Today's creationist moron - Nov 7 2006

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-11-07 11:04am

Got this in the creationtheory.org E-mail inbox today. Contest time: how many fallacies and unfounded claims can you spot in this drivel?

Name: Daniel O
E-Mail: lionsden888@hotmail.com
Subject: YOU NEED TO REPENT

Dear Sir (And the term is used loosely),

Actually, it is secular humanists who are the irrational bigots.

They can't handle the truth of the Bible so they repsond with hate-filled rhetoric and nonsense such as yours. I Corintians 13:6 (the love chapter) notes, "Love does not rejoice in evil but rejoices in the truth." Since your vitriole is irrational, arrogant, and evil, and most definitely misguidedly false, you are the hateful one.

Also, evolution is nonsense. It is the argument of rebels who masquerade as scientists.
Things do not evolve, my friend. As Romans 1:18-19 notes, "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them." Read on if you are interested in the truth. Furthermore, it is curious that the misguided only attribute what God created to evolution. What about some human activity. I haven't seen many bicycles "evolving" into cars. You know I haven't even seen a Honda Accord "evolve" into a Honda Prelude. Get the point? Or perhaps your web site evolved. MAybe that is why it is so misguided. God's creation is very ordered, beautiful, and it is the height of nonsense to think it evolved.

With regard to other "faiths", the only true faith is Christianity. By the way, Judahism is fulfilled in Christianity and Jesus was a Jew. Frankly, Christianity is broader than all other "faiths" combined. I have yet to see someone actually live by the "sacred" book of another "faith" because they don't make sense, and are without power to change a person. Psalm 119 notes, "I have seen a limit to all perfection, they commandments are exceedingly broad." The analogy is like this, think of it as a funnel.
*Christianity appears narrow, but when you step through the horisons broaden. See Jesus Christ's statements in John 14:6 and John 10:10.
*Other religions are broad but lead to tyranny. Take Hinduism as a case in point if you can bear the unpleasant truth.

As a final point, mankind would not have progressed without Christianity. Frankly, the founders of science is replete with Christians like Isaac Newton. In art, there was Vincent Van Gogh.

I know the truth is hard to accept, especially when you won't, but I would leave you with God's promise to Abraham in Genesis 12:3 which applies to all beleivers in Christ as well because of Jesus' work on the cross.

I will be praying that God would contend with your silly mind. Frankly, this web site tells me your life is pretty empty and meaningless.

Goodbye

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SpacedTeddyBear · Post by **SpacedTeddyBear** » 2006-11-07 11:13am

Just about every sentence contains a fallacy. Would you like us to catagorize every single one of them as well?

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-11-07 11:14am

I am getting to the point where if I read something on the Internet and they spell vitrol "vitrole" and believers "beleivers" I automatically dismiss it. I also love how he puts evolve in quotes. One of my high school teachers said it best... if you don't know what a word means, put it in quotes to cover your ass.

Also when you start with "Dear Sir (And the term is used loosely)" you are on the attack right away. I can't believe how many people think it's polite to start with buried attacks like that, insinuations, and think that fucktard, retard, moron, stupid is somehow worse. Calling someone's words "nonesense" is far more insulting than calling someone a fucktard, but flame a guy like that and he'd treat it as proof positive that you're immature.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-11-07 11:21am

I can't stop laughing to start tearing it apart, but this stood out.

I haven't seen many bicycles "evolving" into cars.

I know there's more to that statement but honestly that fucking took the cake in terms of bald out and out nonsense.

That NOS Guy · Post by **That NOS Guy** » 2006-11-07 11:25am

E-mail wrote:I haven't seen many bicycles "evolving" into cars. You know I haven't even seen a Honda Accord "evolve" into a Honda Prelude. Get the point? Or perhaps your web site evolved. MAybe that is why it is so misguided. God's creation is very ordered, beautiful, and it is the height of nonsense to think it evolved.

This part takes the rest. I was attending a Dawkin's lecture last week and he made a funny observation about the correllation between misrepresting/complete misunderstanding of evolution and embracing creationism.

