B5 Shadows vs Empire

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-08-01 06:21pm

There is a wonderful substance in the star wars universe known as bacta. It cures almost any disease. Also the shadows would have to deploy that Plague.how would they do so without being noticed?

If they where to use tatooine for example. That is a world occupied by the empire.

Random low ranking imp offecer(RLRIO):Sir, there are alien ships that fit the profile of shadow ships entering orbit, they are droping some kind of biogenetic plague.

Captain: launch fighters, signal the fleet we need to quarantine this planet

RLRIO: Yes sir

a few minutes later a fleet of ISDs and support ships blockaded the planet no one gets in or out. The population is notified of the shadow plague. and a cure is found(most likely in the form of bacta)

problem solved

Dead on Arrival · Post by **Dead on Arrival** » 2002-08-01 06:40pm

There is a wonderful substance in the star wars universe known as bacta. It cures almost any disease. Also the shadows would have to deploy that Plague.how would they do so without being noticed?

I already posted several excerpts in relation to Bacta, and the information shown suggests it would not be effective against curing something like Ebola, etc.

If they where to use tatooine for example. That is a world occupied by the empire.

The only reason there were forces there in ANH was because of the search for the droids.

Random low ranking imp offecer(RLRIO):Sir, there are alien ships that fit the profile of shadow ships entering orbit, they are droping some kind of biogenetic plague.

Random low ranking imp officer can detect alien ships because? He knows they are Shadow vessels because? Shadow ship releases plague instead of landing and letting it loose on teh ground, because?

Captain: launch fighters, signal the fleet we need to quarantine this planet

RLRIO: Yes sir

a few minutes later a fleet of ISDs and support ships blockaded the planet no one gets in or out. The population is notified of the shadow plague. and a cure is found(most likely in the form of bacta)

problem solved

Well, IF the Imperials actually have a presence on a backwater like Tattoine and IF they can detect the naturally stealthy Shadow ships which can exit Hyperspace in the planet's atmosphere if needed then yes they might be able to radidly react as such. However, the Imperial officer, if there was actually one there in the first place, would never detect the SV in question as it would take steps to minimize its detection. It doesn't have to spread the plague visibily, instead releasing a small amount into the air near a spaceport.

Problem is only solved, if the SW universe is as you portray it. It most certainly is not...

adam warlock · Post by **adam warlock** » 2002-08-01 07:03pm

i don't remember them ever mentioning that they folded hyperspace around the ship, are you talking about the fleet that was going to take out the centari homeworld? I don't remember them ever mentioning it,

marcus described the hyperspace aberation as hyperspace folded upon itself, before he & susan discovered the vorlon fleet (inside it), in the episode "the summoning". this was before arkada 7 was destroyed.

also, navigation is all in the computer of the YR races ships, its not hard to take candy from a baby, hook up a lot of navigation droids and protocol droids to the computer, and they'll be able to figure it out given some time

but the sw ships will still be limited through use of hyperspace beacons the yr use.. though their own sensor range would improve things. i still cant see them being able to roam hyperspace as freely as shadows or vorlons.

Executor · Post by **Executor** » 2002-08-01 07:14pm

This Shadow plague is nanites right? Nanites are tiny robots arent they?
If the empire finds this out cant they just use a DEMP(Droid Electromagnetic Pulse) gun on people who have it, and destroy the circuits of the nanites? Assuming that they are tiny robots.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-08-01 07:16pm

He is capable of detecting shadow vessels because of wonderfull things known as sensors.

And after say a year of war with such entities as the shadows and thier alliesit stands to reason that profiles of thier ships have been broadcasted to every imperial base and planet in the starwars galaxy.

And what evidence.
What evidence do you have that bacta could not cure a simple illness like ebola(sure ebola is very lethal and it kills humans in a matter of days bt still.

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2002-08-01 09:25pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:H\

What evidence do you have that bacta could not cure a simple illness like ebola(sure ebola is very lethal and it kills humans in a matter of days bt still.

