Contain xenomorphs with a modern military base

[Patrick Degan]

Again My 500 MT nuke countermeasure is there for many reasons. Most of them are for Avoiding a PR nightmare. (As I have stated before) The other reason is to eliminate a threat completely and quickly.

Please. A 50KT nuke would do the job quite effectively if we're going to indulge in that sort of ridiculous overkill. And as a point of curiosity, just what makes you think a nuke blast wouldn't cause a PR nightmare? You have to admit a mushroom cloud's going to be a bit difficult to explain away at a press conference.

[The Yosemite Bear]

yeah much easier to fill the complex with near pure o2 and something highly combustable then ignght

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

Again My 500 MT nuke countermeasure is there for many reasons. Most of them are for Avoiding a PR nightmare. (As I have stated before) The other reason is to eliminate a threat completely and quickly.

Please. A 50KT nuke would do the job quite effectively if we're going to indulge in that sort of ridiculous overkill. And as a point of curiosity, just what makes you think a nuke blast wouldn't cause a PR nightmare? You have to admit a mushroom cloud's going to be a bit difficult to explain away at a press conference.

What part of Last Resort don't you get? The bomb could probably be lowered in scale to a mid level MT yield. It depends on where the base is placed. Placing the base underground in an isolated area is probably a reasonable choice. The problems: Underground caves rivers and other "subterrainian hollow spots" on earth can be used by xenos if something goes wrong. Then you'll be having an Alien Species killing it's way through your urban areas. The PR Night mare would be: (a)Alien Species killings in Urban Areas. (b) Where the hell did the come form? (c) Government responsible for Alien Menace. (d) Animal Rights Groups would have a field day saying the Goverment is "abusing" Aliens.

Compare that to: The Underground Detonation of a Large Nuclear device otu in the middle of nowhere. One can assume that it was just another Nuclear test. (IIRC, America still does test nukes) Having it explode above groud would create the problem because it violates the limited Test ban treaty.

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

yeah much easier to fill the complex with near pure o2 and something highly combustable then ignght

That would kill alot of xenos, but would it definately kill them and destroy evidence? probably not.

[Darth Wong]

And to adress your 30 Aliens argument:

My issue is that seem to be trying to quantify the number of xenos in that attack based on the motion tracker. The Problem with doing that is that in all instances of it's usage it didn't give a clear, consise number of moving targets, it just gave a vague, cloudy representation of an object or being in motion and it's specific distance. If you are basing it on the motion tracker then your quantification is meaningless.

You use objective and logic-sounding words, but you use neither objectivity or logic. You claim there are huge numbers of aliens, you have to provide the evidence. I see evidence for roughly 30 aliens. No evidence whatsoever for more, and your appeal to ignorance fallacy does not qualify as evidence, fucktard.

FACT: the characters onscreen clearly believe that the corridor is full of aliens.
FACT: the aliens are advancing steadily through machine-gun fire. That is impossible without taking massive casualties.
FACT: there is no evidence for more than a few dozen surviving xenos for the final battle.

You haven't done jack shit to disprove the idea that they wasted most of their manpower attacking those sentry guns. Nor have you done anything whatsoever to justify your bullshit claims about their tactical skills in general, never mind that idiotic "dodging fire" nonsense.

Now, I was suggesting that their attempts to avoid gun Fire are no less different than the simple response to stimulus that all Complex organisms have.(instinct) When a projectile is thrown at you (or shot) we all take some (sometimes futile) attempts to avoid being hit which works to varying degrees. (Luck or poor marksmanship)

You're a goddamned idiot. Animals don't have any instinctive response to a bullet in flight, because it's moving too fast for them to react to it, even instinctively.

[Patrick Degan]

Again My 500 MT nuke countermeasure is there for many reasons. Most of them are for Avoiding a PR nightmare. (As I have stated before) The other reason is to eliminate a threat completely and quickly.

Please. A 50KT nuke would do the job quite effectively if we're going to indulge in that sort of ridiculous overkill. And as a point of curiosity, just what makes you think a nuke blast wouldn't cause a PR nightmare? You have to admit a mushroom cloud's going to be a bit difficult to explain away at a press conference.

What part of Last Resort don't you get?

And just what the fuck does that have to do with anything? How does a "last resort" require the use of a multimegaton-range nuclear weapon to do this job?

