New Star Trek Legacy Videos

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2006-11-22 08:42pm

Enjoy.

Downloads are rather large...

Videos

Medic · Post by **Medic** » 2006-11-23 12:08am

I remember a Star Trek space-fighter game for the PS1, if you could include something along those lines into this game that would be TWICE as awesome, at least.

As far as strategy, looks like that game would boil down to N-Squared a lot but the phaser / torpedo mix hints at some deeper strategy. Cause of Gears of War and this, I'm thinking of an X360 big time now.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-11-23 12:27am

You've clearly never played a SFC game. LOL!

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-11-23 12:53am

That looked really cool, but I can't get used to the idea of Warbirds being blown up by Akiras and Ambassadors, I'm sorry. Maybe it's just the Trekkie in me but when I saw the Galaxy going straight for the base and him moving in three ships to decoy for it, I thought, holy shit that Warbird is going to wipe the floor with all three of those junkers, and then the Warbird blows up after getting hit by a couple torpedoes, what the fuck. And maybe it was the video quality, but I didn't see nearly enough green pulses. The Warbirds seemed to just fly around taking potshots more than shooting back. And there wasn't nearly enough torpedoes, he fired maybe ten torpedoes with his Galaxy the whole mission.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-11-23 01:00am

Trailers = fanservice. The game is probably balanced differently, they're just appealling to the 'zomg teh FEEDEDERRRS' crowd by showing off the uber hero ships.

Course, it seems the game suffers from ship design-itis, with the thirty-odd Fed ships being more than half the roster.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2006-11-23 01:09am

Brian, at one point in the video one of the guys says it's on easy mode. But I do agree that the Romulan fleet seemed like too much of a non-issue.

Course, it seems the game suffers from ship design-itis, with the thirty-odd Fed ships being more than half the roster.

Are you serious? Jesus.

That was one thing I liked about Klingon Academy; the Klingon and Romulan fleets were fleshed out as much as the Federation fleet was.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2006-11-23 01:15am

I believe in the skirmish mode they mention having to fill out the other races rosters up to and including little one-off ships.

That and part of any design-itis problems are liable to be because the feds seem to change their ship roster more than anyone else I can remember from Trek.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-11-23 01:18am

Brian, at one point in the video one of the guys says it's on easy mode. But I do agree that the Romulan fleet seemed like too much of a non-issue.

I could barely hear what they were saying, on a laptop speaker. I assume on normal or hard mode, he could not have just sat around for ten minutes ignoring the mission objective and waited for 30 Valdores to swarm around and blown them up like Voyager taking out Kazon.

What I did hear was "shields down" half a dozen times, and none of his ships were blown up though some came close. That must be some nice adamantium they have there

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I didn't see any Warbirds decloak. You've got to have some decloak in your face when you're fighting Warbirds, that's the whole point of them.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-11-23 01:19am

SylasGaunt wrote:That and part of any design-itis problems are liable to be because the feds seem to change their ship roster more than anyone else I can remember from Trek.

Yeah, but it's still lame. Their site seems to suggest three Romulan designs in total, against all the Fedder designs. The SFC-esque fleshed out fleets at least gave you more options thatn 'one warbird' or 'two warbirds' or 'a warbird and a valdore'.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2006-11-23 01:21am

brianeyci wrote:
I could barely hear what they were saying, on a laptop speaker. I assume on normal or hard mode, he could not have just sat around for ten minutes ignoring the mission objective and waited for 30 Valdores to swarm around and blown them up like Voyager taking out Kazon.

FYI there are no Valdores.

What I did hear was "shields down" half a dozen times, and none of his ships were blown up though some came close. That must be some nice adamantium they have there .

Yeah, but that's because the enemy was on easy, and wasn't using their photons as much as a competent player would. I think the guy mentioned that he wasn't very good at the game.

I didn't see any Warbirds decloak. You've got to have some decloak in your face when you're fighting Warbirds, that's the whole point of them.

Warbirds have cloak, and that is shown in one of the three videos. It is not shown from the enemies perspective though, and the Romulan AI not using cloak probably has something to do with it being set to easy.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2006-11-23 01:22am

Stark wrote:
SylasGaunt wrote:That and part of any design-itis problems are liable to be because the feds seem to change their ship roster more than anyone else I can remember from Trek.
Yeah, but it's still lame. Their site seems to suggest three Romulan designs in total, against all the Fedder designs. The SFC-esque fleshed out fleets at least gave you more options thatn 'one warbird' or 'two warbirds' or 'a warbird and a valdore'.

There are 80 ships, and quite a few romulan, klingon, and borg designs.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-11-23 01:25am

Kamakazie Sith wrote:There are 80 ships, and quite a few romulan, klingon, and borg designs.

Where is this list you speak of!

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-11-23 01:25am

Kamakazie Sith wrote:FYI there are no Valdores.

I am looking at a four inch by four inch window playing from that link. I could barely see what kind of ships they were, and was assuming from the way they were going "Romulan ship destroyed" every two seconds, they were battling something less than a Warbird. I can't get any of the microsoft.com links to work, not even when I use IE, and I could only get the embed to work when I used IE instead of Opera.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2006-11-23 01:33am

Stark wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:There are 80 ships, and quite a few romulan, klingon, and borg designs.
Where is this list you speak of!

Ships List

Disclaimer -

1 - This might be considered a spoiler by some so you've been warned.

2 - I'm 90% sure they are all playable. Note 90% sure...

3 - The large number comes from refits, for example TOS to TOS Movie designs.

