Medieval 2 Battle Report & Strat Thread (Super pic hvy)

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2006-11-14 12:13pm

Well there is an upside to the Black Death. As a result of my drastic cost cutting measures i am now making a shit tonne of money now that the Black Death has mostly past.

And Milan has just won The Worst Decision In The Wooooooorld! award.
Milan, reduced to just 2 regions in the Switzerland/Germany area, their choices of who to attack are:

To the North: The Holy Roman Empire- Had just 1 territory for ages, but recently managed to nab one off Poland. Just past them is Poland itself, once great, now ravaged by the Mongols and with the perpetual threat of a dominant England (Who remembers a grudge) on their Western borders, reduced to a mere sahdow of what they once were.

To the South: 2 Venetian provinces, cut off from the rest of thier faction by Hungarian forces. The Papal States have expanded a little, but beyond them are the Excommunicated Scicilians ripe for picking after being beaten off by, and having most of their armies more decimated, by the Papal States.

To the West: England and only England. Stretching from Portugal to the Milanese borders and North of them into Scandanavia, in almost complete control of the North European coast and now pushing across Africa into Egypt to gain a foothold for future crusades in the Holy Land. The Popes favourites and in almost complete control of the college of Cardinals, weakened by the Black Death but remobilising in Europe at a horryfying pace so as to launch fresh attacks on the Mongrols. Have squashed all but one of the (supposed) mighty nations that have wronged them, Catholic or not.

Who would you attack? I guess i don't have to tell you which option the foolish Milanese picked.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2006-11-14 12:23pm

Ah, gotta love that campaign AI. Nice to see it's its same old retarded self.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2006-11-14 12:38pm

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:Ah, gotta love that campaign AI. Nice to see it's its same old retarded self.

It is on Easy. I'm guessing if it were on hard i wouldn't have got off the British Isles yet.

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2006-11-14 02:00pm

The Papal States do stuff? I'm on Medium/Easy And I have yet to see one of the popes march out of Rome.

Ubiquitous · Post by **Ubiquitous** » 2006-11-14 02:05pm

Vymple, the game looks sexy on your system - we need some full screenshots from major battles!

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2006-11-14 02:09pm

.You know what they say about priests and choirboys...

And never mind the revealed map,Ii only do that every so often to check i'm not about get raped by a dozen armies

Luke Starkiller · Post by **Luke Starkiller** » 2006-11-14 03:58pm

Dartzap wrote:.You know what they say about priests and choirboys...

And never mind the revealed map,Ii only do that every so often to check i'm not about get raped by a dozen armies

It even shows -1 Purity.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-11-14 04:09pm

Do the old ~ console codes from RTW like "toggle_fow" still work? I know it's a cheat, but I really hate the fact that I don't even know where a city is until I explore the area. It's not as if campaigning armies back then didn't have maps telling them where major cities were. I haven't had time to get out to the store today and pick up a copy.

Master of Cards · Post by **Master of Cards** » 2006-11-14 04:49pm

Darth Wong wrote:Do the old ~ console codes from RTW like "toggle_fow" still work? I know it's a cheat, but I really hate the fact that I don't even know where a city is until I explore the area. It's not as if campaigning armies back then didn't have maps telling them where major cities were. I haven't had time to get out to the store today and pick up a copy.

yes they do

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2006-11-14 05:23pm

Dartzap wrote:The Papal States do stuff? I'm on Medium/Easy And I have yet to see one of the popes march out of Rome.

It did help that the Scicilians had a death wish and attacked Rome.

2000AD's sneaky tip to keep in the good books of the Pope:
Position a diplomat next to Rome. Capture and pillage a Catholic town. Pope gets annoyed. Give Pope a slice of the loot (1000 works nice). Watch Pope become happy again.

I've taken to calling them the Paypal States now.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2006-11-14 05:28pm

2000AD wrote:2000AD's sneaky tip to keep in the good books of the Pope:
Position a diplomat next to Rome. Capture and pillage a Catholic town. Pope gets annoyed. Give Pope a slice of the loot (1000 works nice). Watch Pope become happy again.

I've taken to calling them the Paypal States now.

Making the Pope your partner in crime is the Guiscard solution

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-11-14 06:33pm

Ubiquitous wrote:Vymple, the game looks sexy on your system - we need some full screenshots from major battles!

Next major battle I have in my campaign, I'll post screencaps.

Oh yes, it does look sexy

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-11-14 07:37pm

Custom battle, Greeks versus Mongols:

Latinkon about to charge

(Gripe about the Latinkon- shouldn't their be Latinkon equipped with much more modern armor for the High/ Late period? They're Western troops, even by CA's crappy "obsolete" logic about Constantinople)

Kataphractoi at rest

Army before battle

Charging

The screencaps would be better quality if I had a real screenshot program and wasn't just using Paint to Save As "Print Scrn" as .jpegs.

It's surprisingly hard to take good screencaps too.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2006-11-14 08:13pm

Gonna pick up the game tomorrow, and I'll start off as the only Medieval Roman Empire that mattered...the German one!*glares at Vympel*

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-11-14 08:35pm

Lonestar wrote:Gonna pick up the game tomorrow, and I'll start off as the only Medieval Roman Empire that mattered...the German one!*glares at Vympel*

The "Holy Roman Empire" was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.