The bomb could probably be lowered in scale to a mid level MT yield. It depends on where the base is placed. Placing the base underground in an isolated area is probably a reasonable choice. The problems: Underground caves rivers and other "subterrainian hollow spots" on earth can be used by xenos if something goes wrong.

Riiiight... Because naturally an isolation base meant to contain a dangerous lifeform would be located within a natural cave system proximate to an urban population centre as opposed to sticking it in the middle of the desert.

Then you'll be having an Alien Species killing it's way through your urban areas. The PR Night mare would be: (a)Alien Species killings in Urban Areas. (b) Where the hell did the come form? (c) Government responsible for Alien Menace. (d) Animal Rights Groups would have a field day saying the Goverment is "abusing" Aliens.

But blowing off a megaton-range nuke to destroy a base stupidly located in a cave system proximate to an urban population centre won't raise a single question at all, of course...

Compare that to: The Underground Detonation of a Large Nuclear device otu in the middle of nowhere. One can assume that it was just another Nuclear test. (IIRC, America still does test nukes) Having it explode above groud would create the problem because it violates the limited Test ban treaty.

Which still doesn't answer the question of why anything more powerful than a 50-100KT range device would be required for the base's destruction and which would be far more easily explainable as a "standard" nuke test blast. But then, the government gets to deal with the diplomatic nightmare involved with violating the U.S' self-imposed moratorium on actual nuclear tests and doing so with no prior announcement, then the political shitstorm that would follow domestically.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Mike I thought this thread was dead and burried, but then the wall of ignorance from before returns.

[Stark]

I am shocked this is still going.

Has it struck anyone else that hooliganCan'tCapitalise is making this as easy for xenos as he can? He's going to build his base underground NEAR CAVES, and near a city! What manner of FUCKING RETARD is he, to suggest such a thing in a thread about containment?

Of course, we know - he's the sort of person who read the stupid novels/comics, and actually think because the characters SAY they're taking precautions and the aliens are impossible to stop that it's true. You know, instead of the characters being DROOLING RETARDS.

I'm going to watch Aliens tonight and get a count on confirmed kills. There's only like 150 people in Hadleys Hope, so there's a serious limit on aliens.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Yes and he thought that my suggestion of a contained enviornment with a pressure control system, that can implode the xeno's habitat or fill it full of flamable gas wasn't safe or possible with present day tech.....

[Shroom Man 777]

Put the fucking xenos in a giant tank meant to contain hazardous materials. If the xenos get out, shoot them.

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

Has it struck anyone else that hooliganCan'tCapitalise is making this as easy for xenos as he can? He's going to build his base underground NEAR CAVES, and near a city! What manner of FUCKING RETARD is he, to suggest such a thing in a thread about containment?

Are you Illiterate or something? Where in my response do I even say that my base would be even remotely close to to a city or be near undeground caves. Next time you try to point out how apparently "Retarded" I am. READ THE ENTIRE FUCKING POST JACKASS!!!
Since you didn't get the context of what I was saying the first time around I'll write it again: The Context I was saying is that if you are to make a base underground It would (A) have to be in an isolated area and (B) a subterrainian survey of geography of the area would have to be conducted. (sonar) To make sure there aren't any underground caves/rivers etc. near the area.

The Problem I suggest is that if one isn't careful enough in picking the right spot, in a "worst case scenario situation" at you base can end up with the escaped xenos capitalizing on those nearby sources. My point in the end is that when you are dealing with dangerous situations you have to have a plan for EVERYTHING. Any reasonably intelligent person plans for worst case scenario situations for building structure up to planning a war. If you you don't then you are perhaps the dumbest person alive. Look at the War in Iraq, They didn't plan for anything after the fall of Baghdad and lookat what's been going on for the past few years.

Of course, we know - he's the sort of person who read the stupid novels/comics, and actually think because the characters SAY they're taking precautions and the aliens are impossible to stop that it's true. You know, instead of the characters being DROOLING RETARDS.

