Would a Defiant do better?

[FaxModem1]

Let's say, that instead of Voyager being hurled into the Dela Quadrant, the aretaker hurled a Defiant ship, and would it do well if it had a cloaking device, or would it do well without?

[Darth Garden Gnome]

Obviosuly better, slip past those jackass Borg and the like. But with Janeway at the command they be decloaking to visit every single-celled micro-organism they could find. A determined adversary could simply track em and hit em when they are in such a situation.

[Warspite]

Maybe...

The Voyager is bigger, hence it carries more persons, supplies, fuel and... shuttles!
While it isn't a dedicated warship, it had enough weaponry to deal with most encountered dangers, and is faster, allowing to get out of danger more rapidly then it got into. Besides, one huge advantage... Janeway, with a bigger character shield than Worf.

Oh, yes and Kim, the poor guy kept dying and dying and he still was an ensign... tsk, tsk.

[FaxModem1]

but with a cloak, they just fly through, okay, and also, its not Voyager, so Janeway is not there in the Delta Quadrant

[HRogge]

Let's say, that instead of Voyager being hurled into the Dela Quadrant, the aretaker hurled a Defiant ship, and would it do well if it had a cloaking device, or would it do well without?

A Defiant is too small for the long range mission Voyager had to do... ( getting home ! )

But of course THE Defiant with cloaking device would have Sisko as the captain insteal of Janeway, so he would blast his opposition into plasma clouds and use the caretaker array to get home the next day... if he has a good day he would even use a timed detonation to kill the array after the Defiant got home.

[Warspite]

What happens if the cloack goes to shit? The thing can't be running the whole time... And usually it goes down in the most terrible situation.

The Intrepid class is for exploration, hence it can stay in deep space for long periods of time unsupported.
The Defiant is mainly an escort ship, a gunboat of fast attack craft, it's main function is defend other ships from attacks and reply in kind, but due to the small design, it needs to be (relatively) near of support infrastructures.
They have diferent abblities, and when they need to stay in deep space for long periods of time, Voyager is more able for the function.

[seanrobertson]

Let's say, that instead of Voyager being hurled into the Dela Quadrant, the aretaker hurled a Defiant ship, and would it do well if it had a cloaking device, or would it do well without?

Well, a Defiant, especially with intelligently utilized
cloaking capability, would do significantly better than VGR
in most combat situations. It'd smoke the Kazon and
many of the other aliens VGR encountered up until (and
after) the Borg encounters. The only real downside is that
the Borg would probably be very interested in a craft
specifically designed to counter them and, presuming
yet more intelligence, they'd send a cube to assimilate
it (as opposed to the garden variety little spheres or
stupid manned probes).

Defiants are not designed with long-term missions in
mind, but then again, neither are Intrepids. They're
"scouts" with high warp capabilities. They do indeed carry
more fuel and supplies, but VGR herself was gathering fuel
and/or supplies on a very routine basis.

That's inevitable on a 70 year journey, and really isn't a reason
to blow off the Defiant-class as a whole; presumably, Valiant
took a year to circumnavigate "the entire Federation" (probably
hyperbole on the latter point), so that's a year potentially
without resupply.

I don't think VGR did much better than refueling annually or so;
she *certainly* managed to acquire some antimatter and new
torpedo casings along the way, by all indications, even BEFORE
we're told they're "low on fuel." And seemingly every other
episode, they were gathering food or medical supplies from
the Alien of the Week (tm).

So, there ya go...a Defiant also lacks the creature comforts
and holodecks VGR had, and can't carry as much junk (shuttles),
but if you're in command of a Defiant, chances are good
you're not a jerkoff like Janeway, constantly sending out fragile
craft like shuttles to be disabled, captured, or destroyed by
hostile forces. You've also got some conception
of how Kicking Ass is Good (another tm), and you might
not even be so morally ambiguous as to blow up the Caretaker
Array for the poor Ocampa...

If that's the case, BAM! Given the seemingly universal application
of Trektech, you'd just have to guard the Caretaker Array until
you figured out what button did what, and the whole issue of your
meager supplies would be irrelevant since you'd use the damn
thing to go back home.

As I see it, the cloak is just a bonus. If used the way some
Klingon captains do, it'd be icing on the cake for kicking the
shit out of Kazon, Hirogen, Vidiians, etc.

[HemlockGrey]

As long as it can refuel regularly, and is not being constantly put into harm's way, the Defiant kicks Deltass.

[Wicked Pilot]

I'd rather see, an ISD stuck in the Delta Quadrant.


Captain: "Commander, what happened?"

XO: "Sir, that mechanism pulled us from the AQ to the DQ, we are not thousands of light years away from our previous position."

Captain: "Those sonofabitches have inconvienced me, blow them to shit!"

XO: "Aya Aye, all forward batteries, kill everything in site"

-ISD kills everything that move with extreme prejudice

Captain: "Set course for the AQ. All this killing makes me tired, I'm going for a short nap, wake me when we get there."

-The end, Star Trek: Voyager ends after one episode.

