Cao Cao wrote:No it isn't. It disproves your bullshit theory.
My "bullshit theory" is that aging twenty years and having all your arms and legs chopped off makes you a less effective fighter compared to your younger and more limbful self. The fact that you're even arguing this is telling.
If he's trying to talk to his opponent while not harming him then he risks at least minor injury from an opponent who has no qualms about seeing him dead.
Another thing that's pretty fucking telling is the fact that when it comes to assessing Vader's prowess, all you bring to the debate is a list of reasons why
every single motherfucking fight we see him in doesn't depict his actual ability. Fuck the movies, apparently we need to read Cao Cao's mind to find out the truth.
My proof is in the goddamn movies you moron. Vader performed better against Luke than he did with Obi-Wan, which was basically standing still and exchanging blows while talking a lot.
Vader beat a novice in Luke the first time, a feat that demonstrates nothing, and took a hit in the process. In the second fight he was defeated.
And go watch the movie again, the ANH fight with Obi-Wan wasn't some sort of monologue Vader delivered while holding Kenobi at bay. They exchanged lines, then proceeded to fight. Eventually they broke off and had the "Strike me down and I shall become more powerful!" exchange. That was it.
So again, produce some EVIDENCE that Vader wasn't actually fighting hard, you fucking cumdumpster.
It's on you to prove that Vader was at the top of his form in ANH because the evidence clearly suggests otherwise.
Well, here's some evidence: Darth Vader was an unfriendly guy who didn't like Obi-Wan very much, and who ended up killing him in that fight. Therefore I conclude that Vader was fighting to kill.
Jesus you're a dumbfuck.
His rep for exterminating the Jedi order means that he's a far more compitent fighter than you think he is.
This is your master plan? Throw up a bunch of bullshit excuses for why he didn't look better in every single fight we saw, and then make vague allusions to some Jedi he probably killed at some point, fifteen or twenty years prior to the Obi-Wan fight we're actually fucking talking about?
Why don't I use your logic for a moment? RotS Anakin was only ever seen killing Jedi children, the rest being killed by the clones.
Therefore Anakin is only capable of killing children!
He also swarked the head off of Count Dooky and has a host of EU exploits, but that isn't the point. These aren't two separate fighters to evaluate, these are two of the exact same guy. Except one version was triple-amputated, set on fire, psychologically broken, and aged into his forties. Gee, which one am I going to pick in a fight?
In what? A second? I repeat. That's more time than Maul had.
Seriously, now you're arguing that Darth Maul's stupid death represents the standard for Sith reaction times, and that therefore Vader's defeat against Luke doesn't count because Luke surprised him. (Apparently Sith have slower reflexes than normal people.) How do you spew this shit with a straight face?
That plus him being unprepared he was taken off balance.
He was standing there with his sword drawn trying to draw out his opponent. Being caught off-balance when he shouldn't have been is a sign of decline, not some sort of magical "this defeat didn't count" card.
Thanks for ignoring my point, dipshit. Concession accepted.
You're a fucking joke. That "concession accepted" line is apparently the only bit of debate behavior you've managed to pick up while you've been here.
If you cannot wrap your head around the concept of a fighter who doesn't want to kill his opponent vs. someone who for that brief moment wanted to see him dead, then you're an idiot.
Quit repeating yourself. Not wanting to kill doesn't mean letting someone hammer you.
Why? Because I won't let you wank all over Anakin? Grow up. To claim Vader isn't a force to be reckoned with because he didn't immediately execute an old man who he wanted to show that he was right and didn't completely main his own damn son is completely ridiculous.
Bla bla bla, already refuted.
It means your fantasies about young Anakin looking at Vader and making him drop dead are false.
Bla bla bla, strawman.
You continue to throw around this moronic assertion that age means the difference between life and death. It isn't. Get over it.
All else being equal, it does. And things aren't equal. Vader actually has several other disadvantages as well.
And yet you can't prove that all this vaunted extra-agility matters.
Nor do you consider that his cybernetic body would be stronger and more durable than flesh and bone.
Agility matters in a swordfight, you fucking idiot. And no hypothetical uber cyber-strength helped him keep Luke from chewing his ass up.
You're full of shit. Vader's TK abilities surpass Anakin's, he can absorb blaster bolts with his hands, etc.
Plus if we get the EU into this, in Shadows of the Empire Anakin uses the Force to heal himself of his traumatic injuries, only failing because his hatred subsides when he does so.
Regarding Vader's force potential in comparison to Anakin's, George Lucas is on my side, so blow me. You're left trying to argue that being chopped and burned and aging a couple decades somehow made Anakin a BETTER fighter.