You would be dead wrong to assume that I have ever read any of the comics or Novels. The Only Alien Novel that I have ever read is the Official Alien Movie Novelization back in 10th grade. I don't think there is a Canon policy with the series but I would think that it be an official source of reference. As for Me thinking that Aliens are as unstoppable as you would suggest, you are just talking out of your ass, The Only reason why the Humans have so much trouble dealing with the Aliens throughtout the series is: (in basic terms) Limited intelligence and underestimating their capablities. They are dangerous, it's quite Obvious they are probably more dangerous than any Predator on Earth. But they are within the realms of being controlled by people who fully understand what they are and how they act.
You pretty much provide the reason why I will never read any of the Alien Novelizations or Comics beyond the Movie Novelizations. (two of which were written By Alan Dean Foster) Alien Resurrection also does this. They try to bring back the xenos but htey at best have taken almost no precaustions in trying to minimalize the threat of a breakout. It's one of many reasons why that's my least favorite of the series.

I'm going to watch Aliens tonight and get a count on confirmed kills. There's only like 150 people in Hadleys Hope, so there's a serious limit on aliens.

157 inhabitants. About 155-156 Aliens when the marines arrive on LV-426.

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

Please. A 50KT nuke would do the job quite effectively if we're going to indulge in that sort of ridiculous overkill. And as a point of curiosity, just what makes you think a nuke blast wouldn't cause a PR nightmare? You have to admit a mushroom cloud's going to be a bit difficult to explain away at a press conference.

What part of Last Resort don't you get?

And just what the fuck does that have to do with anything? How does a "last resort" require the use of a multimegaton-range nuclear weapon to do this job?

The bomb could probably be lowered in scale to a mid level MT yield. It depends on where the base is placed. Placing the base underground in an isolated area is probably a reasonable choice. The problems: Underground caves rivers and other "subterrainian hollow spots" on earth can be used by xenos if something goes wrong.

Riiiight... Because naturally an isolation base meant to contain a dangerous lifeform would be located within a natural cave system proximate to an urban population centre as opposed to sticking it in the middle of the desert.

Then you'll be having an Alien Species killing it's way through your urban areas. The PR Night mare would be: (a)Alien Species killings in Urban Areas. (b) Where the hell did the come form? (c) Government responsible for Alien Menace. (d) Animal Rights Groups would have a field day saying the Goverment is "abusing" Aliens.

But blowing off a megaton-range nuke to destroy a base stupidly located in a cave system proximate to an urban population centre won't raise a single question at all, of course...

Compare that to: The Underground Detonation of a Large Nuclear device otu in the middle of nowhere. One can assume that it was just another Nuclear test. (IIRC, America still does test nukes) Having it explode above groud would create the problem because it violates the limited Test ban treaty.

Which still doesn't answer the question of why anything more powerful than a 50-100KT range device would be required for the base's destruction and which would be far more easily explainable as a "standard" nuke test blast. But then, the government gets to deal with the diplomatic nightmare involved with violating the U.S' self-imposed moratorium on actual nuclear tests and doing so with no prior announcement, then the political shitstorm that would follow domestically.

Before I directly respond to you points I want to say this: Where the hell did I say that I would Put my base in underground area near caves and more or less adjacent to an urban area??

What part of Last Resort don't you get? The bomb could probably be lowered in scale to a mid level MT yield. It depends on where the base is placed. Placing the base underground in an isolated area is probably a reasonable choice. The problems: Underground caves rivers and other "subterrainian hollow spots" on earth can be used by xenos if something goes wrong. Then you'll be having an Alien Species killing it's way through your urban areas. The PR Night mare would be: (a)Alien Species killings in Urban Areas. (b) Where the hell did the come form? (c) Government responsible for Alien Menace. (d) Animal Rights Groups would have a field day saying the Goverment is "abusing" Aliens.

I clearly stated that if you were to build a base (on earth) that an isolated area would be feasable. The context I was tyring to address is a "worst case scenario" of what might happen if you are not careful enough in picking the right spot. WORST CASE SCENARIO!!! I Forgive the misuderstanding Because I guess I was being too clear on my point. (that isn't sarcasm)

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

Yes and he thought that my suggestion of a contained enviornment with a pressure control system, that can implode the xeno's habitat or fill it full of flamable gas wasn't safe or possible with present day tech.....

Safe or possible?? Where did I say thatat all?!? Can you read?? I said it would be effective but it might not get rid of all the Xenos and the evidence. If you can clarify to me where I say that in my quote then please enlighten me.

[Galvatron]

Am I the only one who remembers that an alien was quite successfully imprisoned in a toxic waste containment chamber with 3' thick steel walls?

Or are we discounting Alien 3 Special Edition?

[Stark]

Wow, did they film that? I remember it was in the novel, but I didn't think the movie ever had the alien trapped in the tank. You learn something new every day.

