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WikiPoohdia wrote:After the petition appeared, the National Academy of Sciences said in news release that

The NAS Council would like to make it clear that this petition has nothing to do with the National Academy of Sciences and that the manuscript was not published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences or in any other peer-reviewed journal." It also said "The petition does not reflect the conclusions of expert reports of the Academy.

In fact, it pointed out, its own prior published study had shown that

even given the considerable uncertainties in our knowledge of the relevant phenomena, greenhouse warming poses a potential threat sufficient to merit prompt responses. Investment in mitigation measures acts as insurance protection against the great uncertainties and the possibility of dramatic surprises.[6]
So then, the NAS smacked it down, pretty evident given the nature of this bullshit petition. Of course, par the "denier" crowd (whose main arguments never go without "reducing oil consuption, will hurt economies!!!", all scientists are in a grand conspiracy to lie about the global warming.

Just like Creationists.

And just like them, all their "denying" publications are not scientific, but rather press-propaganda, and none have been peer-reviewed...

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There's a global consensus on this... except for Bush-type Republitards. Certain Repubs, like McCain and Arnie, fully acknowledge it and realize we have to do something about it.

That Guy From that place, you're a douche who hasn't done his homework. Do a little research and get back to us.
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Even if you don't believe in anthropogenic global warming, what about seawater acidification?
Carbon released into the atmosphere is absorbed by the oceans and lowers the pH. The chemistry of this phenomenon is grade-school simple.
I've been on several contrarian boards and asked the contrarians to come up with evidence to argue that
-seawater acidification is not happening
-even if it is, little harm will be done to us humans

I'm genuinely interested, so fire away. Double-dog dare ya.

But in fact, part of the earth's population depends on the oceans for protein. Although the plankton will eventually evolve to cope with more acidic waters, as we all know, evolution can involve population crashes. Large numbers of humans would starve, in other words.

Conclusion: Seawater acidification by and of itself is enough reason to stop emitting carbon into the atmosphere.
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What the hell do creationists have against global warming in the first place? Its not like it contradicts the Bible or anything (or does it?). Is it just another pathetic attack on science, "Science isn't perfect" bullshit? There is this ID idiot on Startrek.com who has repeated this one on multiple occasions. His primary argument? Well, back in the 70s they were predicting another ice age and now they're saying its getting too hot. WTF is it with this crap?
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Darth Servo wrote:What the hell do creationists have against global warming in the first place? Its not like it contradicts the Bible or anything (or does it?). Is it just another pathetic attack on science, "Science isn't perfect" bullshit? There is this ID idiot on Startrek.com who has repeated this one on multiple occasions. His primary argument? Well, back in the 70s they were predicting another ice age and now they're saying its getting too hot. WTF is it with this crap?
Religious Right. Religious Right obeys the GOP. GOP hates Global Warming because it means regulation of businesses, whose cocks the GOP suck.

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ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:I've got more sources to back the anti-global warming side but they'll have to wait for later (since it's ridiculously early in the morning and I can't believe I'm awake)
You know, I've been seeing this happen more and more often here on the boards. Someone makes a big claim that they know is practically flame-bait, says that they have more sources or proof to show us and then suddenly feels too tired to continue (or in this case, start) the debate.

They promise to come back to post their proof or sources or whatever. However, when they do, it's usually only to post more un-scientific shit like the OP, which ignores everyone's demands for more precise sources. Or they cherry-pick which of the many posts they want to respond to and then cry that they have no time to respond to all of them and that any demands that they do are "unfair."
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Darth Servo wrote:What the hell do creationists have against global warming in the first place? Its not like it contradicts the Bible or anything (or does it?). Is it just another pathetic attack on science, "Science isn't perfect" bullshit? There is this ID idiot on Startrek.com who has repeated this one on multiple occasions. His primary argument? Well, back in the 70s they were predicting another ice age and now they're saying its getting too hot. WTF is it with this crap?
I've actually argued with creationists on both sides of the line on this issue.

