Midichlorian Counts

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-11-02 10:00pm

Is there a chart released or perhaps approved by Lucasfilms on the midichlorian counts of major Star Wars characters? I have a feeling SuperShadow's may not be that accurate...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-11-02 10:03pm

No there isn't.

SuperSshadow's list is a complete and total fabrication on his part.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-11-02 10:12pm

Well what do we know from the films and trusted canon sources? It is stated directly in TPM that Anakin's > Yoda's. Is that all we can discern?

SCRawl · Post by **SCRawl** » 2006-11-02 10:15pm

Cos Dashit wrote:Well what do we know from the films and trusted canon sources? It is stated directly in TPM that Anakin's > Yoda's. Is that all we can discern?

I'd say that it's strongly implied that, at least in terms of midichlorian counts, Anakin > Yoda > any other Jedi.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-11-02 10:19pm

SCRawl wrote:
Cos Dashit wrote:Well what do we know from the films and trusted canon sources? It is stated directly in TPM that Anakin's > Yoda's. Is that all we can discern?
I'd say that it's strongly implied that, at least in terms of midichlorian counts, Anakin > Yoda > any other Jedi.

And what of the Sith?

SCRawl · Post by **SCRawl** » 2006-11-02 10:41pm

Cos Dashit wrote:
SCRawl wrote:
Cos Dashit wrote:Well what do we know from the films and trusted canon sources? It is stated directly in TPM that Anakin's > Yoda's. Is that all we can discern?
I'd say that it's strongly implied that, at least in terms of midichlorian counts, Anakin > Yoda > any other Jedi.
And what of the Sith?

My guess is that they don't often show up for midichlorian screenings at the Jedi clinic.

Ziggy Stardust · Post by **Ziggy Stardust** » 2006-11-03 12:26am

I doubt the midichlorian counts of Sith are that disparate from that of Jedi. Count Dooku, for example, is never noted as having a particularly high midichlorian count as a Jedi, but was a quite powerful Sith Lord.

freker · Post by **freker** » 2006-11-03 02:39am

but dooku was said to be a strong jedi master before he left the order.
also according to the noverlisation of "revenge of the sith" he was said to have powers in the range of anakin; Mace Windu considders this after Anakin has landed the separatist flagship

CDiehl · Post by **CDiehl** » 2006-11-03 03:34am

Could it be that the magic number is only one of many factors that determines how successful a person is at using the Force? It's possible Dooku, and most Jedi and Sith became a skillful Force-user through experience, hard work, and desire, like in real life. Midichlorians seem to be just a measure of potential, not an absolute limit on one's ability to understand and use the Force. I'd love it if it turned out that most of the Jedi Council had low to middling midi-counts, and there were guys with Anakin-level counts working in the lunch room because they got lazy.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2006-11-03 07:58am

CDiehl, I think most of us here agree with you.

Ryushikaze · Post by **Ryushikaze** » 2006-11-03 10:53am

Personally, I'd love to see a guy who has extremely high mid count, but no force aptitude. He's just naturally damn healthy.

Basically, I want it to be demonstrated that Midi count and Force potential are generally correlated, but definitely not causative of each other.

Dark lord Revan2007 · Post by **Dark lord Revan2007** » 2006-11-03 02:36pm

its funny, anakin beat the count for the emperor by like 5000. and the emperor wouldnt have been so powerful without the kysar dragon stone, so technically, from what i know, unless wrong, the emperor may be very weak without the stone.

SCRawl · Post by **SCRawl** » 2006-11-03 02:42pm

Dark lord Revan2007 wrote:its funny, anakin beat the count for the emperor by like 5000. and the emperor wouldnt have been so powerful without the kysar dragon stone, so technically, from what i know, unless wrong, the emperor may be very weak without the stone.

