.60 caliber Nitro!

[Uraniun235]

In short, what I am saying is that whoever buys this gun will do so with the express intention of impressing gun-ignorant women with what manly men they are.

...Everything a man buys for aesthetic reasons is intended to impress a woman?

[darthbob88]

In short, what I am saying is that whoever buys this gun will do so with the express intention of impressing gun-ignorant women with what manly men they are.

...Everything a man buys for aesthetic reasons is intended to impress a woman?

By the spiked yamsack of Ares, I was not expecting a response to that little gem so late in the thread. Still, I suppose I was a bit hasty with that statement. My reasoning was: A pistol which only gives you one shot is clearly impractical for most purposes of hunting and target shooting*. Therefore, in order to justify purchasing it, it must have some utility aside from mere practicality. As an 18-year old male, the first answer that came to mind was a simple one: WOMEN! Like cool sports cars and flashy suits, its major utility is to attract members of the opposite sex. My reasons are clear, logical, and simple. And wrong. Just par for the course.
*As noted later, it could just be a warped sense of fun that motivates people to buy it.

[Major Maxillary]

Where does one draw the line between pistol and rifle anyway, that thing is big enough to be a small rifle.

If it has a stock and a rifled barrel about 20" long, it's a rifle.

stock + short rifled barrel = carbine

no stock + very short barrel = pistol


no rifling = musket/hand cannon

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Did somebody say penis theory? Because I think I just heard somebody say penis theory!


Back to the topic; I would like to get a die and mold set for this round. simply because I like the idea of being able to put a inch wide hole through an engine block.

As far as power is concerned, nothing beats the old super cartridges like .45-70 and .600 nitro.

Seriously, never get into a gunfight with a buffalo hunter.

[darthbob88]

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Did somebody say penis theory? Because I think I just heard somebody say penis theory!

Ahem, sir, I believe I used the term "trouser snake", rather than its medical synonym. Still, I maintain that there is no practical utility for a pistol that only gives you one shot, and that it might logically serve, ah, less utilitarian purposes. Purposes such as displaying one's manly virility, or perhaps simply for the entertainment of shooting such a huge pistol. See my most recent post in this thread.

Back to the topic; I would like to get a die and mold set for this round. simply because I like the idea of being able to put a inch wide hole through an engine block.

As far as power is concerned, nothing beats the old super cartridges like .45-70 and .600 nitro.

Seriously, never get into a gunfight with a buffalo hunter.

Indeed, this thing shoots .600 nitro. And I agree, a buffalo gun is too much for fighting with. Although, that sentiment seems at odds with your siggy.

[Major Maxillary]

Ahem, sir, I believe I used the term "trouser snake", rather than its medical synonym. Still, I maintain that there is no practical utility for a pistol that only gives you one shot, and that it might logically serve, ah, less utilitarian purposes. Purposes such as displaying one's manly virility, or perhaps simply for the entertainment of shooting such a huge pistol. See my most recent post in this thread.

I just find it annoying when everyone goes on about how owning big guns = penis envy, which has never been proven.

There's no utility for science fiction, either. Or fireworks, or a car that can go faster than the maximum speed limit. it's all just entertainment.

shooting stuff is fun, especially when you're shooting off a big gun.

Indeed, this thing shoots .600 nitro. And I agree, a buffalo gun is too much for fighting with. Although, that sentiment seems at odds with your siggy.

You misinterpereted me; I meant don't get into a gunfight against any buffalo hunters. with a .45-70 Shiloh Sharps Long Range Express there ain't no such thing as cover. this fact is doubly so for a .600 nitro elephant gun.

Sure you only get one shot, but you know what? That's all you need.

[Winston Blake]

So when do they up the ante to .75 caliber? And make the round an armor-piercing rocket?

Well, technically we've already got them, except for the rocket part.


The 'FRAG-12'. A high explosive round family designed to be fired from 12 gauge shotguns, i.e. .73 caliber. One round type is called High Explosive Armour Piercing.


I say fire those from a standalone XM26 LSS shotgun (5-round magazine, supposed be mounted under rifle barrels) with a fully collapsible para stock, and that's pretty close to a bolter.


Now, if you want a ridiculously large caliber handgun, I think an XM320 underbarrel 40mm grenade launcher fired one-handed would be near the limit. That'd be a 1.57 caliber 'pistol', able to punch through 2 inches of armour steel.

[Major Maxillary]

XM320

Basically an AG36 minus the failed weapons program.

with the low pressure rounds it wouldn't be too hard. I fired an M203 in basic, and the recoil is around the same as a .454, give or take.

of course, theM203 has some metal parts, the AG36 is mostly plastic. since it's lighter, expect more recoil.

[CaptainChewbacca]

re: AG36- I WANT ONE NOW!

Seriously, what would you do if someone pointed that at you? It'd shoot through bulletproof glas like nothing, methinks.

[darthbob88]

Ahem, sir, I believe I used the term "trouser snake", rather than its medical synonym. Still, I maintain that there is no practical utility for a pistol that only gives you one shot, and that it might logically serve, ah, less utilitarian purposes. Purposes such as displaying one's manly virility, or perhaps simply for the entertainment of shooting such a huge pistol. See my most recent post in this thread.