The VAST majority of them disbelieve global warming because they're attached to the evangelical movement, who in turn take all their talking points from your average right wing sources.

The creationists that do believe it see it as a sign of the incoming apocalypse.
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Darth Servo wrote:What the hell do creationists have against global warming in the first place?
At this point, just assume that they will take the position that's ignorant and incorrect. About everything.
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Darth Servo wrote:What the hell do creationists have against global warming in the first place?
Because those who care about global warming are overwelmingly liberal in their political leanings. Therefore, they can't believe global warming because that would conflict with their other conservative beliefs. Its the same reason why the new replacement for Ted Haggard at the National Association for Evangelicals was relieved. He was deemed too "liberal" for caring about issues like poverty, AIDs, and global warming (despite having conservative positions on abortion and gay marriage).

That and creationists are taught to question scientists and believe in the Bible above all else. If there's already an inherent doubt in science in regards to evolution, its not hard to doubt the scientific findings regarding global warming.
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Darth Servo wrote:What the hell do creationists have against global warming in the first place?
Global warming is a criticism of Industry, and Industry makes America strong, the way God intended.
Its not like it contradicts the Bible or anything (or does it?).
Genesis 1:28 - "God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

If that bitch Nature is beginning to sag, it's just because we're doing as YHWH commanded us to do better than ever.
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and now it's time for the peer reviewed journals and other scholarly sources.

First up: The American Meteorological Society Presents: http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?req ... 2.0.CO%3B2

Sattelites etc. Confirm, The Antarctic has been cooling for the past twenty years

From 'the Nature Publishing Group': The Earth was Warmer during the last four interglacial periods than it is today

And What's more! Information from the Goddard Institute Says that while CO2 levels have been increasing more or less constantly between 1940 and 1970, temperature dropped by about a third of a degree.
And further, while recorded global temperature rose two thirds of a degree since the 1800's, local temperatures in place like the Antarctic, North America and elsewhere rose barely half that.
I've got pages of this stuff.

Now, I won't deny the earth's temperature is on the rise. I will deny that that it is doing so more than it has in the past. The current warming trend is nothing out of the ordinary and claiming it is some how leading to global disaster is irresponsible fear-mongering.
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The Earth is warming sure, the earth has warmed dozens of times in t \he last half a million years, after every ice age and little ice age. Hell, we're on the downside of a little ice age barely half a century ago (okay, 600 years give or take a few) and the earth warming is nothing to be afraid of until it does something it hasn't done before.

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and of course none of my URL tags worked, anyone able to fix that please do.
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Bwaahahaha...

Hey moron, your fist source, the American Meteorological Society... Do you even know their position on this? Let me help you:

There is now clear evidence that the mean annual temperature at the Earth's surface, averaged over the entire globe, has been increasing in the past 200 years. There is also clear evidence that the abundance of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has increased over the same period. In the past decade, significant progress has been made toward a better understanding of the climate system and toward improved projections of long-term climate change... The report by the IPCC stated that the global mean temperature is projected to increase by 1.4 °C–5.8 °C in the next 100 years... Human activities have become a major source of environmental change. Of great urgency are the climate consequences of the increasing atmospheric abundance of greenhouse gases... Because greenhouse gases continue to increase, we are, in effect, conducting a global climate experiment, neither planned nor controlled, the results of which may present unprecedented challenges to our wisdom and foresight as well as have significant impacts on our natural and societal systems. It is a long-term problem that requires a long-term perspective. Important decisions confront current and future national and world leaders.

Climate Change Research: Issues for the Atmospheric and Related Sciences

(Adopted by AMS Council on 9 February 2003)
You might want to update your information instead of pulling the old creationist trick and misrepresent scientists.