Read the quotes he posted on the last fuckin' page.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-02 12:38am

Krytos virus is DNA selective, and Bacta treats it fine. In fact, all viruses operate by affecting DNA in cells. Bacta cures viruses. I don't see how your statement is true, DOA, unless you have some other evidence.

Dead on Arrival · Post by **Dead on Arrival** » 2002-08-02 01:05am

I concede on my point that Bacta can't be used against viruses like Ebola or what have you. The limited information I have on it suggested it would not be effective, but the novel says otherwise. This does not mean Bacta will be able to remove the Plague, but if an infected person was emersed would be able to live...though I would assume there are some conditions even Bacta cannot cure. In addition, certain viruses once active maybe too fast acting from the onset of symptoms to death for emersion in a Bacta tank to do any good, as the first real sign there is something wrong will be the symptoms. Scarily, what about a virus with no symptoms. It simply causes total systemic failure seconds after infection? Super never agent, or what have you...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-02 01:12am

Virus with no symptoms? Are you aware what a symptom is? It's a reaction to the virus' presense. Shit, dropping dead is a symptom. You eliminate the symptoms, you've eliminated the virus.

Dead on Arrival · Post by **Dead on Arrival** » 2002-08-02 01:19am

Virus with no symptoms? Are you aware what a symptom is? It's a reaction to the virus' presense. Shit, dropping dead is a symptom. You eliminate the symptoms, you've eliminated the virus.

Yes, but if an entire worlds population drops dead suddenly of this fast-acting killer virus...there isn't going to be anyone to cure it!

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-02 01:28am

Dead on Arrival wrote:
Virus with no symptoms? Are you aware what a symptom is? It's a reaction to the virus' presense. Shit, dropping dead is a symptom. You eliminate the symptoms, you've eliminated the virus.
Yes, but if an entire worlds population drops dead suddenly of this fast-acting killer virus...there isn't going to be anyone to cure it!

The return of the 'Put Me In The Perfect Place And Don't Ask How I Got There' fallacy.

How, prey, will you get this virus to worlds? Keep in mind you must go for months to reach the wormhole, encounter the Imperial chokepoint defenses there, travel for months on the other side, and then pray your chosen target doesn't have planetary shields.

All in all, not a good bet.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-02 01:36am

No, DOA, a symptom is not necessarily a reaction to the virus' presence. Viruses do damage to people's bodies. They invade cells using their own RNA strands, and get those cells to start building more viruses. When the cells have enough viruses in them, they burst. The viruses spill out, invade new cells, and those cells start cranking out viruses, and so on and so forth.

SOME symptoms are caused by the body's reaction to the virus (helper T cells attacking throat cells so as to eliminate viruses, which isn't very helpful and creates a sore throat), but for the most part deadly pathogens are deadly because of what they do to the human body and not because of what the body does to itself.

BTW, how would the Shadow ship even make it into the SW galaxy? For all we know, their range is insufficient, and their inability to damage SW ships would be a serious hindrance.

adam warlock · Post by **adam warlock** » 2002-08-02 04:24am

kryptos virus

this was the codename for Evir Derricote's alien bioweapon. The Krytos virus was developed to affect only aliens, not humans. This was part of Ysanne Isard's master plan to expose the New Republic as unsympathetic to non-humans. The goal of the Krytos virus was to infect all of the aliens on Coruscant just before the Republic could take control of the planet. Then, just as it was trying to position itself as the dominant government in the galaxy, the aliens would suddenly become ill. Originally developed on Borleias, the Krytos virus initially caused a stupor or listlessness in aliens, followed by a dark discoloration of the skin. The skin would later crack and blister, then seem to melt away. The Krytos virus was designed to infect a cell and multiply within the cell until the cell burst from the pressure. The suddenly-release viruses would infect neighboring cells, continuing to multiply and explode cells. The virus affected all cells in an alien's body, including skin, organs, and bones. One unique side effect of the Krytos virus is that it seemed to ignore nerve cells and pain receptors. Thus, the victim was acutely aware of the pain the virus was causing. Derricote developed the Krytos virus with an antidote: it could be counteracted by immersing the victim in large amounts of bacta. The more widespread the virus is, the more bacta is required to eliminate it. This was the second part of Isard's plan. The Republic could save all of the aliens by providing them with bacta, but it would have to bankrupt itself in order to do it

the immediate problem i see is having to immerse each individual in large amounts of bacta..

