Kill a Sith lord
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Just how common knowledge IS Jedi and Sith lore among the common populace in the SW universe anyway? Would the average mercenary from some outlying system, for example, have anything approaching reasonable knowledge of a Sith Lord's weaknesses? There seems to be a hell of a lot of misdirection and misinformation among the citizens of that galaxy - I mean, a drug dealer on Coruscant of all places either didn't recognize a Jedi or figured it would be reasonable to try to sell narcotics to them. And most other people - a slave kid in bumfuck nowhere, most of the Geonosians in the arena and the Neimodians - reacted in large part as though Jedi were nigh invulnerable.
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Combination of Biological and Chemical Weapons. Preferably stuff I have the antidote for in me already.
And yes, I would carry around biological and chemical weapons if I was a Star Wars assassin, thank you very much. They don't have to be big you know.
A nice 'take out the building' thermodetonator would also do wonders. Problem is, in an inhabited area, that could lead to expensive, and criminal, colatoral damage.
Do I have time to hire just a few thugs to try to mug him, thereby distracting him for a shot from a Concussion Rifle or Flecthette weapon?
Sesmic Charge or other high powered explosive
Inhabited area:
Combination of Biological and Chemical Weapons. Preferably stuff I have the antidote for in me already.
And yes, I would carry around biological and chemical weapons if I was a Star Wars assassin, thank you very much. They don't have to be big you know.
A nice 'take out the building' thermodetonator would also do wonders. Problem is, in an inhabited area, that could lead to expensive, and criminal, colatoral damage.
Do I have time to hire just a few thugs to try to mug him, thereby distracting him for a shot from a Concussion Rifle or Flecthette weapon?
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Actually given the sheer secrecy behind the Sith, and the utter denial by the Order at the time of TPM, the Sith are pretty much at best, myths. With Jedi you might have more knowledge since even Anakin recognized them, but with regards of a heavy romantic view, the Sith are only semi recognized when they all but annouce themselves(TPM) and if they don't say a word...no one but the Jedi seem to know and perhaps their associates they demm to tell(the Emperor was never known as a Sith Lord.).Lagmonster wrote:Just how common knowledge IS Jedi and Sith lore among the common populace in the SW universe anyway? Would the average mercenary from some outlying system, for example, have anything approaching reasonable knowledge of a Sith Lord's weaknesses? There seems to be a hell of a lot of misdirection and misinformation among the citizens of that galaxy - I mean, a drug dealer on Coruscant of all places either didn't recognize a Jedi or figured it would be reasonable to try to sell narcotics to them. And most other people - a slave kid in bumfuck nowhere, most of the Geonosians in the arena and the Neimodians - reacted in large part as though Jedi were nigh invulnerable.
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Anakin only recognized Qui-Gonn because he noticed the Jedi's lightsabre as it was momentarily exposed (IIRC, Qui-Gonn had it on, but underneath an item of clothing). So, lightsabres are common knowledge in the galaxy, but if a Jedi's not wearing it openly, it's quite possible he'd go unrecognized, even if he's wearing the traditional order clothes.Ghost Rider wrote:With Jedi you might have more knowledge since even Anakin recognized them
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That much is true, the Jedi identity at learge seems to be synonymous with the Lightsaber. In most literature I believe they still follow this thought.Surlethe wrote:Anakin only recognized Qui-Gonn because he noticed the Jedi's lightsabre as it was momentarily exposed (IIRC, Qui-Gonn had it on, but underneath an item of clothing). So, lightsabres are common knowledge in the galaxy, but if a Jedi's not wearing it openly, it's quite possible he'd go unrecognized, even if he's wearing the traditional order clothes.Ghost Rider wrote:With Jedi you might have more knowledge since even Anakin recognized them
All in all, there is little to identify a Jedi, and with a Sith even less...thus acquiring information of handling one is scarce.
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The Jedi Order itself identifies, as I recall, with the lightsabre -- isn't building one a rite of passage? They're willing to use their lightsabres at the expense of doing more impressive things with the Force (e.g., the Geonosis arena).Ghost Rider wrote:That much is true, the Jedi identity at learge seems to be synonymous with the Lightsaber. In most literature I believe they still follow this thought.
Indeed. Based on this and the fact Sith don't carry lightsabres, it's quite possible, I'd think, to be completely unable to identify a Sith Lord, even upon meeting him. Sith go by aliases in real life, so if your assignment is to "Kill Darth nn", you would probably have a hard time tracking him down.All in all, there is little to identify a Jedi, and with a Sith even less...thus acquiring information of handling one is scarce.
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IIRC in the ANH novelisation, lightsabres can and are used in some quarters in the galaxy, probably by daredevil show offs. TPM had Qui-gon immediately deflect (or try to, at any rate) inquiries of his true status as a Jedi by saying "Perhaps I killed a Jedi and took his weapon off him?" Anakin saw right through it though, but that's because he's a bright kid.