I'll let the others here rip you a new one.
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ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:The Earth is warming sure, the earth has warmed dozens of times in t \he last half a million years, after every ice age and little ice age. Hell, we're on the downside of a little ice age barely half a century ago (okay, 600 years give or take a few) and the earth warming is nothing to be afraid of until it does something it hasn't done before.
You don't understand the worlds that are falling out of your mouth. Or appearing on your screen, as the case may be. If we follow the historical trend of warming and look at the projected climate changes, we'll have massive droughts and food shortages, and millions of people are going to die. The breadbasket of the US will get scorched and the whole climate shift will be immensely devastating to everyone on the planet. Adding to that the additional damage we're doing (rather than subtracting from that the measures we're taking to insure a more stable climate pattern) and you've got a very grim reality.

All you're saying is that since we're not responsible for everything that goes on around here that there's no reason not to be concerned? What kind of logic is that? The previous statement about the Dinosaurs patting themselves on the back for not causing the asteroid to fall on them applies here. If or if not a global catasrtophe is completely our fault is irrelevant, we should do the research to figure out how real and how soon the threat is, and do something about it, not stick our head in the sand because you find it distasteful.

Okay, first of all, your source is the source of dumbass. Here's an AMS seminar you should attend:

How to make ignorant people understand Global Warming as a threat to their way of life, not some darkies on Africa. If you're going to cite a source as saying that they do not believe in global warming, find the source saying that. The AMS does not say that global warming is a fraud. They say nothing of the sort. Your cherrypicking does not amount to jack or shit, especially in light of the context that these actual scientists put those facts in.

The next source you cite isn't even cherrypicked, it's just... moronic. Do you even know how to read properly? Do the simplest thing ever when checking what a source is trying to explain and READ THE SUMMARY AT THE END. I'll quote it for you.
Finally, CO2 and CH4 concentrations are strongly correlated with Antarctic temperatures; this is because, overall, our results support the idea that greenhouse gases have contributed significantly to the glacial–interglacial change. This correlation, together with the uniquely elevated concentrations of these gases today, is of relevance with respect to the continuing debate on the future of Earth's climate.
Oh shits! Looks like your source supports the theory that CO2 (carbon dioxide) and CH4 (methane, something we also create and which could explode into the atmosphere should the methane hydrate shelf break up before we can mine it for it's delicious cheap energy) have made a lot of serious changes to the environment. And, and, italicized for your better non-retarded skimreading, it seems we have 'uniquely' elevated concentrations today. Gee. What does that mean?

You can look at one or two facts or figure all you want, but you just look like a retard.
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You know, recently there has been a flurry of conservative blathering over the West Antarctic Ice Shelf thickening. When I say "recently", I mean last month and over an article that's nearly FIVE years out-of-date.

Check it out. It seems the best way to refute such a theory by evil liberal hippies, is to dredge up anomalous reports from years ago.
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I think That Guy must be from That Place that's full of dumb asses... Way to make an idiot out of yourself, twat.

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ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:From 'the Nature Publishing Group': The Earth was Warmer during the last four interglacial periods than it is today
Just doing this one since it is getting early and even with my work schedule I need to get to bed soon.
It doesn't matter that the other periods were warmer. What matters is that the temperature in the current one has been stable around an average for the last 11 000 years. It matters because humanity has been growing, building and modifying the planet due to that stability.
You might want to read the conclusion of this report you cited though since it states that only two of the periods were warmer.
Nature article conclusion paragraph 1 wrote: New constraints on past climate change