nevermind that the shadow virus continually adjusts itself, so its doubtful that bacta would eliminate it.
i.e. individuals could go in tanks become cured.. go out and be infected with shadow viruses in a different configuration..and theres a chance that they may catch a particular configuration that is immediately fatal. ALso that the virus in them, while still in the bacta tank, would adjust itself continually to the bacta..

for more info the how the shadow virus acts, heres a synopsis of the show, with very accurate descriptions of the events in the crusade episode "Each night i dream of home".

http://www.visi.com/~wildfoto/synopsis/crusade13.html

Once released into the Earth's atmosphere, the virus infected every air breathing creature. Once inside the host's body, it mutates quickly and they can't find it again
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Franklin tells her that the virus works differently on every species it infects. A cure for Guinea Pigs will only save Guinea Pigs, nothing else. The one thing they all have in common is that it infects all air-breathing mammals. They haven't even been able to isolate the virus. They know it's airborne, but finding something so small in such a huge body of air is nearly impossible. They've gone as small as a 50 micron screen, but they still can't find it. But they know it's there.

Gideon walks in. Having heard the tail end of their conversation, Gideon asks how they know the virus is there. Franklin tells him the day the virus was released, 850 people around the world died of rare strain of Ebola virus. One they'd never seen before. they all got sick at the same time, and they all died roughly at the same time. Two of the dead were on an island in the Pacific where the virus couldn't possibly have reached because no one had come to the island for two weeks due to a hurricane. 48 hours later, another 712 total strangers in different parts of the world all died of a previously unknown strain of Hepatitis B. Others followed.

Chambers says this is how they knew the same virus was operating around the world at the same time, going through progressive changes, mutations, as it adapts to our biology. It keeps popping up in different forms. That's how they got the five year framework. Odds are it'll hit the right mutation within that time period or so completely decimate the entire population through trial and error, there won't be enough people left alive to merit being called humanity
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Franklin reports that the virus entered David's system at 20 microns. It doesn't reproduce. It decompresses like a zipped file. It spreads at an impossibly rate. It's heading right into the brain, the lymph nodes, the bone structure, the liver, the kidney, everywhere. Chambers says it's not spreading everywhere. It's not penetrating any of the non-critical regions. A virus like this should be systemic. Once it's in the bloodstream, it should go where ever the blood goes. It's deliberately bypassing all the non-critical areas of the body. It's directed. It knows where it's going.
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Chambers is relaxing when she receives a call from Franklin. He couldn't sleep. He was thinking about the other nano-virus she's using as a virus screen. She tells him it has some surface similarities to the Drakh virus, but nothing they can use as a cure. He looks over her report that states the nano-virus was controlled by a central computer. The Drakh virus is more sophisticated. They never landed a central computer system on Earth. Chambers wonders what if the virus can communicate with itself? Like a hive mind. What if it's testing them just like they've been testing it? If it's true, then it's bad. Real bad

BTW, how would the Shadow ship even make it into the SW galaxy? For all we know, their range is insufficient, and their inability to damage SW ships would be a serious hindrance.

well they did eventually decide to leave the galaxy off bat, immediately after the end of the battle at corianna6.. so in terms of range i doubt they would have a problem.
they could go in large convoys, with a number of ships carrying supplies and could construct regeneration posts along the way..
and also they do have a faster of way of travelling regarded as "funnelling", consisting of two gates linked to eachother that allows rapid transport, mentioned in the 2nd technomage trilogy novel.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2002-08-02 04:39am

They have to build these gates, don't they have to get to a position first in normal hyperspace so they can build it? then it lets them go really fast? if that is the case, then its still slow

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2002-08-02 05:07am

the Empire with all of their super weapons, (all cannon and official) would be destroying everything in sight, just to make sure,

This is how I see it happening, and for you 5'ers, please debate with me here, see what you think of this,

Empire, discovers the shadows, learns about them from the YR races, The Emperor doesn't like what he hears, and declares that they be exterminated.
-Millions or probe droids are sent out through the b5 galaxy, searching as many planets, moons, and asteroid belts as possible. They are also mapping the galaxy for the Imperials.