(I'll be playing them after the Eastern Roman Empire, though)

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2006-11-14 09:13pm

Vympel wrote:
The "Holy Roman Empire" was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.

It will be when I'm done with it.

(Holy means "Kill anyone who disagrees with me", right?)

Vehrec · Post by **Vehrec** » 2006-11-14 09:28pm

Lonestar wrote:
Vympel wrote:
The "Holy Roman Empire" was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.
It will be when I'm done with it.

(Holy means "Kill anyone who disagrees with me", right?)

That would be the classical definition, yeah. Some people take exception to it, but I find they are much quieter after you kill 60,000 people and put their heads on pikes. If you have enough men to carry all those pikes, its even better.

atg · Post by **atg** » 2006-11-14 10:41pm

Vehrec wrote:
Lonestar wrote:
Vympel wrote:
The "Holy Roman Empire" was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.
It will be when I'm done with it.

(Holy means "Kill anyone who disagrees with me", right?)
That would be the classical definition, yeah. Some people take exception to it, but I find they are much quieter after you kill 60,000 people and put their heads on pikes. If you have enough men to carry all those pikes, its even better.

Like this?

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2006-11-14 11:40pm

Lonestar wrote:
Vympel wrote:
The "Holy Roman Empire" was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.
It will be when I'm done with it.

(Holy means "Kill anyone who disagrees with me", right?)

Pretender! Do not soil the Imperial dignitas of Rome!

NRS Guardian · Post by **NRS Guardian** » 2006-11-15 02:17am

Vympel wrote: (Gripe about the Latinkon- shouldn't their be Latinkon equipped with much more modern armor for the High/ Late period? They're Western troops, even by CA's crappy "obsolete" logic about Constantinople)

You might be able to give them better armor by upgrading it, which you can do in a skirmish by hitting the shield button giving a unit up to a gold shield. I'm pretty sure I heard that in M2:TW upgrading armor now changes the armor on the unit on the battlefield. I think that is why in the IGN faction previews they mention that Feudal Knights can have mail to plate armor.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2006-11-15 02:47am

Lil update.

Long time the HRE in the east launched another attack. I let them for now, as I got other worries, as the Danes invaded me from the north (or tried anyway). I steamrolled towards their capital and the sacking of it gave me the much needed money to keep up my upkeep. They still hold some territories to the east and I have no idea who holds Scandinavia right now. They don't seem to have huge armies left, but they have a huge fleet with better ships as well which are causing a lot of trouble.

Portugal went quiet and after lots of their nagging, I accepted their peacedeal when it turned out Spain became a power to be recon with. I captured their northern city border, barely managed to fend off a rather unexpected quick counterattack from a large army, only to see there are 2 more large armies incoming. Next turns will be interesting.

Oh and scouting the britisch islands showed that half is Scottisch, one turned rebel and the Englisch themselve only hold 3 regions. This will ease up the victory conditions.

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-11-15 06:33am

NRS Guardian wrote: You might be able to give them better armor by upgrading it, which you can do in a skirmish by hitting the shield button giving a unit up to a gold shield. I'm pretty sure I heard that in M2:TW upgrading armor now changes the armor on the unit on the battlefield. I think that is why in the IGN faction previews they mention that Feudal Knights can have mail to plate armor.

Yes, the armor of units is visibly different on the battlefield depending on their upgrades- a very nice feature. However, Latinkon can only undergo one upgrade, it seems- going from Skirmish.

In fact, it looks like all the upgrades in Skirmish only go up one- for Turkey and Byzantium anyway ...

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-11-15 09:39am

God, the Pope's an idiot. The Danes lay siege to one of my newly captured Rebel cities (Bruge) while my King with his mighty army is less than a turn away, I smash them and then immediately lay siege to neighbouring Antwerp, and the Pope threatens me to with excommunication.

What's good for the Danes is apparently not good for me, eh?

A Crusade was called against Antioch, but Venice got there way before me (no surprise). My crusader army is now stuck next to Constantinople with nothing to do. I'm going to move it in to the Holy Land anyway, somehow. I just hired a mercenary galley for the purpose- a nice feature.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2006-11-15 03:33pm

I have noticed that when the Pope says "Stop attacking this faction" they also stop attacking me, so i guess he sends a simular order to the rival faction as well.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2006-11-15 06:22pm

Vympel wrote:God, the Pope's an idiot. The Danes lay siege to one of my newly captured Rebel cities (Bruge) while my King with his mighty army is less than a turn away, I smash them and then immediately lay siege to neighbouring Antwerp, and the Pope threatens me to with excommunication.

What's good for the Danes is apparently not good for me, eh?

A Crusade was called against Antioch, but Venice got there way before me (no surprise). My crusader army is now stuck next to Constantinople with nothing to do. I'm going to move it in to the Holy Land anyway, somehow. I just hired a mercenary galley for the purpose- a nice feature.

BETRAY AND LOOT THE BYZANTINES! DO IT! DO IT!