"In praise of chastity"

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-12-01 09:20am

wolveraptor wrote:
Hillary wrote:
Kitsune wrote:Chastity is a great concept
Why?
Do you think teenagers ought to be having sex?

Do you have any idea how truly unnatural it is for people to wait until their mid-20s (which is considered early for marriage nowadays) before they have sex?

Hillary · Post by **Hillary** » 2006-12-01 09:21am

Kitsune wrote:
Hillary wrote:
Kitsune wrote:Chastity is a great concept
Why?
Nothing wrong with sex but ther chances of the woman either getting pregnant or either partner getting an STD are either zero or much lower without sex involved. That is all i am saying. The trouble is who actually practices it.

So who, in your opinion, should practice it? Or, if it's easier, who shouldn't?

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2006-12-01 09:38am

Kitsune wrote:
Molyneux wrote:I've BEEN chaste for the past 22 years. I have yet to see ANY positive effects to the practice.
Well, there is always Rosy Palms

What's a seamstress got to do with it?

Really, that gets old REAL fast, at least for me. It's also greatly limited in terms of variety.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-12-01 09:48am

According to the US Census, the median age for first marriage was 27 for males and 25 for females in the USA for the period from 2000 to 2003.

So let's just say it's 26. That's a long time to wait.

Cao Cao · Post by **Cao Cao** » 2006-12-01 10:37am

Hillary wrote:
Kitsune wrote:
Hillary wrote: Why?
Nothing wrong with sex but ther chances of the woman either getting pregnant or either partner getting an STD are either zero or much lower without sex involved. That is all i am saying. The trouble is who actually practices it.
So who, in your opinion, should practice it? Or, if it's easier, who shouldn't?

And I hear the potential for child abuse is zero if nobody has children.

People should not be stopped from doing what's natural to them, and that includes teenagers; that's why proper sex education is what's more important to teach them to be responsable and safe.

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2006-12-01 11:07am

Hillary wrote:So who, in your opinion, should practice it? Or, if it's easier, who shouldn't?

Most people enjoy sex greatly, otherwise people would only have it when they want babies. I am just trying to not badmouth those who decide to although I considere it extremely rare and not practical. Most who think they will not are just fooling themselves. I would not be suprised if the pope has not shagged a few nuns (maybe even a few choir boys)

I agree that mandatory sex ed in school is more effective. I believe those who are not educated in it are more likely to engage in it earlier and with less safety precautions.

Hillary · Post by **Hillary** » 2006-12-01 11:33am

Kitsune wrote:
Hillary wrote:So who, in your opinion, should practice it? Or, if it's easier, who shouldn't?
Most people enjoy sex greatly, otherwise people would only have it when they want babies. I am just trying to not badmouth those who decide to although I considere it extremely rare and not practical. Most who think they will not are just fooling themselves. I would not be suprised if the pope has not shagged a few nuns (maybe even a few choir boys)

I agree that mandatory sex ed in school is more effective. I believe those who are not educated in it are more likely to engage in it earlier and with less safety precautions.

In other words, chastity isn't a great concept.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2006-12-01 12:07pm

Darth Wong wrote:Do you have any idea how truly unnatural it is for people to wait until their mid-20s (which is considered early for marriage nowadays) before they have sex?

I never said they should wait until they're married. I meant to imply that they should wait until it's legal, i.e. 18.

I don't think it's necessarily vital that they wait, just that teenagers are often too immature or irresponsible to practice safe sex that doesn't ruin their relationship. I don't have any hard evidence of this, though. However, since they will be having sex, they obviously need education.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2006-12-01 12:08pm

Magus wrote:Well...Granted this is true, but does one not choose what influence culture has? Christians who abstain because they are Christian are not having cultural effects foisted unfairly upon them - they choose to abstain because they hold a personal value with the traditional teachings and viewpoints of Christianity. That's a personal reason if ever there was one.

Well, where you seem to be saying that they're making a personal choice to be chaste because of their beliefs, I would suggest that since we're talking about chaperoned little kids in a doubtless heavily conservative community, it's 'choice' only insofar as brainwashing, guilt, fearmongering, and parental/community pressure can produce.

I'd be careful to associate the decisions of an adult to follow, say, a vow of celibacy, with a vow of chastity coaxed out of a child with promises of a new dress and a shiny ring, and who doesn't know anything about sex anyway and has probably had a lot of facts that would have been useful in said decision censored for them.

Magus · Post by **Magus** » 2006-12-01 01:02pm

Lagmonster wrote: I'd be careful to associate the decisions of an adult to follow, say, a vow of celibacy, with a vow of chastity coaxed out of a child with promises of a new dress and a shiny ring, and who doesn't know anything about sex anyway and has probably had a lot of facts that would have been useful in said decision censored for them.

Well sure. I suppose what I was getting at was the children have been reliably having sex behind their parents' backs and wishes since..well...forever.

Pint0 Xtreme · Post by **Pint0 Xtreme** » 2006-12-01 05:34pm

Darth Wong wrote:According to the US Census, the median age for first marriage was 27 for males and 25 for females in the USA for the period from 2000 to 2003.

So let's just say it's 26. That's a long time to wait.

Waiting that long for me to have sex is inconceivable. At 21, I simply had to lose my virginity despite being closeted and all that. Sooner or later, your biological imperatives take over.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2006-12-01 05:55pm

Pint0 Xtreme wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:According to the US Census, the median age for first marriage was 27 for males and 25 for females in the USA for the period from 2000 to 2003.

So let's just say it's 26. That's a long time to wait.
Waiting that long for me to have sex is inconceivable. At 21, I simply had to lose my virginity despite being closeted and all that. Sooner or later, your biological imperatives take over.

Especially considering a guy is at his sexual peak at 17. Fucking SEVENTEEN!

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2006-12-01 06:06pm

Hillary wrote:In other words, chastity isn't a great concept.

Let me state it differently then, there are at least reasons behind abstaining from sex. I am more looking at arguing against a jump in everybodies bed type of morals.

LaCroix · Post by **LaCroix** » 2006-12-04 07:03am

wolveraptor wrote:I never said they should wait until they're married. I meant to imply that they should wait until it's legal, i.e. 18.

So 2 teens should be jailed if they have sex? Or how could it be "illegal"?

Here, children are getting "the talk" in school at the age of 12, mandatory.
If you want to have it with you child first, act before that. Most loose virginity in their mid-teens, and I was considered a very late one with 18 (thus to being a nerd with too much time on the PC)

I can't see the point in that fuss about chastity. It seems like that "drive a car once you're 16, join the army with 18 but don't drink beer until 21" crap.