-The Empire forces the YR races to give them as much information as they can about the shadows and other first ones, and take starcharts, and jump gate technology from the YR. (how hard can this be when one stardestroyer is equal to 30 thousand yr ships)

-Send hundreds of protocol droids to YR race military installations, and start communicating with the computers, learning what needs to be learned.

-Deploy as many super weapons as possible, lets say 5 Eclipse, 1 sun crusher, a galaxy gun, and a DSII. Thats OVER a 1100 destroyed planets per week. (Have the galaxy gun park out at the wormhole, with many Golan battle stations and a few fleets, guarding it and the wormhole)

-Send the super weapons in and start destroying worlds that have already been cleared by the probe droids, so that the shadows can't relocate anywhere that has already been checked.

-Destroy all YR worlds in a single day, (easily done) try to get the shadows out of hiding

-Destroy as many known shadow worlds as possible

-Escort all super weapons with fleets of stardestroyers

-Use jump point technology from YR races to get into hyperspace (get them to teach you how to use it, as Vader said, motivate them)

-Try and hunt down shadows in hyperspace

-Wash rinse repeat

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2002-08-02 10:12am

Dead on Arrival wrote: Will a cure for HIV work on Ebola? Same principle, only on a much larger scale. The Plague mutates itself into a lethal disease, but during the 5 year incubation period it will find fatal diseases and cause deaths before finding what it deems to be the 'right' one. If you know the Shadow Plague is there, you may be able to remove it. However, since it manifests itself in the form of other diseases...why would you assume it is there?

You have to take the good with the bad. If they change themselves to influenza virus, they can be eliminated by medicines for influenza. If they change themselves to Ebola virus, they can be eliminated by medicines for Ebola. If they change themselves to HIV, they can be eliminated by medicines for HIV. If they change themselves to something the Empire cannot cure, the infected patient will be simply quarantined.

Speaking about incurable disease, we have HIV today. We were not aware with its existence until people were already infected (like Shadow Plague). We also haven't found any effective cure for it.
Yet, we can identify the HIV. We know how it works. And we know how to stop it from spreading. In fact, if *all* people can discipline themselves to use condoms, never use used needles, etc (in other words, *never* exchange body fluids), the disease itself will just slowly dissapear from humankind.

Dead on Arrival wrote: You prove my point better than I ever could. If the Empire attacks them, the Shadows will retaliate. However, there vengeance will not be swift but it will be total.

It seems to me that you confuse MOTIVATION and CAPABILITY. Sure, after the Empire slaughtered Shadows everywhere, their *motivation* to revenge will considerably increase. But I highly doubt their *capability to retaliate will increase as well, especially after their worlds were BDZed to ashes or simply annihilated using the Death Star.

BTW, what do you mean by "total"? Are you implying that the Shadow Plague will totally annihilate the population of Imperial's galaxy? It never happened in B5 Milky Way galaxy. What makes you think it will happen in SW galaxy? Now, let's not strecth our imagination too much......

Dead on Arrival wrote: 11 months? Where are you pulling this figure from? Even normal mode of Hyperspace transport is faster on average than that. Factor in the 'funnel' gates I mentioned, and they can cover that distance rather rapidly. Not as fast SW high-end Hyperdrive I will admit, but fast enough.

Mike Wong's calculation, based on assumption that Shadow FTL is 24 times faster than younger races's FTL speed in B5.

Look, you keep saying "rather rapidly", "fast enough". If you disagree with Wong's 16 hours and 11 months figure, then please show your own numbers rather than using vague words like "rather" or "enough".

Dead on Arrival wrote: The Empire has to find the Shadows first, which is not a given at all. The Shadows have at least base located in deep space, as well as the ability to place installations and forces in Hyperspace.