Yeah, I'm getting the impression that you're using a source for your information that's pretty low in terms of official support. As the OP states, we're looking for something from Lucasfilms, and my understanding is that no such chart exists.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2006-11-03 03:22pm

Why whatever gave you that idea, the fact that Super Shadow lists Chewbacca as eligible for Jedi Training or the fact that he listed Anakin and Vader as having the same count despite being severely weakened.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2006-11-03 03:22pm

Dark lord Revan2007 wrote:its funny, anakin beat the count for the emperor by like 5000. and the emperor wouldnt have been so powerful without the kysar dragon stone, so technically, from what i know, unless wrong, the emperor may be very weak without the stone.

Try to distinguish between real official sources and somebody's fanfic. I searched both Wookieepedia and the CUSWE, and I haven't found this "kysar dragon stone" of yours. If you got it from SuperShadow, realize that he's full of shit.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-11-03 04:14pm

Dark lord Revan2007 wrote:its funny, anakin beat the count for the emperor by like 5000. and the emperor wouldnt have been so powerful without the kysar dragon stone, so technically, from what i know, unless wrong, the emperor may be very weak without the stone.

Do you have a source for these at all? And what is a "kysar dragon stone"?

General Schatten wrote:Why whatever gave you that idea, the fact that Super Shadow lists Chewbacca as eligible for Jedi Training or the fact that he listed Anakin and Vader as having the same count despite being severely weakened.

Do keep in mind that Dark Lord at least heavily implies that Vader has the same potential as Anakin, and the difference in "strength" between the two incarnations is purely psychological.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2006-11-03 05:05pm

Psychological limitations do have that ability to manifest in physical limitations, as well.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-11-03 05:12pm

General Schatten wrote:Psychological limitations do have that ability to manifest in physical limitations, as well.

This a poor dodge. So do you have anything other then speculation to counter Surlethe?

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2006-11-04 02:28am

It's not a counter, I'm actually agreeing in a way, basically Vader is like someone with a very limited self-esteem who doesn't try his hardest and therefore limits himself. Essentially, I'm saying both view points are equally valid, one just happens to be caused by the other.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-11-04 07:44am

General Schatten wrote:It's not a counter, I'm actually agreeing in a way, basically Vader is like someone with a very limited self-esteem who doesn't try his hardest and therefore limits himself. Essentially, I'm saying both view points are equally valid, one just happens to be caused by the other.

Both viewpoints are not equally valid; one requires assuming that his psychological damage afflicted his potential capabilities, and the other does not and instead simply attributes his decrease in ability to his psychological problems.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2006-11-04 01:01pm

Doesn't Sidous say in Dark Lord, something to the effect that he will have to help Vader get over his physicological limitations that the defeat from Obi Wan caused? Also Vader and Anakin have the same blood, if not the same amounts. The Midi count is per cell, not per quart, IIRC.

SCRawl · Post by **SCRawl** » 2006-11-04 01:15pm

havokeff wrote:Also Vader and Anakin have the same blood, if not the same amounts. The Midi count is per cell, not per quart, IIRC.

First of all, we have no idea of the mechanism, if any, by which midichlorians make a person capable of using the Force. Secondly, if indeed it is the blood which important, Anakin's truncated body will have less blood -- and therefore fewer blood cells -- than before Obi-Wan's impromptu surgery.

(I'm not convinced that Vader is any less Force-capable than Anakin, or if he is, that it's at all due to fewer midichlorians in his body.)

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2006-11-04 01:29pm

Bring on the Hutt-Jedi.

Not many midichlorians per cell, I'll admit, but all their body-cells combined ...

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2006-11-04 02:49pm

FTeik wrote:Bring on the Hutt-Jedi.

Will this do?

Dark lord Revan2007 · Post by **Dark lord Revan2007** » 2006-11-08 08:09pm

i was surfing in school once, and i found a chart of all the major characters and their M counts. it's really surprising. i think, if i remember, chewbaca could have been a padawan. let me look for it and post it. it's so cool. like, anakin is like so much, so much stronger than the emperor. and i wonder how obi wan escaped when his count is pretty low. and mace, man, he's weak. the only thing he's good at his saberplay