E-mail wrote: As a final point, mankind would not have progressed without Christianity. Frankly, the founders of science is replete with Christians like Isaac Newton. In art, there was Vincent Van Gogh.

Though this part is running a close 2nd. If we're going to take the good because people who do great things are Christians what about the Crusades, the Inquistion, witchhunts, and relic selling?

Karza · Post by **Karza** » 2006-11-07 11:25am

Darth Wong wrote:Got this in the creationtheory.org E-mail inbox today. Contest time: how many fallacies and unfounded claims can you spot in this drivel?

I'm sorry, my bullshit detector/counter blew up, and I can't count that high manually. However, this bit is a real gem:

Unhinged loon wrote:As a final point, mankind would not have progressed without Christianity. Frankly, the founders of science is replete with Christians like Isaac Newton.

Yes, men who in a very un-christian fashion decided to push the limits of human knowledge, instead of adhering to dogma. I can definitely see how christianity was a vital contributor to their discoveries alright

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That NOS Guy · Post by **That NOS Guy** » 2006-11-07 11:26am

Ghetto edit: Eh, could a mod fix the quote tags for me? Thanks.

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2006-11-07 11:32am

I like how he manages an ad hominem in the salutation.

The only way he could've been more blatant would be "Greetings, fuckface!"

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-11-07 11:36am

Dear Sir (And the term is used loosely),

Actually, it is secular humanists who are the irrational bigots.

1 -- unfounded claim

They can't handle the truth of the Bible

2, 37 -- unfounded claim, question-begging (is the Bible true?)

so they repsond with hate-filled rhetoric and nonsense such as yours.

3, 33 -- unfounded claims

I Corintians 13:6 (the love chapter) notes, "Love does not rejoice in evil but rejoices in the truth." Since your vitriole is irrational

4 -- unfounded claim

, arrogant,

5 -- unfounded claim

and evil,

6 -- unfounded claim

and most definitely misguidedly

7 -- unfounded claim

false,

8 -- unfounded claim

you are the hateful one.

9 -- unfounded claim

Also, evolution is nonsense.

10 -- unfounded claim

It is the argument of rebels who masquerade as scientists.

11 -- unfounded claim

Things do not evolve, my friend.

12 -- unfounded claim

As Romans 1:18-19 notes, "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

13, 36 -- unfounded claim (I don't see any wrath of God being revealed from heaven. Do you?), question-begging

since what may be known about God is plain to them,

14 -- unfounded claim (false -- if it were plain, atheists would accept it)

because God has made it plain to them."

15, 35 -- unfounded claim, question-begging

Read on if you are interested in the truth.

16 -- unfounded claim

Furthermore, it is curious that the misguided only attribute what God created to evolution.

17 -- question-begging (God created?)

What about some human activity. I haven't seen many bicycles "evolving" into cars. You know I haven't even seen a Honda Accord "evolve" into a Honda Prelude. Get the point?

18 -- false analogy

Or perhaps your web site evolved. MAybe that is why it is so misguided.

19 -- continuing the false analogy and more question-begging

God's creation is very ordered,

20, 34 -- false claim, question-begging

beautiful, and it is the height of nonsense to think it evolved.

21 -- I think the world's beautiful, so we'll just go with the second unfounded claim

With regard to other "faiths", the only true faith is Christianity.

22 -- asserting a particular faith is "true" faith is an oxymoron, since it is impossible to positively discover the truth or falsehood of any faith

By the way, Judahism is fulfilled in Christianity

23 -- unfounded claim

and Jesus was a Jew. Frankly, Christianity is broader than all other "faiths" combined.

24 -- unfounded claim (what does it mean to be "broader" than another faith?)

I have yet to see someone actually live by the "sacred" book of another "faith"

25 -- Perhaps you slept in on 9/11?

because they don't make sense, and are without power to change a person.