Agreed. The Empire has to find the Shadows first. So what? The Empire has to find the Rebels first, as well. The fact that no military power in the universe can annihilate the enemy before finding them doesn't automatically translate that the Empire can't find the Shadows.

Also, like any other races, Shadows have starships, planets, and bases. What makes you think the Empire cannot find them? Are you suggesting that the Shadows is some kind of ghosts can only be found by the likes of wizards & shamans? Empire has sensors, scoutships, & probe droids. Empire can buy information or squeeze them from YR.

Dead on Arrival wrote: Beats me. The Drakh dug one up on a Centauri world, and used it to reach the now destroyed base of Xha'dam where they were able to activate a ready Death Cloud and almost complete another before the base was destroyed by Vir and a cabal of Techno-mages. The gates seemed to be similiar to standard jump gates in overall size, so building them shouldn't take too long. As for speed, they were able to cover hundreds/thousands of light years in minutes through the equivalent of a wormhole through HS.

Again, you're using vague words like "shouldn't take too long". How "not too long" is it? "Not too long" enough to catch up with the speed of Imperial invasion? And *please* explain where do you get the "hundreds/thousands light years in minutes" figure.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2002-08-02 11:04am

Dead on Arrival wrote: Yes, but if an entire worlds population drops dead suddenly of this fast-acting killer virus...there isn't going to be anyone to cure it!

Anyway, this is a perfect example of leap of logic. We knew that the plague kills 850 people and 712 people on the next two days (hardly impressive, considering billions of earth's population). But then, abracadabra! DOA get a vision that the virus will suddenly capable of instantly killing the entire worlds population.

adam warlock · Post by **adam warlock** » 2002-08-02 02:17pm

Empire, discovers the shadows, learns about them from the YR races, The Emperor doesn't like what he hears, and declares that they be exterminated.
-Millions or probe droids are sent out through the b5 galaxy, searching as many planets, moons, and asteroid belts as possible. They are also mapping the galaxy for the Imperials.

-The Empire forces the YR races to give them as much information as they can about the shadows and other first ones, and take starcharts, and jump gate technology from the YR. (how hard can this be when one stardestroyer is equal to 30 thousand yr ships)

youre immediately assuming off bat that the shadows would be doing nothing while a large unknown, and powerful, military force make its presence known throughout b5.

similarly the shadows would learn about the empire through the younger races.

-Send hundreds of protocol droids to YR race military installations, and start communicating with the computers, learning what needs to be learned.

the shadows would scout around using the eye..
and it is possible that the shadows have more than one such device since there is canon evidence for it, i.e. ivanova encountering 3 sets of eyes (one in the immediately in front of her, the other two further back to left and right) during her time on the great machine... "walkabout".

-Deploy as many super weapons as possible, lets say 5 Eclipse, 1 sun crusher, a galaxy gun, and a DSII. Thats OVER a 1100 destroyed planets per week. (Have the galaxy gun park out at the wormhole, with many Golan battle stations and a few fleets, guarding it and the wormhole)

dsii... the one with ample space in the reactor chamber.
as for the 5 eclipses and galaxy gun.. the only way the shadow can take them out is to employ ships that use jumppoints, via control pod (pods that took control of centauri capital ships without the need of a crew).

similary through subterfuge the shadows could just get these pods unto imperial ships, i.e. via control of high ranking officers..
i still doubt that the emperor would know whats going on everywhere at the same time.

as for the suncrusher..unless its piloted by the emperor himself it doesnt stand much of a chance against the eye. the eye could easily take it over, given the range it has, and that it was able to subdue lyta...
even then i doubt the emperor would resist (if at all) the eye for long, and if neccessary the shadows would use 2 or 3 such systems on him.

-Use jump point technology from YR races to get into hyperspace (get them to teach you how to use it, as Vader said, motivate them)

-Try and hunt down shadows in hyperspace

try being the operative word here..
imperials getting jump point technology from the yr means theyre still limited to the "follow the beacon" system of navigating through hyperspace.
granted their own sensor tech may improve range of locating and communicating with beacons, they would still be dependent on it.
the shadows could still stay forever out of their range since they have displayed a lack of relying on it.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-08-02 02:56pm

I love the way B5ers and Trekkies' tactical schemes always involve Imperial vessels and Death Stars sitting there nice and pretty while they try to concoct creating ways of using their technology to attack or defeat them. Or better yet, concoct schemes in which people immediately undertake the most hostile genocidal method of war possible (such as bioweapons), as if there would be no reprisal in kind.

