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Afro-Centrists rejoice! Forgotten Timbuktu libraries found..

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...actually, fuck the idiotic Afro-Centrists, this is factual history being re-discovered!
TIMBUKTU, Mali (Nov. 10) - Researchers in Timbuktu are fighting to preserve tens of thousands of ancient texts which they say prove Africa had a written history at least as old as the European Renaissance.

Private and public libraries in the fabled Saharan town in Mali have already collected 150,000 brittle manuscripts, some of them from the 13th century, and local historians believe many more lie buried under the sand.

The texts were stashed under mud homes and in desert caves by proud Malian families whose successive generations feared they would be stolen by Moroccan invaders, European explorers and then French colonialists.

Written in ornate calligraphy, some were used to teach astrology or mathematics, while others tell tales of social and business life in Timbuktu during its "Golden Age," when it was a seat of learning in the 16th century.

"These manuscripts are about all the fields of human knowledge: law, the sciences, medicine," said Galla Dicko, director of the Ahmed Baba Institute, a library housing 25,000 of the texts.

"Here is a political tract," he said, pointing to a script in a glass cabinet, somewhat dog-eared and chewed by termites. "A letter on good governance, a warning to intellectuals not to be corrupted by the power of politicians."

Bookshelves on the wall behind him contain a volume on maths and a guide to Andalusian music as well as love stories and correspondence between traders plying the trans-Saharan caravan routes.

Timbuktu's leading families have only recently started to give up what they see as ancestral heirlooms. They are being persuaded by local officials that the manuscripts should be part of the community's shared culture.

"It is through these writings that we can really know our place in history," said Abdramane Ben Essayouti, Imam of Timbuktu's oldest mosque, Djingarei-ber, built from mud bricks and wood in 1325.

Experts believe the 150,000 texts collected so far are just a fraction of what lies hidden under centuries of dust behind the ornate wooden doors of Timbuktu's mud-brick homes.

"This is just 10 percent of what we have. We think we have more than a million buried here," said Ali Ould Sidi, a government official responsible for managing the town's World Heritage Sites.

Some academics say the texts will force the West to accept Africa has an intellectual history as old as its own. Others draw comparisons with the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

But as the fame of the manuscripts spreads, conservationists fear those that have survived centuries of termites and extreme heat will be sold to tourists at extortionate prices or illegally trafficked out of the country.

South Africa is spearheading "Operation Timbuktu" to protect the texts, funding a new library for the Ahmed Baba Institute, named after a Timbuktu-born contemporary of William Shakespeare.

The United States and Norway are helping with the preservation of the manuscripts, which South African President Thabo Mbeki has said will "restore the self respect, the pride, honor and dignity of the people of Africa."

The people of Timbuktu, whose universities were attended by 25,000 scholars in the 16th century but whose languid pace of life has been left behind by modernity, have similar hopes.

"The nations formed a single line and Timbuktu was at the head. But one day, God did an about-turn and Timbuktu found itself at the back," a local proverb goes.

"Perhaps one day God will do another about-turn so that Timbuktu can retake its rightful place," it adds.
I will never understand why Afro-Centrist morons need to create lies about African history, when there is so much factual history to be studied.
It demeans all involved, and hijacks the acclompishments of other civilisations. Some the snippets in the article really speak volumes for how advanced parts of Africa were...Songhai, Mali, Benin; why in the face of all that would the racist fucks need to steal the Olmec? :x

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I love throwing shit in peoples faces when they have a go at Africa as being primitive. Aside from Egypt and much of north Africa, I like to bring up things like Great Zimbabwe...
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Frank Hipper, what exactly do you mean by afro-centrists? What kind of lies are they purpotrating?
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Maraxus wrote:Frank Hipper, what exactly do you mean by afro-centrists? What kind of lies are they purpotrating?
http://skepdic.com/afrocent.html
"Afrocentrism is a pseudohistorical political movement that erroneously claims that African-Americans should trace their roots back to ancient Egypt because it was dominated by a race of black Africans. Some of Afrocentrism's other claims are: the ancient Greeks stole their main cultural achievements from black Egyptians; Jesus, Socrates and Cleopatra, among others, were black; and Jews created the slave trade of black Africans."
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See how he mentioned the Olmecs? Given the slightly negroid features of the Olmec stateus, many of these crazies have said that South America was colonised by Africa long before any other race.
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weemadando wrote:See how he mentioned the Olmecs? Given the slightly negroid features of the Olmec stateus, many of these crazies have said that South America was colonised by Africa long before any other race.
That's a common theory on the fringe used to support the existence of a lost ancient civilization or continent.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:
weemadando wrote:See how he mentioned the Olmecs? Given the slightly negroid features of the Olmec stateus, many of these crazies have said that South America was colonised by Africa long before any other race.
That's a common theory on the fringe used to support the existence of a lost ancient civilization or continent.
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That stuff on Afrocentrism was mind numbing. Egypt was most certainly in 'africa' but to assume that 'all africans are black' and 'all egyptians were black' is farcical. Even ignoring that even in the old kingdom, there were numerous 'black' states with which Egypt had relations (and yep, wars, being the ancient, world, there tended to be lots of wars) with. What's more, unless your ancestors come from Sudan, you're not all that likely to be descended from any kingdoms in that area.