26 -- See # 25

Psalm 119 notes, "I have seen a limit to all perfection, they commandments are exceedingly broad." The analogy is like this, think of it as a funnel.
*Christianity appears narrow, but when you step through the horisons broaden. See Jesus Christ's statements in John 14:6 and John 10:10.

27 -- Analogy to what? I suppose incoherent sentences count

*Other religions are broad but lead to tyranny. Take Hinduism as a case in point if you can bear the unpleasant truth.

As a final point, mankind would not have progressed without Christianity.

28 -- unfounded claim

Frankly, the founders of science is replete with Christians like Isaac Newton. In art, there was Vincent Van Gogh.

29 (I'll count the implicit post hoc here as a fallacy)

I know the truth is hard to accept, especially when you won't,

30 -- question-begging

but I would leave you with God's promise to Abraham in Genesis 12:3 which applies to all beleivers in Christ as well because of Jesus' work on the cross.

31 -- question-begging (prove God exists)

I will be praying that God would contend with your silly mind. Frankly, this web site tells me your life is pretty empty and meaningless.

Goodbye

32 -- unfounded claim (empty and meaningless)

EDIT: I went through, elucidated the fallacies/unfounded claims, and discovered several question-begging fallacies which I proceeded to mark. Up the count to 37.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-11-07 11:36am

The fallacy/empty claim density really is high, isn't it?

How far down the front page of the website do you think he got before he stopped reading and fired off his oh-so-enlightened E-mail?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-11-07 11:38am

Darth Wong wrote: The fallacy/empty claim density really is high, isn't it?

How far down the front page of the website do you think he got before he stopped reading and fired off his oh-so-enlightened E-mail?

Given that he fires with this

Actually, it is secular humanists who are the irrational bigots.

This statement is where he stopped :This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests, for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves.” - Robert G. Ingersoll.

The rest he does because he glanced at Creationism jargon that was jibberish to him.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2006-11-07 11:39am

He can't even bother spelling Judaism correctly. I don't see how it's worth the time to shred apart his totally useless arguments. . .and I do use the term arguments loosely.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-11-07 11:41am

Most of his post is just empty claims, not arguments at all. The only argument against evolution that I could see was his hilariously stupid notion that evolution is supposed to apply to objects which do not reproduce.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-11-07 11:48am

You can't have an argument without at least trying to establish sufficient conditions. When I went through and labeled fallacies, I used question-begging very loosely (in the sense that a Complex Question fallacy begs the question -- i.e., assumes as true unestablished claims). This is the same sort of thing I see in Republitard editorials: vacuous claims strung together to look like an argument, but with no logic establishing connections between them.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-11-07 11:58am

As has already been pointed out, it's a terrible written one, with the quote below being the most offensive to my eyes. Honestly...

As a final point, mankind would not have progressed without Christianity.

Because we all know no technological, social, or economic innovations have ever been made in cultures which had nothing to do with Christianity. No, everything...all our progress throughout time is a direct result of christian life and christian values. Praise the Lord!

You know, I can at least show an ounce of respect for someone who comes and tries to argue their case in a semi-coherant manner. But he isn't really arguing a case here. His intent isn't to sway you, just insult and attack you (while waving the Bible in your face about love, no less.). The hypocrisy burns.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-11-07 12:01pm

Darth Wong wrote:Most of his post is just empty claims, not arguments at all. The only argument against evolution that I could see was his hilariously stupid notion that evolution is supposed to apply to objects which do not reproduce.

Ironically, and you can correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not as well versed, but I thought his argument about bikes to cars actually proved a kind of technological evolution.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-11-07 12:16pm

CaptJodan wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Most of his post is just empty claims, not arguments at all. The only argument against evolution that I could see was his hilariously stupid notion that evolution is supposed to apply to objects which do not reproduce.
Ironically, and you can correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not as well versed, but I thought his argument about bikes to cars actually proved a kind of technological evolution.

The problem is he literally is flying all over. He implies at the end of that particular tirade that evolution is chaos. More precise his bit about bikes into cars is to imply that since bikes aren't leaping into the obvious next step, that means living things can't either.

