Jesus Camp

AK_Jedi · Post by **AK_Jedi** » 2006-12-06 03:38am

This documentary was released a few months ago, but if you haven't seen it, it's posted online here

This is a very disturbing documentary about ultra-evangelical kids going to bible camp and getting indoctrinated. Watching this movie, I felt better than ever in my decision to become an atheist.

If you don't have enough time to watch the entire movie, a couple of the juicier clips are posted here

EDIT: Sorry, wrong forum, can somebody move to SLAM?

salm · Post by **salm** » 2006-12-06 04:39am

Interesting. The Christian nutacase in the second movie clip actually admits that she finds indoctrination is a good thing.
Of course she doesn´t understand that "it´s good because everyone else does it, too." is a pretty retarded statement.

Post by **Dalton** » 2006-12-06 12:02pm

Say hello to the American al-Qaeda.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2006-12-06 12:52pm

If every thing the Muslims did was OK then why don't we all just become Muslims?

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2006-12-06 12:56pm

IIRC, there was so much bad publicity for the camp following this documentary, they shut down indefinitely. Ironically, the people who ran the camp initially supported the documentary during its production.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2006-12-06 01:06pm

Self-pwn, gg!

I seriously hope this film has a few spiritual successors exposing the Talibanesque direction Christianity is being forced into by assholes such as the Jesus Camp people.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2006-12-06 01:33pm

Davis 51 wrote:IIRC, there was so much bad publicity for the camp following this documentary, they shut down indefinitely. Ironically, the people who ran the camp initially supported the documentary during its production.

And Haggart got his. The Atheist Consipracy has been working hard.

Pint0 Xtreme · Post by **Pint0 Xtreme** » 2006-12-06 01:37pm

I've seen adults and teenagers get to the weeping and falling over at the podium stages but for kids that are 8, 9 or 10 years old?? If anything, that is psychological child abuse. Speaking of which, I did notice towards the end how Becky Fischer was expressing her fear of her loved ones being damned to hell. She appeared sincerely afraid and determined to keep that childish fear from coming to fruition without actually taking the time to analyze those fears. It had that sense of mental illness to her.

Darth Judas · Post by **Darth Judas** » 2006-12-06 04:15pm

I refuse to watch this. Just seeing the trailer gave me the creeps.

*shudders*

LeftWingExtremist · Post by **LeftWingExtremist** » 2006-12-07 04:16am

Darth Judas wrote:I refuse to watch this. Just seeing the trailer gave me the creeps.

*shudders*

Me too, and it was only three quaters the way in. This is scary stuff.

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-12-07 05:08am

Moved as per request.

Magus · Post by **Magus** » 2006-12-07 09:32am

::Shrug:: They're reading Chick tracts (girl in video two, bowling)...what can you expect?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2006-12-07 11:27am

You can get a decent torrent out there. I'm going to watch this, if only because I've got something of an interest in how the American religious right lives. That recent Channel 4 documentary on that new college pouring out fundies to take control of the White House was bad, but this may surpass it.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-12-07 12:07pm

This is really hard to watch. I'm not sure how far I'll get. It's just so scary and sad.

KrauserKrauser · Post by **KrauserKrauser** » 2006-12-07 12:17pm

I saw a trailer of the documentary a few months ago.

When I saw kids crying and writhing on the floor because they were "filled with the Holy Spirit" I couldn't watch any more of it.

No thanks, I'll pass. I already know how crazy they are.

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2006-12-07 12:55pm

CaptJodan wrote:This is really hard to watch. I'm not sure how far I'll get. It's just so scary and sad.

I probably will watch it eventually, but it's going to be hard. The worst part of the trailer was the kid shaking on the ground and people were staring in awe. THE KID LOOKED LIKE HE WAS HAVING A FUCKING SEIZURE.

Yoda · Post by **Yoda** » 2006-12-07 01:30pm

Two "Pledges of alliegiance" from the second part of the full documentary.
Note: Some parts were incomprehensible and may be incorrect, but the core product remains the same.