IIRC, the official explanation is that the Sith have been so secretive and rare, and believed extinct for so long, that the very idea of a Sith is the same to the denziens as the idea of a demon is to us - a few religious crackpots believe it, and certain past empires had religions that involved them heavily, but they don't really exist beyond being a mental avatar for suffering and misfortune. Hence why they are used in all those swear words.
As to the OP, I take a rather elegent solution - I approach said Sith Lord and inform him of the situation - despite all his attempts and insistance on secrecy, he has been made, and there is a bounty on his head. These two factors mean that even if he gets rid of me, the Jedi are going to be after him soon. So with my help we fake his death, and split the reward. I'm rich and have a kickass reputation, he has more money to aid his goals and the Jedi have stopped hunting him so he can work towards said goal.
As to the OP, I take a rather elegent solution - I approach said Sith Lord and inform him of the situation - despite all his attempts and insistance on secrecy, he has been made, and there is a bounty on his head. These two factors mean that even if he gets rid of me, the Jedi are going to be after him soon. So with my help we fake his death, and split the reward. I'm rich and have a kickass reputation, he has more money to aid his goals and the Jedi have stopped hunting him so he can work towards said goal.
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Of course, being a Sith Lord, he could simply kill you after you help him fake his death. And the point Lagmonster brings up is a good one; who the fuck out there actually knows what a Sith Lord is even capable of? As viewers of the films, we have the viewpoint of the omniscient observer, but an in-universe mercenary wouldn't.Ender wrote:As to the OP, I take a rather elegent solution - I approach said Sith Lord and inform him of the situation - despite all his attempts and insistance on secrecy, he has been made, and there is a bounty on his head. These two factors mean that even if he gets rid of me, the Jedi are going to be after him soon. So with my help we fake his death, and split the reward. I'm rich and have a kickass reputation, he has more money to aid his goals and the Jedi have stopped hunting him so he can work towards said goal.
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Re: Kill a Sith lord
\Sarevok wrote:You are a top mercenary in the SW galaxy. You have access to the best equipment available, except for ysalmari. There is a bounty on a Sith lord in hiding and you find your self in the same area as him. However you do not have any ships or vehicles or allies with you. If you delay to gather allies or ships he will flee. Using only what you can carry yourself can you take down a Sith lord ? Note the Sith lord is around Dooku's level of power.
All too easy. I'll pass on the bounty and stick to more practical prey.
The OP is akin to asking if a hunter is willing to tackle a grizzly bear with his hunting knife, because the bear just happens to be there and the hunter doesn't have the time or proper weaponry to he'd normally use.
Is it possible to kill the bear? Sure. Likely? Fuck no!
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I send the Sith a letter that says "I know what you are. If you want to keep this secret, meet my protocol droid at (secluded location) and it will take you to meet me." My droid will have a bomb inside him, and be programmed to walk up to the Sith and explode.
Hopefully the Sith won't be able to sense any ill-intent until it's too late. And even if he does survive, he won't know who set him up.
EDIT: Hell, if the planet has a secluded enough area and I have access to a large enough bomb, I'll lure him out to some wasteland a hundred miles from civilization and set off a buried nuke.
Hopefully the Sith won't be able to sense any ill-intent until it's too late. And even if he does survive, he won't know who set him up.
EDIT: Hell, if the planet has a secluded enough area and I have access to a large enough bomb, I'll lure him out to some wasteland a hundred miles from civilization and set off a buried nuke.
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I very much doubt that a sith lord with powers like dooku will be intimidated by such a letter.I send the Sith a letter that says "I know what you are. If you want to keep this secret, meet my protocol droid at (secluded location) and it will take you to meet me." My droid will have a bomb inside him, and be programmed to walk up to the Sith and explode.
he will also possibly be able to trace were the letter comes from and then you would be in serious trouble.
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Hmmm if I could lure the sith across a bridge over a large cassam. Have said bridge rigged with explosives...
Theroettically I could just hit the trigger and we'd see if he could deal with a VERY long fall onto jagged rocks.
Edit: As he is falling I start letting fly with rockets, blasters and the kitchen sink! There will also be explosives waiting for him at the bottom of the fall.
Theroettically I could just hit the trigger and we'd see if he could deal with a VERY long fall onto jagged rocks.
Edit: As he is falling I start letting fly with rockets, blasters and the kitchen sink! There will also be explosives waiting for him at the bottom of the fall.
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Umm, I have no Sith powers at all, and I would be quite suspicious in that situation.LordShaithis wrote:I send the Sith a letter that says "I know what you are. If you want to keep this secret, meet my protocol droid at (secluded location) and it will take you to meet me." My droid will have a bomb inside him, and be programmed to walk up to the Sith and explode.