The Shadows are not stupid. They would not provoke an unlimited response from an enemy with the sheer destructive power of the Empire by using such extreme tactics, particularly when it would take them a year or more just to reach Imperial territory (if they can do it at all without a vast supply fleet, which would present a big fat slow target) while the Empire could be slagging planets by the hundreds or even thousands on a day's notice. Death Stars aren't even necessary; any ISD has enough firepower to slag a Shadow world and perform the function of a SPK, and the Empire could easily build a thousand of them on short notice (or strip them from their home defense forces if the Empire is unified by an outside threat, which the Shadows would conveniently provide under the B5ers' scenarios).

These moronic notions of the Shadows sending out large fleets of ships (thus weakening their home fleets, which took them a thousand years to rebuild) with the objective of infecting far-off worlds with plague virus (and of course, assuming that the SW planets have neither shields, nanotech, or knowledge of a concept called "quarantine", so it will destroy the entire SW galaxy) assume that they would be willing to risk annihilation from the inevitable reprisals against them, their helper races, and possibly the younger races as well (an enraged galactic Empire is not likely to bother making distinctions), which in turn implies that they are momentously, unbelievably, mind-bendingly stupid.

As for battle tactics: gee, if I was an Imperial fleet admiral and I had a 100:1 or 1000:1 speed advantage over the enemy, I'm sure I'd arrange it so that there would always be enemy forces waiting for me whenever I arrived someplace, ready to do all sorts of things to my ships while I just sit there and do nothing.

This is pathetic. And the worst thing is that the rabid B5ers don't seem to realize that they're emulating the Trekkies in their methods and utter ignorance of realistic tactics or strategies (even if we leave aside the technological issues, on which they emulate them again by inventing never-before-seen tactics through technobabble).

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-08-02 03:07pm

The One Fiver tactic that has always annoyed me is the , "well, they can open up a jump point within the ISD, Enterprise...[insert enemy vessel here] and blow it up" WHEN has that tactic ever been used in the B-5 series? The Minbari, most advanced race in the B-5 universe save for the first ones could only open a jump point within 100 meters of a target that has been PRE sighted. NOT ONCE (at least in the series, I nevert saw that tripe that was Crusade) did I see it happen...Battle of teh Line, Eart is about to die, did Earth Force use that tactic NO....Shadow war...did ANY side use that tactic...NO....Battle at the end, when the Vorlons and Shadows leave thegalaxy, when the OTHER FIRST ONES pop in did they use that tacikc instead of blasting away at the VPK? NO....That tactic simply is not canon and does not work. Stop it already I love B-5 but it is ANNOYING to read that in every vs. Thread.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2002-08-02 03:36pm

youre immediately assuming off bat that the shadows would be doing nothing while a large unknown, and powerful, military force make its presence known throughout b5.

what could they do? send battle crabs to take on stardesstroyers?

similarly the shadows would learn about the empire through the younger races.

learn what?

the shadows would scout around using the eye..
and it is possible that the shadows have more than one such device since there is canon evidence for it, i.e. ivanova encountering 3 sets of eyes (one in the immediately in front of her, the other two further back to left and right) during her time on the great machine... "walkabout".

an assumption, nothing more, so i'll go with the fact that they have 1 eye, yep they are scouting around,
yep thats the empire, yep they have a lot of ships, yep they are guarding the wormhole, yep they got super weapons

dsii... the one with ample space in the reactor chamber.

of course they could! just like the other first ones did that against the vorlon planet...oh wait they didn't...don't even start with the jump point inhibitors, if you can't prove they exist.

as for the 5 eclipses and galaxy gun.. the only way the shadow can take them out is to employ ships that use jumppoints, via control pod (pods that took control of centauri capital ships without the need of a crew).