He has no clue whatsoever of what evolution means and has no clue at any sort of technical growth either.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2006-11-07 12:17pm

I still can't believe how the religious can't resist telling others - or more appropriately, themselves - that the non-religious must have "empty and meaningless" lives. What a crock of shit.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-11-07 12:18pm

CaptJodan wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Most of his post is just empty claims, not arguments at all. The only argument against evolution that I could see was his hilariously stupid notion that evolution is supposed to apply to objects which do not reproduce.
Ironically, and you can correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not as well versed, but I thought his argument about bikes to cars actually proved a kind of technological evolution.

Only in the loose linguistic sense where evolution is any form of gradual change. The mechanism of Darwinian evolution requires self-reproduction in order to work. So triumphantly pointing out that it doesn't work in mechanical devices that do not self-reproduce is the kind of laughably stupid argument that only a true ignoramus could make.

Mind you, his idea of evolution is so hopelessly wrong that he seems to think it's some kind of metamorphosis.

Ryushikaze · Post by **Ryushikaze** » 2006-11-07 12:20pm

Well, since Surlethe already went through and highlight practically every brain failure in the email, I think I shall merely point and laugh at the very notion of non-organic, non reproducing things evoliving. It's pretty much evidence enough to conclude that this creationist tard things evolution happens a la pokemon, like a magical transformation from one distinct from to another distinct form.

Which, of course, makes for some really imaginings of this guy's thought process, such as they are.

I'm curious how he'd defend the notion that secular humanist are irrational bigots, but I know full well he cannot.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-11-07 12:21pm

Lagmonster wrote:I still can't believe how the religious can't resist telling others - or more appropriately, themselves - that the non-religious must have "empty and meaningless" lives. What a crock of shit.

That's the thing; they are so cloistered in their little insulated bubbles that they repeat rhetoric designed to rein in the flock. And they don't realize how utterly useless this rhetoric is against people who are not part of the flock in the first place.

When you're part of the flock, and you are afraid of the outside world as they are, then you tell yourself (and you fellow sheep) that people outside of your bubble environment are "empty" because they don't have your faith in them. You also tell them that those evil outside alien people have "meaningless" lives because they don't have the meaning that your faith gives them. The outside people are bad, sad, mean, evil, blahblahblah ... it's an incredibly childish way of looking at the world.

This rhetoric is designed to scare people into staying in the flock, and you can tell someone is simply not very intelligent when he tries to use that rhetoric on people who are not part of the flock, because he has obviously never tried to climb into their heads and imagine what they're thinking.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2006-11-07 12:28pm

Well, the least one could do would be to e-mail him a link to this thread, but that would only make him feel like a martyr being persecuted for his faith, given that these types consider criticism to be a test wherein you get more points depending on how far you can jam your fingers into your ears.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2006-11-07 12:41pm

Oh the humour:

Other religions are broad but lead to tyranny.

Da Best!

I have yet to see someone actually live by the "sacred" book of another "faith" because they don't make sense, and are without power to change a person.

Actually, it is secular humanists who are the irrational bigots.

That's a perfect line. It's used by fundies and Republitards:
"Actually, they are bigots". Well, but Jehsus said, by ye works ye shall know them.

Read on if you are interested in the truth.

...Pinocchio! Look at yer nose!

As a final point, mankind would not have progressed without Christianity.

Because God invented fuel- and atomic power, telecommunications, mechanics, and just about everything. In fact, God already has had a few Nobel prizes, he was just too shy to come and claim them.

I know the truth is hard to accept, especially when you won't

That's a gem in itself.

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I'm quite amazed, frankly.

The Guid · Post by **The Guid** » 2006-11-07 12:41pm

I didn't see God create a Honda in seven days out of dirt either, so I guess that theories out as well.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-11-07 12:59pm

It's funny how his little paragraph about other faiths is virtually an ode to the narrowness of his own life experiences. You can tell he's never known members of other faiths at all, and his entire knowledge of them is from TV, movies, and what his pastor tells him.

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