I pledge alleigiance to the Christian flag , to his saviour to his kingdom for which it stands. One Brotherhood uniting all christians in (incomprehensible) and in love.

I pledge alliegiance to the bible, God's holy word. I will make it a lamp unto my being and a light unto my path. I swear in my heart that I might not sin against God.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-12-07 04:10pm

Well, I finished it, despite my nearly bailing at certain points. Jaw dropping immorality.

The kids talking about how dying for this cause doesn't hold with it fear or anything is just....too much for words. How I wished there was a way to try and get those kids some help. Social services should be called upon those parents for stuff like this. How does someone wrap their brain around the concept that if the Muslims (the vast majority of which DON'T do this) indoctrinate their children to go on a holy war, that it's ok for us to do it too?

Actively promoting a war...not really surprising, I suppose. But it just shocks me that shit like this was aired out in the open with all to see.

Watching Teddy make his speech about being paid not to tell his wife what he did last night. All too priceless to see these days. Probably the one bright spot in the whole damn thing.

Pint0 Xtreme · Post by **Pint0 Xtreme** » 2006-12-07 04:15pm

CaptJodan wrote:Social services should be called upon those parents for stuff like this.

Thinking along those lines, I've wondered why the fuck are these people not being prosecuted for psychological child abuse?

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-12-07 04:24pm

Pint0 Xtreme wrote: Thinking along those lines, I've wondered why the fuck are these people not being prosecuted for psychological child abuse?

I guess the same reason actual child abuse has been handled internally in the Catholic Church. It's a religion, and to attack these people based on psychological child abuse is to discriminate against that religion. Since there is a certain level of psychological abuse to any religious indoctrination as we know it, I'm sure it's hard to draw a line between what they do and what a normal church does when JUST hating gays or calling for people to vote against Stem Cell research.

Tolya · Post by **Tolya** » 2006-12-07 04:36pm

Hmm, one part of it reminds me of Robin Williams' gig...

"What are we supposed to say? One nation under Dog..."

Nate_A · Post by **Nate_A** » 2006-12-07 05:12pm

AK_Jedi wrote:This is a very disturbing documentary about ultra-evangelical kids going to bible camp and getting indoctrinated.

As Richard Dawkins would say, they are the children of ultra-evangelical parents, not ultra-evangelical children. They are too immature to make an informed decision to become evangelicals, and are really just doing what their parents tell them. ( Although, the same could be said of most adult evangelicals; so the value of the distinction is debatable. )

Pint0 Xtreme wrote:Thinking along those lines, I've wondered why the fuck are these people not being prosecuted for psychological child abuse?

Telling children that they are worthless scum, deserving of eternity in hell is something that nearly half the parents in the United States do. Jesus Camp is extraordinary in the extent to which it beats children over the head with religious dogma, but the ideas themselves are not unpopular. Until these acts are perceived as wrong, they will not be prosecuted. Other than that, there is absolutely no reason not to lock these people up.

Vaporous · Post by **Vaporous** » 2006-12-07 07:53pm

It's actually physically painful to watch this. I'm having trouble getting through it.

Pint0 Xtreme · Post by **Pint0 Xtreme** » 2006-12-07 08:36pm

Nate_A wrote:Telling children that they are worthless scum, deserving of eternity in hell is something that nearly half the parents in the United States do. Jesus Camp is extraordinary in the extent to which it beats children over the head with religious dogma, but the ideas themselves are not unpopular.

I would argue that content of the ideas are not the only factor. Certainly the manner in which they are taught to children makes a world of difference. There's telling your children that they are worthless scum and there's beating it into their head so hard that they are pressured into crying and faking seizures over it.

Until these acts are perceived as wrong, they will not be prosecuted.

Unfortunately, there's more truth to that than any of us would like it.

Other than that, there is absolutely no reason not to lock these people up.

No one said anything about locking them up. An intervention by social services would be more than adequate.

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