Gah. The stupidity of this burns.

On the other hand, I heartily endorse preservation, translation and dissemination of antique and ancient texts, and so this news is good.
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NecronLord wrote:That stuff on Afrocentrism was mind numbing. Egypt was most certainly in 'africa' but to assume that 'all africans are black' and 'all egyptians were black' is farcical.
It's been around for quite a while. I used to collect newspaper clippings about it. It was almost like creationism vs evolution in the early '90's. One college professor wrote a book about those myths, and was labeled a racist! I'll have to dig up that article, but the prof. was female.

Afrocentrism and other silliness is quite common around certain parts of L.A. All blacks are descended from Egyptian kings, and all Mexicans are descended from Aztec royalty. :roll:

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Lord Poe wrote:Excuse me while I go collect protection money from local businesses, seeing as I am half Italian...
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You shall not collect, so the Maoist Tongs have decreed!

I assume that most of the texts are written in Arabic?
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Pelranius wrote:You shall not collect, so the Maoist Tongs have decreed!

I assume that most of the texts are written in Arabic?
Considering that was the only written language in the area until well into the 1800's? I'd be highly surprised if there was anything *not* in Arabic. If there is... just more to find out about, then! :D
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That is...freakin' sweet!

Is this on the level of, say, an intact Library of Alexandria?
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Molyneux wrote:That is...freakin' sweet!

Is this on the level of, say, an intact Library of Alexandria?
I'd say it's definitely no Alexandria; but an archive of local Timbuktu literati.

Seeing as how important Timbuktu was as a nexus for trade from all over North Africa, as well as recieving input from the Mediterranean and beyond, it's practically anybody's guess what this could reveal; but I for one won't be holding my breath for any lost classics to show themselves.
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NecronLord wrote:Even ignoring that even in the old kingdom, there were numerous 'black' states with which Egypt had relations (and yep, wars, being the ancient, world, there tended to be lots of wars) with. What's more, unless your ancestors come from Sudan, you're not all that likely to be descended from any kingdoms in that area.
The Benin (Nigerians) have claimed to be descendants of the Egyptians for quite some time. It's not an uncommon myth.
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Xeriar wrote:
NecronLord wrote:Even ignoring that even in the old kingdom, there were numerous 'black' states with which Egypt had relations (and yep, wars, being the ancient, world, there tended to be lots of wars) with. What's more, unless your ancestors come from Sudan, you're not all that likely to be descended from any kingdoms in that area.
The Benin (Nigerians) have claimed to be descendants of the Egyptians for quite some time. It's not an uncommon myth.
Wouldn't the descendants of the Egyptians be. . .yanno, Egyptians? Claiming to be descendants of them from another part of the continent you're in seems a bit daft.
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There was a HUGE uproar in the '90's about whether Cleopatra was black or not, IIRC.
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She was Greek.

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General Zod wrote:Wouldn't the descendants of the Egyptians be. . .yanno, Egyptians? Claiming to be descendants of them from another part of the continent you're in seems a bit daft.
Not really. If I'm not mistaken, most modern Egyptians can claim ancestry from the Middle East, which is not even on the same continent. They're all pretty much Arabs, I think.
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Nasser and Sadat didn't look too much like Saddam Huessin though.

The Egyptians have always been a pretty electic mix, I believe. Cleoparta was probably more than just Greek, given that people back then were a lot less 'ethnically aware', especially in a place like cosmopolitian Ptolemaic Egypt.
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I could not see from the pictures on the linked article, but they looked like they were written in Arabic. Here are some others from the same area. http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/mali/mali-exhibit.html
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