As judged from Vostok records, climate has almost always been in a state of change during the past 420 kyr but within stable bounds (that is, there are maximum and minimum values of climate properties between which climate oscillates). Significant features of the most recent glacial–interglacial cycle are observed in earlier cycles. Spectral analysis emphasises the dominance of the 100-kyr cycle for all six data series except delta18Oatm and a strong imprint of 40- and/or 20-kyr periodicities despite the fact that the glaciological dating is tuned by fitting only two control points in the 100-kyr band.
Conclusion that we can apply historic data to predict current day effects.
Nothing world shattering yet.
Nature article conclusion paragraph 2 wrote: Properties change in the following sequence during each of the last four glacial terminations, as recorded in Vostok. First, the temperature and atmospheric concentrations of CO2 and CH4 rise steadily, whereas the dust input decreases. During the last half of the temperature rise, there is a rapid increase in CH4. This event coincides with the start of the delta18Oatm decrease. We believe that the rapid CH4 rise also signifies warming in Greenland, and that the deglacial delta18Oatm decrease records rapid melting of the Northern Hemisphere ice sheets. These results suggest that the same sequence of climate forcing operated during each termination: orbital forcing (with a possible contribution of local insolation changes) followed by two strong amplifiers, greenhouse gases acting first, then deglaciation and ice-albedo feedback. Our data suggest a significant role of the Southern Ocean in regulating the long-term changes of atmospheric CO2.
Conclusion of how an glacial to interglacial switch starts.
And this is the why you shouldn't have taken this report as evidence against global warming.
It starts with an increase of two greenhouse gasses carbondioxide and methane combined with a decrease in the amount of dust in the atmosphere. Excepting the dust particles this is exactly what humans have been doing since the last 150 to 200 years or so; Increasing the amount of those two gasses. Now all we need is to wait for a decrease in dust in the atmosphere and we can get out of this ice age we are in now.
Nature article conclusion paragraph 3 wrote: The Antarctic temperature was warmer, and atmospheric CO2 and CH4 concentrations were higher, during interglacials 5.5 and 9.3 than during the Holocene and interglacial 7.5. The temporal evolution and duration of stages 5.5 and 9.3 are indeed remarkably similar for all properties recorded in Vostok ice and entrapped gases. As judged from the Vostok record, the long, stable Holocene is a unique feature of climate during the past 420 kyr, with possibly profound implications for evolution and the development of civilizations. Finally, CO2 and CH4 concentrations are strongly correlated with Antarctic temperatures; this is because, overall, our results support the idea that greenhouse gases have contributed significantly to the glacial–interglacial change. This correlation, together with the uniquely elevated concentrations of these gases today, is of relevance with respect to the continuing debate on the future of Earth's climate.
This part of the conclusion is a real killer. They state concern about the high amount of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere currently and the implications of such concentrations in the past.
Also they state that the two warmer periods had higher concentrations of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere.
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I noticed that you ignored my questions on the last page, so for your convenience, I'll repeat them: Why do you think someone would, to the point of denying or dishonestly overlooking evidence, want to come to the conclusion that the Earth is warming catastrophically, that it is caused by humans, and that, as a result, our society needs to drastically cut back on its use of our main fuel source, transportation, and, in general, radically alter the way Western civilization is structured?

I also haven't seen that 99% of established climate scientists oppose the idea that the warming is caused in part or chiefly by humans. That's a pretty strong implicit claim there; you up to providing evidence?

ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:And further, while recorded global temperature rose two thirds of a degree since the 1800's, local temperatures in place like the Antarctic, North America and elsewhere rose barely half that.
Do you understand the distinction between local phenomena and global phenomena?
Now, I won't deny the earth's temperature is on the rise. I will deny that that it is doing so more than it has in the past. The current warming trend is nothing out of the ordinary and claiming it is some how leading to global disaster is irresponsible fear-mongering.
In how many of the previous global trends has the warming been as drastic as it is now? Perhaps you do not fully understand the reasons global warming is human-caused: (a) carbon dioxide causes a "greenhouse effect"; (b) the warming over the past few centuries has correlated directly with the amount of carbon dioxide generated by humans; (c) ergo, in the absence of opposing evidence, it is not unreasonable to conclude the carbon dioxide is causing the warming.
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That's the hard thing about finding a source that will commit to denying Global Warming, It's such a hot-button politicized issue that no one will commit to denying it, and yet if you bother to look their data things like the earth being warmer during the last four interglacial periods, and thickening antarctic ice, and climate unpredictability keep peaking through, covered by bullshit lawyer-speke like 'of course this is inconclusive fo the world as a whole' or 'this dataset doesn't cover global averages...' And of course, while you were all quick to pounce on the fallacies from the telegraph, I have yet to see response to the facts presented on the IPCC's mis-representation of the facts regarding global warming. Y'all are quick to pounce on me and my sources, slow to pounce on the facts presented within.
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ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:That's the hard thing about finding a source that will commit to denying Global Warming, It's such a hot-button politicized issue that no one will commit to denying it, and yet if you bother to look their data things like the earth being warmer during the last four interglacial periods, and thickening antarctic ice, and climate unpredictability keep peaking through, covered by bullshit lawyer-speke like 'of course this is inconclusive fo the world as a whole' or 'this dataset doesn't cover global averages...' And of course, while you were all quick to pounce on the fallacies from the telegraph, I have yet to see response to the facts presented on the IPCC's mis-representation of the facts regarding global warming. Y'all are quick to pounce on me and my sources, slow to pounce on the facts presented within.
Holy fuck, you're an idiot. You play the typical Republitard/Fundie conspiracy bullshit about how 'political correctness' prevents the truth!

Alright, let's hear your specific claims, and we'll counter them. You just linked 3 studies, so make some claims (instead of just saying the whole thing is bullshit and linking 3 broad pieces of information).
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ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:That's the hard thing about finding a source that will commit to denying Global Warming, It's such a hot-button politicized issue that no one will commit to denying it, and yet if you bother to look their data things like the earth being warmer during the last four interglacial periods, and thickening antarctic ice, and climate unpredictability keep peaking through, covered by bullshit lawyer-speke like 'of course this is inconclusive fo the world as a whole' or 'this dataset doesn't cover global averages...' And of course, while you were all quick to pounce on the fallacies from the telegraph, I have yet to see response to the facts presented on the IPCC's mis-representation of the facts regarding global warming. Y'all are quick to pounce on me and my sources, slow to pounce on the facts presented within.
We don't need to pounce on the 'facts' within since your sources either work for our side of the debate, which just shows you don't know how the debate works, or they're by people with no credibility. You have yet to give any evidence that global warming isn't real, and have presented much evidence that it is, or that human involvement doesn't or cannot be seen as partially responsible for a warming trend. The fact that nobody comes out against it merely shows that no legitimate scientist has any information that would lead to a belief that there's no global warming.

Do you think anyone wants the world to get too hot to live in? If we had evidence that it's not happening, this would have come out, have been picked up and published. Oil companies would love it too--all they do right now is publish bullshit science of one-off reports. If there was real research for it, they'd be able to make real essays about it in real papers and get it really out there. But they really don't.

If you think we're not playing nice, tough. If you think that scientists are too 'afraid' to buck the mainstream then you're smoking somthing. You can come up with maybe 5 things that seem interesting but prove absolutely nothing, and the best argument you have is that we haven't hit the apex of our warming cycle yet. Look, we're not at the hotpoint in the middle of our interglacial period, you got that? We're not THERE YET. We're getting hotter, and that's the truth. Once we start getting noticable cooling, then we can take a brief sigh of relief and then start wondering how to stabilize the temperature the other way.

The fact is, the Earth is a complex system. It moves in cycles, it wobbles around, and things have odd, unexpected results. A massive heat spell can cause an ice-age by fucking up currents. With a system as high energy as a planet, small changes mean big repurcussions, so even a few degrees of human-made temperature change are ridiculously high.

Really, the problem with the 'commit to deny' Global Warming stance is that it's got no science behind it. And if you think that's for lack of trying, you got another thing coming.
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ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:From 'the Nature Publishing Group':
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The Earth was Warmer during the last four interglacial periods than it is today
I read the article. It suggests the significance of the present-day increase in CO2 and coming global warming. There is a very relevant graph in it: Figure 3.