don't know enough about this method to comment

similary through subterfuge the shadows could just get these pods unto imperial ships, i.e. via control of high ranking officers..
i still doubt that the emperor would know whats going on everywhere at the same time.

don't assume

as for the suncrusher..unless its piloted by the emperor himself it doesnt stand much of a chance against the eye. the eye could easily take it over, given the range it has, and that it was able to subdue lyta...
even then i doubt the emperor would resist (if at all) the eye for long, and if neccessary the shadows would use 2 or 3 such systems on him.

unike the YR, the Empire has the capability to use droids,

-Use jump point technology from YR races to get into hyperspace (get them to teach you how to use it, as Vader said, motivate them)

-Try and hunt down shadows in hyperspace

try being the operative word here..
imperials getting jump point technology from the yr means theyre still limited to the "follow the beacon" system of navigating through hyperspace.
granted their own sensor tech may improve range of locating and communicating with beacons, they would still be dependent on it.
the shadows could still stay forever out of their range since they have displayed a lack of relying on it.

Empire has the ability to communicate in real time across an entire galaxy, so staying in touch wouldn't be a problem, also probe droids, send those out by the millions into hyperspace to make new becons and to sniff for shadow. Aslong as the shadows are runing, they'll have a hard time fighting back

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-02 03:37pm

OH NO! NOT THE EYE OF ZHA'HA'DUM! WHAT SHALL WE DO!?!

Oh, wait, a single Suncrusher, Galaxy Gun, DS-II, or Obliterator-class SD outranges that thing at such a range as to blow away Zha'Ha'Dum without the Eye blinking.

Haha.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2002-08-02 03:38pm

SirNitram wrote:OH NO! NOT THE EYE OF ZHA'HA'DUM! WHAT SHALL WE DO!?!

Oh, wait, a single Suncrusher, Galaxy Gun, DS-II, or Obliterator-class SD outranges that thing at such a range as to blow away Zha'Ha'Dum without the Eye blinking.

Haha.

droids...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-02 03:43pm

Omega-13 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:OH NO! NOT THE EYE OF ZHA'HA'DUM! WHAT SHALL WE DO!?!

Oh, wait, a single Suncrusher, Galaxy Gun, DS-II, or Obliterator-class SD outranges that thing at such a range as to blow away Zha'Ha'Dum without the Eye blinking.

Haha.
droids...

It's more humiliating to hit someone from outside their weapons range and moon them.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-08-02 03:46pm

Everyone here seems to overlook one advantage the Shadows have over the Empire. They have infinite lifespans that allow them to wait out before action for a much longer period of time. Here's how I think it will happen.

After the Empire invades the B5 galaxy, the Shadows move to hyperspace. During the show, they had a staggering 2(!) planets under their control, which means that they don't have a need for planets, or at least that they can do without planets. They build bases in Hyperspace, leaving the Empire to do whatever it wants to with the Young Races or the Drakh. The bases are deep in Hyperspace beyond the reach of the Empire.

The Shadows may even build bases in Hyperspace in the SW galaxy. There is no beacon network there, and constructing one will prove to be very hard for a race that has little control over hyperspace.

No one really knows what happens to the Shadows, and, since they are nowhere to be found, they are presumed to be destroyed by the Empire. The Empire stands down from alert.

Some time later, let's say after 10 years, Shadow scout ships and Battlecrabs phase out from Hyperspace under the planetary shield. Since no one expects them, they can infect dozens of plantes, if it all happens at the same time. The empire goes on alert again, but there are no more attacks, and the Shadows dissapear again.

The incubation period is not 5 years, however, it is 1,000 years. During that time, the plague adapts to every species in the SW galaxy and to every cure there is. Since there is no epidemic, no one implements quarantine. By the end of the 1,000 years, every single living being in the galaxy is infected.

The Shadows spend the millenium reasearching SW technology, or hibernating.

After 1,000 years are over, the Shadows come out with SW-level technology, and the plague kills everyone in the SW galaxy. The Shaodows then proceed back to the B5 galaxy and take full control of it die to thier absolute technological superiority.