idiot could provide the lists of scientists and engineers on their side of the fence then, since he seems to think that we don't have enough on our side. After all, we've only got real-life military officers, physicists, doctors, astrophysicists, nuclear technicians, mechanical engineers ... obviously we're nowhere near as qualified as a helpdesk operator and his kiddie friends.Saxton must have just forgotten to include the space-time warp inside the SD to put it all in there (because the storage tanks are larger on the inside than the outside) because he's really the only one with any kind of degree. He's the only scientist that matters with Wong coming in second, but Saxton is more important because he's "basically determining what is and what isn't Star Wars".
Given precedent, if anything happens at all, they'll change the databoxes so they're a consistent format throughout all the entries- OT, TPM, AotC, RotS. This will result at most in some of the explicit AotC:ICS figures from being removed, but no new numbers (except the most basic ones for OT ships) or anything contradictory. That's just a Trektard wet-dream.Kane Starkiller wrote:What's funny is how these guys declare that if the new ICS posts any numbers that disagree with ICS then the old one is automatically wrong.
Naturally.Of course if, God forbid, the new ICS actually states some numbers which agree with EP2 or EP3 ICS I'd bet good money that they will just shrug it off and say that ICS series doesn't count anyway so it doesn't matter.
It's not supposed to count now, so why all the hoopla?Vympel wrote:Naturally.Of course if, God forbid, the new ICS actually states some numbers which agree with EP2 or EP3 ICS I'd bet good money that they will just shrug it off and say that ICS series doesn't count anyway so it doesn't matter.
Indeed. More recently, the outrageous minimalism of the EU was highlightened in the Traviss vs. the Prequels case. 3,000,000 EU clones fighting a movie Galactic war. Outrageous. Like that "Executor bankrupted the Empire" bullshit from EU (did they listen to Han Solo when he aid "the Empire has plenty of flagships" not being worried in the slightest by the presence of Executor near Endor, or were they on drugs as usual?)...I find it funny that they claim 'the EU is wank' when the OT alone blows most of the EU
KT's bit of the troops is hilarious on it's own...but a far better point is not Han's statement, but the RoTJ and SW itself. If the Executor was every near bankrupting the Empire, then explain the Death Star. Honestly it makes you wonder if KJA watched the movies.Stas Bush wrote:Indeed. More recently, the outrageous minimalism of the EU was highlightened in the Traviss vs. the Prequels case. 3,000,000 EU clones fighting a movie Galactic war. Outrageous. Like that "Executor bankrupted the Empire" bullshit from EU (did they listen to Han Solo when he aid "the Empire has plenty of flagships" not being worried in the slightest by the presence of Executor near Endor, or were they on drugs as usual?)...I find it funny that they claim 'the EU is wank' when the OT alone blows most of the EU
Strangely enough, the Suncrusher wasn't the most wankish thing. The Jedi Twins and Kyp the wonder dog in KJA's bit were far, far worse in literally upstaging Luke as gods of the Force.The only thing that EU had "wankish" was the Suncrusher, but it was a lame technobabble plot device anyway. Just as KJA always does.