The original graph is too big to post here and not optimal for seeing the relevant trends, so I quickly made a reduced version (click on it to see original):

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The above shows a strong relation between CO2 and temperature. It also shows that current temperatures are already at least almost as high as they were at any time in the past 400,000 year timeframe of the plot. It is true that it implies temperatures in recent history were a little less than the peak temperatures at some other times in the past 0.4 million years, but the difference is limited. Not much additional rise in temperature will be sufficient to make future temperatures substantially higher than they were at any past time within the graph's timeframe.

The Goddard Institute shows evidence for global warming, on this page, including this graph, showing how the drop was temporary:

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While there is a tendency of most articles to mention only negative effects of CO2 and temperature rise as opposed to mentioning all effects, the evidence for global warming is still no less valid upon objective evaluation. (The more extreme claims about doomsday effects are much exaggerations, but the basic idea of global warming occurring is still right). Temperatures are rising, and reliance on CO2-emitting fossil fuels can not be continued indefinitely. Also, the coming future trouble from peak oil is an even greater reason to develop other energy like nuclear power.

Imagine what fossil fuel usage would be if hypothetically the entire world used around as much per capita as developed countries like the U.S. today. For optimal eventual future global prosperity, an order of magnitude rise in total energy consumption needs to become possible, and that is simply not plausible with fossil fuels. Fossil fuel dependence needs to drop. That is the big picture.
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ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:That's the hard thing about finding a source that will commit to denying Global Warming, It's such a hot-button politicized issue that no one will commit to denying it, ...
Translation: "Wah! I can't find any reputable sources, but I'm still correct!"
... and yet if you bother to look their data things like the earth being warmer during the last four interglacial periods, and thickening antarctic ice, and climate unpredictability keep peaking through, covered by bullshit lawyer-speke like 'of course this is inconclusive fo the world as a whole' or 'this dataset doesn't cover global averages...'
Yet again, you demonstrate your ignorance of the distinction betwen local and global by dismissing it as "bullshit lawyer-speke [sic]". Why don't you go ahead and elaborate for us why it's bullshit lawyer-speak?

I'll go ahead and repeat for a third time the questions I asked on the first page, which you continue to evade:
  • Why do you think someone would, to the point of denying or dishonestly overlooking evidence, want to come to the conclusion that the Earth is warming catastrophically, that it is caused by humans, and that, as a result, our society needs to drastically cut back on its use of our main fuel source, transportation, and, in general, radically alter the way Western civilization is structured?
  • I also haven't seen that 99% of established climate scientists oppose the idea that the warming is caused in part or chiefly by humans. That's a pretty strong implicit claim there; you up to providing evidence?
The claim that people who advocate global warming are as bad as, if not worse than, creationists is a very strong, and I want you to substantiate it.
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ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:That's the hard thing about finding a source that will commit to denying Global Warming, It's such a hot-button politicized issue that no one will commit to denying it,
That's why the GOP merrily calls it made up, and Exxon Mobile hires up lots of scientifically sounding but lacking in.. Shall we say... any fucking credentials.. stooges to spew their rachet? Because they're afraid to say what they are, in fact, saying?

You're a retard.
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Surlethe wrote:Why do you think someone would, to the point of denying or dishonestly overlooking evidence, want to come to the conclusion that the Earth is warming catastrophically, that it is caused by humans, and that, as a result, our society needs to drastically cut back on its use of our main fuel source, transportation, and, in general, radically alter the way Western civilization is structured?
You've sort of answered your own question: The people who would willingly do this would want our society to "drastically cut back on its use of our main fuel source, transportation, and, in general, radically alter the way Western civilization is structured."

In other words, anti-industrialists who are out to make industrial and consumerist society into enemies of the world.

To clarify, I think this argument is bullshit, but I believe that's the supposed logic that the global warming detractors pull this belief from.
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