PS, give ME the matrix.

[Galvatron]

It was filmed and re-integrated back into the 2003 Special Edition DVD release.

[Patrick Degan]

Before I directly respond to you points I want to say this: Where the hell did I say that I would Put my base in underground area near caves and more or less adjacent to an urban area??

The very locations you suggest for this scenario in your previous post imply proximity to urban population centres far more so than any pit dug in the middle of a desert. This is why geography is such an important subject to study in school.

I clearly stated that if you were to build a base (on earth) that an isolated area would be feasable. The context I was tyring to address is a "worst case scenario" of what might happen if you are not careful enough in picking the right spot. WORST CASE SCENARIO!!! I Forgive the misuderstanding Because I guess I was being too clear on my point. (that isn't sarcasm)

This is why it's important to actually think things through before writing. Installing a nuke for self-destruct (overkill) would preclude any location other than the middle of a wasteland with nothing for hundreds of miles in all directions around it. Your "worst case scenario", in that context, doesn't make a lick of sense.

[Galvatron]

Think Desert Base from Hulk.

If the aliens escape, they have to deal with hundreds of miles of barren terrain and Army gunships.

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

Am I the only one who remembers that an alien was quite successfully imprisoned in a toxic waste containment chamber with 3' thick steel walls?

Or are we discounting Alien 3 Special Edition?

Nope. That is a perfectly Valid scene that shows one of many ways of containg an Alien.

If a Single xeno is isolated in that manner then there shouldn't be any more problems.

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

Wow, did they film that? I remember it was in the novel, but I didn't think the movie ever had the alien trapped in the tank. You learn something new every day.

PS, give ME the matrix.

It's all in the Extended version.

[Galvatron]

BTW, according to the DVD menus, the aliens have a binomial name of Internecivus raptus (I hate "xenomorph").

[Stark]

That's a pretty generic name though: 'murderous thief'.

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

Before I directly respond to you points I want to say this: Where the hell did I say that I would Put my base in underground area near caves and more or less adjacent to an urban area??

The very locations you suggest for this scenario in your previous post imply proximity to urban population centres far more so than any pit dug in the middle of a desert. This is why geography is such an important subject to study in school.

Not really, My implications was that an escaped Xeno can reach an urban area by migrating over time Utilizing Caves and other sublevel hollow areas.

I clearly stated that if you were to build a base (on earth) that an isolated area would be feasable. The context I was tyring to address is a "worst case scenario" of what might happen if you are not careful enough in picking the right spot. WORST CASE SCENARIO!!! I Forgive the misuderstanding Because I guess I was being too clear on my point. (that isn't sarcasm)

This is why it's important to actually think things through before writing. Installing a nuke for self-destruct (overkill) would preclude any location other than the middle of a wasteland with nothing for hundreds of miles in all directions around it. Your "worst case scenario", in that context, doesn't make a lick of sense.[/quote] Generally speaking one aspect Worst case scenario is simply the escape of an Alien and it finding a civilian populated area. It may take hundreds or thousands of miles to get to a populated area but it could happen. The main objective is making sure none of them escape period, the threat may be a distant on but it's a threat nontheless.

[Patrick Degan]

Before I directly respond to you points I want to say this: Where the hell did I say that I would Put my base in underground area near caves and more or less adjacent to an urban area??

The very locations you suggest for this scenario in your previous post imply proximity to urban population centres far more so than any pit dug in the middle of a desert. This is why geography is such an important subject to study in school.

Not really, My implications was that an escaped Xeno can reach an urban area by migrating over time Utilizing Caves and other sublevel hollow areas.

The terrain you describe is not typical to desert regions or other wasteland areas seperated from the nearest urban centre by a good hundred miles or two at the least. It is typical of regions where urban population centres are likely to be found near mountain chains and where subterranean water is usually located, which supports a more amenable climate. Which means your "worst case scenario" has the base stupidly located within proximity of a population cluster.

Generally speaking one aspect Worst case scenario is simply the escape of an Alien and it finding a civilian populated area. It may take hundreds or thousands of miles to get to a populated area but it could happen. The main objective is making sure none of them escape period, the threat may be a distant on but it's a threat nontheless.

Just how tough and durable do you really imagine these creatures are? Or is this just Xeno-wankage?

[Galvatron]

Is he confusing it with The Thing?