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You'd better pray Gordon Freeman never attacks your Fortress. Perhaps a series of floating platforms leading to the moat will deter him from even trying.Shinova wrote:Moat guard: Tentacle-plant thing from Half-Life.
Gate guard: Gangantuan from Half-Life.
Yes it is. A grenade explosion would consist of sharp, rather light fragments as opposed to a ten pound steel bullet travelling at high speeds, and anyway I do not recall any such event occuring in the books.Jadeite wrote:Well, a grenade explosion has no effect, so its not too unreasonable to assume an artillery shell would.Yes, he thought that tank main armament rounds would bounce of the personal shields of ground troops! Damn but I miss him, like my own personal troll toy. Wind him up and watch him go.
It takes place in Butlerian Jihad, when Holtzman is testing the shield. Ill quote it:Yes it is. A grenade explosion would consist of sharp, rather light fragments as opposed to a ten pound steel bullet travelling at high speeds, and anyway I do not recall any such event occuring in the books.
This is odd. I assume said "shimmery sphere" was Holtzman's shield?Jadeite wrote: It takes place in Butlerian Jihad, when Holtzman is testing the shield. Ill quote it:
"...knowing he was inside the blast zone, Bel Moulay rushed back across the walkway. From the other side of the bridge, Norma watched the blinking sphere bounce off the shimmering barrier like a rotten fruit.
A loud blossom of fire erupted insde the open demonstration dome. The sound and the overpressure wave was enough to send Norma stumbling...
Two of the newly installed windows had blasted out in a cloud of of reinforced glass, scattering fragments that glittered as they caught sunlight. Smoke curled upward....
Like a victorious soldier, Holtzman swaggered out, blinking and waving smoke away from his face. He had switched off the shield generator and left the apparatus in the center of the room. Trudging through the wreckage, he appeared somewhat disheveled, but unharmed."
The grenade went off at point blank, and generated enough force to knock people over on the other side of the bridge. Holtzman was unharmed, even though the grenade went off at point blank.
The explosive weight of your average 155mm artillery shell is around 20 pounds. A grenade has an ounce.Jadeite wrote:Well, a grenade explosion has no effect, so its not too unreasonable to assume an artillery shell would.Yes, he thought that tank main armament rounds would bounce of the personal shields of ground troops! Damn but I miss him, like my own personal troll toy. Wind him up and watch him go.
To be fair, it seems to have had a somewhat greater yield than your typical infantry grenade.Sea Skimmer wrote:The explosive weight of your average 155mm artillery shell is around 20 pounds. A grenade has an ounce.Jadeite wrote:Well, a grenade explosion has no effect, so its not too unreasonable to assume an artillery shell would.Yes, he thought that tank main armament rounds would bounce of the personal shields of ground troops! Damn but I miss him, like my own personal troll toy. Wind him up and watch him go.
And you think that this blatent stupidity is a good thing? It has enough force to knock people over, yet doesn't knock over th person next to it?? What does the sheild add 400kgs to his weight or something. And while your thinking up a logically challenged answer to that, how about taking into account the slight difference in force between a grenade explosion and a Main tank round, An APFSDS projectile weighing 5.6kg travelling at 1800m/s delivers 9,072,000j to target.Jadeite wrote: The grenade went off at point blank, and generated enough force to knock people over on the other side of the bridge. Holtzman was unharmed, even though the grenade went off at point blank.
Bing,Bing,Bing,Bing,Bing,Bing...HemlockGrey wrote:It could be collective stupidity.
Bing,Bing,Bing,Bing,Bing,Bing...HemlockGrey wrote:Incidentally, 'Jihad' was NOT written by Herbert. I believe it was authored by Brin.
Sorry it took me a while to respond. I will admit that an artillery shell will probably knock someone over, maybe even leave them unconscious. Diffuse force like the grenade however, appears to have no effect. I dont think the book describes the device in detail. The chapter is mostly people throwing stuff or shooting at the shield.And you think that this blatent stupidity is a good thing? It has enough force to knock people over, yet doesn't knock over th person next to it?? What does the sheild add 400kgs to his weight or something. And while your thinking up a logically challenged answer to that, how about taking into account the slight difference in force between a grenade explosion and a Main tank round, An APFSDS projectile weighing 5.6kg travelling at 1800m/s delivers 9,072,000j to target.
And as to bullets, an 8gr, 7.62mm traveling at 880m/s delivers 3097j.
Your guy is not staying on his feet as these are both concentrated KE as opposed to the diffuse version found in a Grenade.
Lastly, "he had switched off the generator and left the apparatus in the centre of the room" was this a fixed in place test rig with him stood under it's projected dome, rather than the wearable versions that would be used in the field? Is there a description of this apparatus? Also he was disheveled, which is strange if none of the force got through, don't you think?
My Baelrog decks them and my hidden sandworm eats one of your beasts.ArmorPierce wrote:come on, you guys know that my gate guardian would kick your gate guardians ass
That's ok I'm not the speediest replier either. My problem was I thought you were defending the tank rounds and bullets thing. Grenades don't have much bang in them, even stun/Hi-ex ones are nothing compared to Arty shells. I'm surprised at the Glass being knocked out and the people getting knocked over though. That's a silly waste of explosive energy, as in the open it would do very little. That's why we use Frag Grenades, lots of shrapnel over a large expanding sphere.Jadeite wrote: Sorry it took me a while to respond. I will admit that an artillery shell will probably knock someone over, maybe even leave them unconscious. Diffuse force like the grenade however, appears to have no effect. I dont think the book describes the device in detail. The chapter is mostly people throwing stuff or shooting at the shield.
How about the Aylee Clone? After all it beat Bun-bun, one on one.consequences wrote:Hey, HemlockGrey, what type of Reavers specifically, the name has been used more than once.
For the Moat, a Tarrasque
For the Gate, Bun-Bun
And of course you'd never have to feed them. Top banana!HemlockGrey wrote:The Reavers from Firefly.
Keep them in a cage and then let them loose when someone comes near.
Liquid metal killing machines don't rely on biology as their main source of strength.Necro99 wrote:For the moat: White sharks with laser beams on their head
The Gate: A Contigent of T-1000000
Especially because someone was gonna eventually break out IXJac's crowning moment of stupidity.Rob Wilson wrote:That's ok I'm not the speediest replier either. My problem was I thought you were defending the tank rounds and bullets thing. Grenades don't have much bang in them, even stun/Hi-ex ones are nothing compared to Arty shells. I'm surprised at the Glass being knocked out and the people getting knocked over though. That's a silly waste of explosive energy, as in the open it would do very little. That's why we use Frag Grenades, lots of shrapnel over a large expanding sphere.Jadeite wrote: Sorry it took me a while to respond. I will admit that an artillery shell will probably knock someone over, maybe even leave them unconscious. Diffuse force like the grenade however, appears to have no effect. I dont think the book describes the device in detail. The chapter is mostly people throwing stuff or shooting at the shield.
Anyway, glad that's sorted.