Hopefully the Sith won't be able to sense any ill-intent until it's too late. And even if he does survive, he won't know who set him up.
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This assumes he does not simply start floating in the air, and does not sense the explosives. And that he does not simply reach out with the force during the fall and crush your throat.Invictus ChiKen wrote:Hmmm if I could lure the sith across a bridge over a large cassam. Have said bridge rigged with explosives...
Theroettically I could just hit the trigger and we'd see if he could deal with a VERY long fall onto jagged rocks.
Edit: As he is falling I start letting fly with rockets, blasters and the kitchen sink! There will also be explosives waiting for him at the bottom of the fall.
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Good point, at least according to my knowledge of the EU, it would seem that after Vader grapped Palpatine and then threw him into the shaft that particular Sith's priorities where:Thanas wrote:This assumes he does not simply start floating in the air, and does not sense the explosives. And that he does not simply reach out with the force during the fall and crush your throat.
a) kill the assailant-cum-traitor with force lightning. (sensible, though a faster method would have been adviseable )
b) contact a hand (Mara Jade, as it happened) to arrange for his revenge upon Luke.
c) first thereafter: try to save his own bacon (by transferring into yet another hand).
So apparently revenge upon Luke was more important to him, in the heat of the moment anyway, then his own survival ... if Darth Not-appearing-in-any-of-these-movies is wired the same way, it might be a good idea not to offer him/her an opportunity for a murder-suicide pact unless you really do want to die.
Assuming that I can discern both the Sith's identity and location, would one of Jango's seismic mines be a feasible means of killing him? I'm not sure how they would work on the ground, but considering the performance of just one of those things in the asteroid belt...
Of course, this leaves me with the problem that even if it works, that there might not be enough of my bounty left for me to claim a positive identification of.
Of course, this leaves me with the problem that even if it works, that there might not be enough of my bounty left for me to claim a positive identification of.
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well, first question, since grevious was impervious to using the force, he was still able to use a lightsaber, therefor a bounty hunter can use one, at least i think, if he's skilled. so, i'd probably set up like, hundreds of sabers on the ceiling in a room, lure him in, and somehow trigger them to turn on and fall on him, and instantly kill him. or better yet, just through a flash grenade, and start shooting like hell. heavy blaster. blow through his gut
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Remember that was literally far more then just one yaboo and a gun and was nearly a failed operation. Literally not something I would hinge upon .
As for thousand of Lightsabers, Revan....he does have MASSIVE TK ability given this is Count Dooku level Sith Lord, and flash grenade still won't do dick to his precog/blaster deflection....except piss him off.
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Darth Quarren Darth Maul wannabe was hardly on Dooku's level, either in martial strength or intellect. As I noted in a previous thread, killing a relatively low-level Sith warrior is rather easy for a competent and well-equipped merc, and Mr. Turn-my-back-on-half-a-dozen-disgruntled-stormtroopers-as-I-execute-their-commanding-officer-and-torture-their-comrade is hardly a shining example of the Sith minionry.000 wrote:Just saying.
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I haven't read through the entire thread, but shotguns have been demonstrated to work fairly effectively against 'saber users. Telekenesis, if used properly and quickly enough, would be adequate protection, but few from my understanding are capable of that degree of concentration.
The "Jedi Trap" used against Skywalker by the Cavilrhu pirates was an inspired design, if ineffective and hugely overwrought.
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I haven't read through the entire thread, but shotguns have been demonstrated to work fairly effectively against 'saber users. Telekenesis, if used properly and quickly enough, would be adequate protection, but few from my understanding are capable of that degree of concentration.
The "Jedi Trap" used against Skywalker by the Cavilrhu pirates was an inspired design, if ineffective and hugely overwrought.
how would a sith lord react to a powerfull changing gravity field?
there are gravity generators in practically every SW ship, even in the smallest vessels people can walk around.
also in one of the "han solo" novels, Han uses gravity fields in a cafe to immobilise his attacters, those gravity fields went up to 10 g
how much is possible if you have a gravity field large enough. all you have to do is install it somewere and lure the sith onto it and switch it to maximum, even sith TK powers have their limits.
and even if he manages to survive, you just have to fire at him with a blaster, I don't think have has much concentration left to cruch your throat. it will also be hard for him to deflect blaster fire with a lightsaber that is extremely heavie
there are gravity generators in practically every SW ship, even in the smallest vessels people can walk around.
also in one of the "han solo" novels, Han uses gravity fields in a cafe to immobilise his attacters, those gravity fields went up to 10 g
how much is possible if you have a gravity field large enough. all you have to do is install it somewere and lure the sith onto it and switch it to maximum, even sith TK powers have their limits.
and even if he manages to survive, you just have to fire at him with a blaster, I don't think have has much concentration left to cruch your throat. it will also be hard for him to deflect blaster fire with a lightsaber that is extremely heavie
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