I just find it annoying when everyone goes on about how owning big guns = penis envy, which has never been proven.

There's no utility for science fiction, either. Or fireworks, or a car that can go faster than the maximum speed limit. it's all just entertainment. shooting stuff is fun, especially when you're shooting off a big gun.

My thinking was that a pistol with a bore that big, which only fires one shot at a time, that provides almost-overkill, can serve no practical purpose. As an 18-yo male, with too little blood in my hormone stream, the first explanation I came up with was women! My reasoning was clear, simple, and wrong. Nothing new to see here.

Indeed, this thing shoots .600 nitro. And I agree, a buffalo gun is too much for fighting with. Although, that sentiment seems at odds with your siggy.

You misinterpreted me; I meant don't get into a gunfight against any buffalo hunters. with a .45-70 Shiloh Sharps Long Range Express there ain't no such thing as cover. this fact is doubly so for a .600 nitro elephant gun.

Sure you only get one shot, but you know what? That's all you need.
<snip pic of .600 nitro>

Ah. So. Wow. Think you've got enough stopping power there? I will concede that point, but I maintain that that hand-cannon serves purposes aside from practical ones.

[Major Maxillary]

re: AG36- I WANT ONE NOW!

Seriously, what would you do if someone pointed that at you? It'd shoot through bulletproof glas like nothing, methinks.

standard DP ammo would kill any armored car., against people in direct fire; you'd get a shaped charge fragmentary explosive lodge in your gut, if it hit something hard and it goes off it'll probably reduce everything above the waist into hamburger.

Ah. So. Wow. Think you've got enough stopping power there? I will concede that point, but I maintain that that hand-cannon serves purposes aside from practical ones.

The round exerts more footpounds than a .50 BMG, so yeah, I got plenty of power to do just about anything you need it to do. plus; it's ten calibers larger than a .50 bullet so you can fit more explosives into it.

It's very practical; if you need defense against large bears and rowdy road warriors on technicals in California nothing'll beat it.

because it's both more powerful than .50, and it's still legal in all 50 states.

There are more powerful rounds, but not many.


Utility be damned!

[The Yosemite Bear]

I kinda liked the joke about california law defining a fire arm as a chemical reaction projectile. While a linier induction weapon is considered an illegal exotic weapon under federal law. If you wanted to steal from sherlock holmes, a spring, pnumonic, or hydro/vapor expansion projectile is actually not covered under existing laws. (not that they weren't around when the laws were passed, they are just too inefficiant compared to chemical reaction, and with a severe physical limiter on a spring propulsion device) however with modern technology a flash vapor product using distilled water, and a non corrosive tubing can not compete with cordite based propulsion, (to the point that popular mechanics has suggested it for would be amature rocketry/space enthuiests.)

[Winston Blake]

The round exerts more footpounds than a .50 BMG, so yeah, I got plenty of power to do just about anything you need it to do.

Huh? I find .50 BMG as delivering 17 000 J, whereas .600 NE only does 10 000 J. It's not just energy either, it's got more momentum too.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

The round exerts more footpounds than a .50 BMG, so yeah, I got plenty of power to do just about anything you need it to do.

Huh? I find .50 BMG as delivering 17 000 J, whereas .600 NE only does 10 000 J. It's not just energy either, it's got more momentum too.

I believe we've left the .600 NE behind now. Major Maxillary is talking about a grenade launcher, if I'm following his participation in the thread correctly.

[AMX]

The round exerts more footpounds than a .50 BMG, so yeah, I got plenty of power to do just about anything you need it to do.

Huh? I find .50 BMG as delivering 17 000 J, whereas .600 NE only does 10 000 J. It's not just energy either, it's got more momentum too.

I believe we've left the .600 NE behind now. Major Maxillary is talking about a grenade launcher, if I'm following his participation in the thread correctly.

No, that's the other half of his post; that sentence did refer to the nitro cartridge (although I suspect he mixed it up with the .700 NE)

Anyway, WB, could you be so kind and post your entire calculations (sticking to SI units, if possible)?

[Winston Blake]

Anyway, WB, could you be so kind and post your entire calculations (sticking to SI units, if possible)?

The U.S. M33 .50 BMG military load uses a 668 grain FMJ-BT bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2910 fps with muzzle energy (ME) of 12,550 ft. lbs. The U.S. M2 military load uses a 720 grain FMJ-BT bullet at a MV of 2810 fps and ME of 12,600 ft. lbs.

Taking the weaker M33, their energy value comes out right, and equates to 17 kJ.

Wikipedia gives 10.29 kJ for the muzzle energy of the .600 NE.

[Winston Blake]

re: AG36- I WANT ONE NOW!

Seriously, what would you do if someone pointed that at you? It'd shoot through bulletproof glas like nothing, methinks.

Now, the Apache helicopter's 30mm autocannon often fires HEDP rounds. These have the same penetration (2 in) as the 40x46mm HEDP.

The 30mm gun systems were very lethal and destroyed targets at ranges out to 4 kilometers when accurate. One T-72 turret (rear portion) was penetrated by 30mm HEDP rounds.

So forget bulletproof glass, it could kill main battle tanks. The catch is you'd have to pull a Luke Skywalker to get close enough and hit the weakest spot (rear of turret), and even then the T-72 is a relatively old tank.