Moderator: NecronLord
Really ?This round will very likely not penetrate stormie armor, despite its high density.
Nope, it's not possible to see, but given the size of the lump of dura-crete, or ferro-crete or whatever it is, and other debris flying from the impact point it might be something like .3m to .5m crater, if that was normal concrete/steel mix it'd required maybe 8MJ of energy to do that.white_rabbit wrote:Its very pretty.
whats the hole like after ?
You have some before and after pics of blaster impacts I think...??
Actually, the worst I saw was an arrow hitting a scout-trooper in the neck where there wasn't any armor, other than that every instance of attacking the stormies didn't do more than stun temporarily them at most.JediNeophyte wrote:Well, to get back on topic, it has been demonstrated that Space Marines can survive the presented amount of thermal stress, fairly easily. However, we still do not have an accurate picture on what a bolter will do to a clonetrooper. Now, it has been stated (in a Zahn novel, IIRC) that stormtrooper armor is essentially "bulletproof", i.e., most slugs will not penetrate the armor. However, in RotJ, we see stormtroopers being incapacitated, if not killed, by arrows, bolas, and thrown rocks. If we put 2 and 2 together, this would imply that stormie armor, while good at deflecting projectiles, does not absorb impacts very well. I believe we can all agree that clonetroopers armor ~= stormtrooper armor.
If the Ewok weapons could only stun temporarily, how could a handful of Rebels defeat "an entire legion of my best troops"? Granted they managed to capture an AT-ST and do significant damage, but surely all those stormtroopers could have overwhelmed the Rebels if they were only temporarily stunned.His Divine Shadow wrote:Actually, the worst I saw was an arrow hitting a scout-trooper in the neck where there wasn't any armor, other than that every instance of attacking the stormies didn't do more than stun temporarily them at most.JediNeophyte wrote:Well, to get back on topic, it has been demonstrated that Space Marines can survive the presented amount of thermal stress, fairly easily. However, we still do not have an accurate picture on what a bolter will do to a clonetrooper. Now, it has been stated (in a Zahn novel, IIRC) that stormtrooper armor is essentially "bulletproof", i.e., most slugs will not penetrate the armor. However, in RotJ, we see stormtroopers being incapacitated, if not killed, by arrows, bolas, and thrown rocks. If we put 2 and 2 together, this would imply that stormie armor, while good at deflecting projectiles, does not absorb impacts very well. I believe we can all agree that clonetroopers armor ~= stormtrooper armor.
That was a spaceport, and likely made of higher-quality materials.white_rabbit wrote:hey, just remembered isnt the standard Tatooine construction material just crushed sandstone and some sort of adhesive.., it's ferrocrete or duracrete, which I believe are the same things, and I did post what kinda stuff they made with that material, whee.
in the novelisation IIRC..
Why ?JediNeophyte wrote:That was a spaceport, and likely made of higher-quality materials.white_rabbit wrote:hey, just remembered isnt the standard Tatooine construction material just crushed sandstone and some sort of adhesive.., it's ferrocrete or duracrete, which I believe are the same things, and I did post what kinda stuff they made with that material, whee.
in the novelisation IIRC..
I'm only telling you what I saw on the screen.JediNeophyte wrote:If the Ewok weapons could only stun temporarily, how could a handful of Rebels defeat "an entire legion of my best troops"? Granted they managed to capture an AT-ST and do significant damage, but surely all those stormtroopers could have overwhelmed the Rebels if they were only temporarily stunned.
I don't rememeber hearing anything like that, though I'll check, but AFAIK the standard construction material is dura/ferro-crete.white_rabbit wrote:hey, just remembered isnt the standard Tatooine construction material just crushed sandstone and some sort of adhesive..
in the novelisation IIRC..
Im not sure, but isnt Duracrete itself usually dependent on local materials.His Divine Shadow wrote:I don't rememeber hearing anything like that, though I'll check, but AFAIK the standard construction material is dura/ferro-crete.white_rabbit wrote:hey, just remembered isnt the standard Tatooine construction material just crushed sandstone and some sort of adhesive..
in the novelisation IIRC..
