If you had the choice? (F-22 Vs F-23)

Marko Dash · Post by **Marko Dash** » 2006-11-13 09:21am

F-22 raptor
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-23.htm

F-23 black widow II
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-23.htm

As we all know the raptor won out, but if you had the choice would you make the same decision?[/url]

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2006-11-13 09:23am

One link is wrong, go here for the correct one:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-22.htm

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2006-11-13 11:57am

The YF-23 looked cooler, hence, it was always my bet.

Sadly, coolness and higher price don't make a winner.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2006-11-13 12:05pm

Yes, I'd make the same decision. The F-22 was cheaper to develop and procure than the F-23 would have been, but even then the F-22 program was horrendously expensive, and came close to being canceled more than once due to cost and delays. Even after all that we're only getting 183 aircraft out of it (provided procurement isn't increased in the next few years, which I doubt). Think of how much more difficult and expensive it would have been to develop the F-23. Frankly, I doubt the program would have survived to IOC.

ThatGuyFromThatPlace · Post by **ThatGuyFromThatPlace** » 2006-11-13 01:38pm

The YF-23 had stacked AAMs which made probability of failure much higher,a nd if one missile did fail to launch, there wouldn't be a way to eject it and you'd end up losing any missiles after it on the rails.

not to mentiont he other mentioned problems with the design.
And I've always though the F-22 looked cooler anyway, never understood why people think the VF-23 looks better.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-11-13 03:23pm

ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote: And I've always though the F-22 looked cooler anyway, never understood why people think the VF-23 looks better.

Damn straight. The 22 has the looks for me as well. It oozes coolness. First time I saw the plane was in the game "Strike Commander" or something, I think.

I'd go with the 22.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2006-11-14 03:39am

Well the 22 looks cooler but if the flight sim UN Squadron has any accuracy, the 23 was able to obliterate whole armies

Marko Dash · Post by **Marko Dash** » 2006-11-14 07:58am

I remember reading something while the contest was in full swing that while the 23s development cost was higher, its production costs were lower because its used parts from other fighters.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2006-11-14 04:13pm

I will be honest, I have an indirect financial incentive for the F-22 to be chosen, so I'd go with the Lockheed bird.

Removing that incentive I don't know anything about the F-23 expect that it was more expensive to produce which would cause me to lean towards the F-22 anyway.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2006-11-14 07:43pm

The YF-23 looks a lot cooler. And since that´s the only criteria by which fighter planes should be judged i pick the YF-23.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2006-11-14 08:46pm

If we're going by sheer looks? No way is the YF-23 cooler looking than the F-22.

Hawkwings · Post by **Hawkwings** » 2006-11-15 01:31am

the YF-23 looks too weird to look cool. The F-22 has got the "burly superfighter" look to it that the F-14 and F-15 have.

...and I could drop NUKES in F-22 Lightning III. My, that was very satisfying...

Post by **Beowulf** » 2006-11-15 11:58am

Given that WVR combat is likely, as a result of probably RoEs, and that the F-22 has better maneuvering capability, the F-22 wins.

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