[Typhonis 1]

hmm what if the caretaker had pulled Janeway into the Star Wars galaxy instead?

[Ender]

hmm what if the caretaker had pulled Janeway into the Star Wars galaxy instead?

Now that would make for an interesting fanfic. Set it during the clone wars or something, have them deal with the hutts, the Trade Federation, Bothans, the Republic, various dissatisfied systems...

Could be really good.

[Silver]

hmm what if the caretaker had pulled Janeway into the Star Wars galaxy instead?

Now that would make for an interesting fanfic. Set it during the clone wars or something, have them deal with the hutts, the Trade Federation, Bothans, the Republic, various dissatisfied systems...

Could be really good.

As long as Janeway dies soon after the beginning. Preferably in a painful manner. Very painful manner.

[Ghost Rider]

She'll obviously be thrown into Sarlacc pit.

Though for the Defiant vs Intrepid...All Trekkie dilemas and technobabble aside...I say they would at least kick much more ass...and the crew would certainly adher to a much stricter military code. The problem with the Intrepid is that it had too many anmeties which the Defiants seem to lack.

[Shinova]

Assuming that both Defiant and Voyager are stripped of their normal crewmembers and replaced with smart screwmembers, an Intrepid would be better in case the caretaker array thing didn't work since it's better built for long-range missions.

[Pu-239]

Also the defiant doesn't have the fancy med tech.

[The Enterpriser]

I think the point is moot since the Defiant-class wasn't designed as a long range explorer ship nor can it sustain the high-speeds (which are a tribute to the Defiant) for a long period of time due to it's limited range and supply carrying capabilities. On the other hand, the Intrepid-class and the Galaxy are both far more equal to the task (although the Galaxy needs some heavy engine refitting).

Sovereign is also a "explorer/military ship" than means that it is probably neither as sophisticated in the sensor suite / self sufficiency area as the Galaxy is.

The Interpid-class was the perfect choice for the series as is it made the dangers to the ship more tangible and also allowed us to see (a potential) shortage of supplies. According to GK it has 15% volume and 35% of Galaxy class capabilities, which makes sense, although I was never really impressed by the Galaxy-class sensor systems

[BenRG]

The Intrepid class is for exploration, hence it can stay in deep space for long periods of time unsupported.

I thought that the Intrepid-class was more of a patrol cruiser than anything else. The ship was more generally focussed on defensive/millitary operations than exploration/survey. Certainly the Voyager had some problems with supply availablility that one wouldn't expect on a long-haul explorer. Still, this is Trek. One can't over-estimate their engineers' ability to build a ship capable of its' designed task.

You also can't overestimate their ability to assign the right starship to the right job. The Defiant sent on exploration/survey missions more than once, when (by her Chief Engineer's own admission) her main sensor systems sucked and it lacked all the neccessary hardware for the mission.

[Warspite]

Certainly the Voyager had some problems with supply availablility that one wouldn't expect on a long-haul explorer. Still, this is Trek. One can't over-estimate their engineers' ability to build a ship capable of its' designed task.

You also can't overestimate their ability to assign the right starship to the right job. The Defiant sent on exploration/survey missions more than once, when (by her Chief Engineer's own admission) her main sensor systems sucked and it lacked all the neccessary hardware for the mission.

Oh, come on, the thing ended up on the other side of the Galaxy! The big saviour was the magical Unversal Translator. Enginners can't predict through what a vessel will be going through, during it's life time, and they surely wouldn't be expecting a galaxy wide trip. The ship needs to be serviced reguraly, and usually only on shipyards. The ship's engineers can only do so much.

The fact that a warship is sent on exploration/surveys is not a problem, my problem with a Defiant class is that it's less adequate for long range, deep space missons, unlike the Intrepid class.

[Darth Fanboy]

I think VOY would have been better accomplished with multiple ships working as a task force. Maybe a pair of Intrepids, an Akira, and another craft. Put an Admiral in command of it all and then theres enough major characters so that a few could die every once in a while as the series was about to wind down. The only thing novel about VOY was its distance from hme.

[Enlightenment]

I think VOY would have been better accomplished with multiple ships working as a task force.

If Starfleet were to deliberately send a mission 75+ warp-years into the gamma quadrant then they should send a generation ship specifically designed for extreme long duration voyages. Instead of a starship or two think more along the lines of something like Rama with warp drive and hangars capable of carrying a starship or two.

[Darth Wong]

I think VOY would have been better accomplished with multiple ships working as a task force.

Yes. A ragtag fleet, searching the cosmos for the lost 13th colony named Earth.

[Vympel]

I think VOY would have been better accomplished with multiple ships working as a task force.

Yes. A ragtag fleet, searching the cosmos for the lost 13th colony named Earth.[/quote]

Battlestar Galactica?

(yes, I've never seen it)

[consequences]

They don't need fancy medical tech, its been proven that the transporter has unlimited healing possibilities. I mean, it gave Picard a full head of hair, next to that Lazarus had a case of the sniffles.