*edit - Those stats don't really make any sense. I don't see how the designers could make the Warbird turn faster than the Defiant, and still have a straight face.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2006-11-23 01:35am

brianeyci wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:FYI there are no Valdores.
I am looking at a four inch by four inch window playing from that link. I could barely see what kind of ships they were, and was assuming from the way they were going "Romulan ship destroyed" every two seconds, they were battling something less than a Warbird. I can't get any of the microsoft.com links to work, not even when I use IE, and I could only get the embed to work when I used IE instead of Opera.

I recommend you get to a bigger screen so you can really enjoy it.

Medic · Post by **Medic** » 2006-11-23 01:52am

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Stark wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:There are 80 ships, and quite a few romulan, klingon, and borg designs.
Where is this list you speak of!
Ships List

Disclaimer -

1 - This might be considered a spoiler by some so you've been warned.

2 - I'm 90% sure they are all playable. Note 90% sure...

3 - The large number comes from refits, for example TOS to TOS Movie designs.

*edit - Those stats don't really make any sense. I don't see how the designers could make the Warbird turn faster than the Defiant, and still have a straight face.

... Why is it the best looking Trek / Wars games also have to be the most lazily researched? Reminds me of the Carrack-cruiser sized ISD's and World Devastators in the Rogue Squadron games. Lazy and criminal, I'd rather those be left out than included in drastically reduced sizes. JESUS, the Nebula is the fastest Trek ship! And not something with much, much less mass and inertia?

Still... with all those ship classes, they could probably put Wolf 359 in a single player mission with the goal of surviving for 30 seconds or something.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-11-23 01:59am

What's this 'all fedder ships have aft torps' thingy?

atg · Post by **atg** » 2006-11-23 02:02am

SPC Brungardt wrote:Reminds me of the Carrack-cruiser sized ISD's and World Devastators in the Rogue Squadron games.

And don't forget you could take those ISDs out with a single fighter by hitting the 'shield domes'* and then firing on the bridge, which causes the ship to skew wildly off course and plumet into the planet below.

*Said shield domes are what we know as the sensor domes and the powerplant bulge on the underside.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2006-11-23 02:03am

Stark wrote:What's this 'all fedder ships have aft torps' thingy?

It should be noted that the ENT mirror universe episodes with the Constitution class USS Defiant had rear firing torpedoes so maybe they just took liberty with that.

SPC Brungardt summed it up nicely though. Lack of research...

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-11-23 02:08am

Oh, really? Wasn't Defiant a pre-refit? Where are the torp tubes aft?

Or are we just blaming ENT and moving on?

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2006-11-23 02:40am

Stark wrote:Oh, really? Wasn't Defiant a pre-refit? Where are the torp tubes aft?

Or are we just blaming ENT and moving on?

Yes, she was a pre-refit.

As for the torp tubes...well judge for yourself. It looks like they come from just above the shuttle bay. The torpedo scene is at 5:00 (FYI)

ENT

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2006-11-23 04:43am

To be honest, it doesn't look like that much of an improvement over Starfleet Command. I do like how they're trying to give wrath of khan style phasers on movie era ships. They obviously did a half-assed job, but its nice to know they didn't ignore it.

I'd say this game is somewhere between Bridge Commander, and Starfleet Command; only with the nifty strategic view and more modern graphics.

I'm a fan of good trek space games, and this doesn't really do anything for me. I'd try it without paying for it, if it were available on the PC, but overall I'd say its a meh title. I've yet to see a game which can honestly re-create the fight from Wrath of Khan. Oh well.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2006-11-23 11:46am

InnocentBystander wrote:To be honest, it doesn't look like that much of an improvement over Starfleet Command. I do like how they're trying to give wrath of khan style phasers on movie era ships. They obviously did a half-assed job, but its nice to know they didn't ignore it.

Can you elaborate on the half assed job? It looks pretty good to me, and in what aspects does it look like they didn't improve over SFC? Legacy for all its faults does look a lot better than SFC.

I'd say this game is somewhere between Bridge Commander, and Starfleet Command; only with the nifty strategic view and more modern graphics.

You mean in terms of gameplay then, and not graphics...

I'm a fan of good trek space games, and this doesn't really do anything for me. I'd try it without paying for it, if it were available on the PC, but overall I'd say its a meh title. I've yet to see a game which can honestly re-create the fight from Wrath of Khan. Oh well.

It is available on the PC.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2006-11-23 01:58pm

Stark wrote:Oh, really? Wasn't Defiant a pre-refit? Where are the torp tubes aft?

Or are we just blaming ENT and moving on?

I'm inclined to "blame ENT and move on".

Also, refit doesn't even play into this because where the hell are the aft tubes on the refit model?

atg wrote:
SPC Brungardt wrote:Reminds me of the Carrack-cruiser sized ISD's and World Devastators in the Rogue Squadron games.
And don't forget you could take those ISDs out with a single fighter by hitting the 'shield domes'* and then firing on the bridge, which causes the ship to skew wildly off course and plumet into the planet below.

*Said shield domes are what we know as the sensor domes and the powerplant bulge on the underside.

"Shield domes" has been around for a loooong time. I don't think that meme is ever going away, at least not in the games, because as soon as someone pipes up with "you know, those are actually sensor domes" someone else is going to say something like "yeah but every other game has them as shield domes so if we change it people who played any other games are either going to be confused or they'll think we're stupid".

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2006-11-23 02:02pm

I'm inclined to "blame ENT and move on".

Why? TOS hinted at half a dozen launchers spread around the ship.

Also, refit doesn't even play into this because where the hell are the aft tubes on the refit model?

There's room for one aft launcher in the black area where the neck meets the secondary hull.