Quite soxiophen wrote:Only question is considering how duable the systems own enhacned actuators are to the KE damage dealt? Sucks that GW choose not to over elaborate fluff with presice numbers.NecronLord wrote:One shot to the chest from a clone rifle will kill a human even if he is wearing power armour. It will send him flying a few feet and cause blunt force trauma and KE transfer, which will shred his organs. Technically roman armour is bulletproof (most rounded bullets at any rate) however I would not enjoy testing that resistance, due to the reasons above) The SM's may have Genetically enhanced muscles and ligaments, but a double tap from a clone rifle on full will kill them.His Divine Shadow wrote:A blaster impact at 8MJ(which is a lowend) might not kill a SM but the force of the explosion on the ceramic(cheramics will react in that way) outer layer would probably knock him down and multiple shots might penetrate and do damage to the wearer and internal systems.
Actually Dante has lead the blood angels for !.1k year fluff, Azreal doesn't have any solid age set. Magnus Calgar is 600, Logan is 900+. these are the fluff examples. check each Sm codex for said numbers *the 2nd ed actually gives better fluff for chracters* the average life expectancie I think was written in the the Angels of death codex as being arround 200 - 300 yeats in age again. the clones and everyone short of yoda has a fraction of the expeirence of a SM the biggest difference is that at this Point war is more a theory inSW that becoming a reality in 40k its been a constant for 10k years and said chapters have been fighting constantly for the entirety of those 10k years.[/quote]Bullshit. 1K is very very old for a SMSomeone else wrote:As far as combat experinece anything short of a jedi is going to end up lacking considering that even raw recruit Sm in power armor have 20+ year of training and combat experince. when it comes to commanders well yoda is a young pup to most chapters commanders who unlike yoda have fought one war after another for arround 1k years
Won't help them, The KE has to go somewhere, most likely into them.His Divine Shadow wrote:White rabbit said they had interial dampeners and gyro's and stuff for that, SM power armor anyway.NecronLord wrote:One shot to the chest from a clone rifle will kill a human even if he is wearing power armour. It will send him flying a few feet and cause blunt force trauma and KE transfer, which will shred his organs. Technically roman armour is bulletproof (most rounded bullets at any rate) however I would not enjoy testing that resistance, due to the reasons above) The SM's may have Genetically enhanced muscles and ligaments, but a double tap from a clone rifle on full will kill them.
Where do you get this depleted DU claim from anyway? I just looked in the 40K rulebook it is a Depleted Dueterium Core.white_rabbit wrote:Really ?This round will very likely not penetrate stormie armor, despite its high density.
and why...exactly is this..Bolter rounds clearly have plenty of KE, they can occasionally pass completely through the torsos of several humans before exploding and have a nice small, armour piercing tip with the fore mentioned DU core.
Torsos of 'plenty' of humans isn't saying much at all. Everything from pistols to automatic cannons (above 20mm) can do this depending on the circumstances. This is why I mentioned calcs dammit!Really ?
and why...exactly is this..Bolter rounds clearly have plenty of KE, they can occasionally pass completely through the torsos of several humans before exploding and have a nice small, armour piercing tip with the fore mentioned DU core.
Torsos of 'plenty' of humans isn't saying much at all. Everything from pistols to automatic cannons (above 20mm) can do this depending on the circumstances. This is why I mentioned calcs dammit!Really ?
and why...exactly is this..Bolter rounds clearly have plenty of KE, they can occasionally pass completely through the torsos of several humans before exploding and have a nice small, armour piercing tip with the fore mentioned DU core.
Well by the 40k BBB page 60Vympel wrote:Torsos of 'plenty' of humans isn't saying much at all. Everything from pistols to automatic cannons (above 20mm) can do this depending on the circumstances. This is why I mentioned calcs dammit!Really ?
and why...exactly is this..Bolter rounds clearly have plenty of KE, they can occasionally pass completely through the torsos of several humans before exploding and have a nice small, armour piercing tip with the fore mentioned DU core.
Since when does an 'armor piercing' tip mean that it can penetrate all armor? A WW2 vintage Tiger II tank has 'armor piercing' rounds, that doesn't mean it has a chance in hell of penetrating an M1A2 Abrams.
Why not? If it wasn't it ought to have said to, instead it's reffered to as one of the prime building materials in Coruscant, and it's foundation is said to be a massive slate of ferro-crete, after 90.000 years any conventional material should have collapsed, and we know the lowest levels of Coruscant have never recieved any real maintenance either.white_rabbit wrote:why ?
His Divine Shadow wrote:You don't mean Deuterium do you???NecronLord wrote:Where do you get this depleted DU claim from anyway? I just looked in the 40K rulebook it is a Depleted Dueterium Core.
