Why did the Trade Fed trust Sidious?
Moderator: Vympel
- FaxModem1
- Emperor's Hand
- Posts: 7700
- Joined: 2002-10-30 06:40pm
- Location: In a dark reflection of a better world
Why did the Trade Fed trust Sidious?
Really, a man in a dark robe with a froggy voice comes to you and says he'll solve your trade problems, all you have to do is invade Naboo. Once that turns to the shitter, and your in court for 3 or 4 times, he now tells you through Dooku to leave the Republic, and declare all out war with them. WHY?
- NecronLord
- Harbinger of Doom
- Posts: 27384
- Joined: 2002-07-07 06:30am
- Location: The Lost City
Mind powers.
Superior Moderator - BotB - HAB [Drill Instructor]-Writer- Stardestroyer.net's resident Star-God.
"We believe in the systematic understanding of the physical world through observation and experimentation, argument and debate and most of all freedom of will." ~ Stargate: The Ark of Truth
"We believe in the systematic understanding of the physical world through observation and experimentation, argument and debate and most of all freedom of will." ~ Stargate: The Ark of Truth
You're just focusing on the shitty parts in an attempt to paint a skewed picture.
Logically, prior to TPM, we can assume there are events that led the Trade Federation to trust Sidious.. other promises that he delievered upon. Either big promises, many promises, or both.
Fortunately, we don't have to assume. It's documented that Sidious instigated pirate attacks on Trade Federation ships in order to allow the legalization of private war droid armies of limitless size. He did this in conjunction with the constant raising of trade taxation, presumably to allow the Trade Federation a chance to defend their rights to greed satiation. And greedy they are.
Needless to say, when things "turned to the shitter", and they went through "court for 3 or 4 times", he promised them they'd get out of court just about scott free. And he delivered.
He then proceeded to provide them with a plan with which they could easily separate and even conquer a defenseless Republic with a tremendous secret military buildup of infantry, armor and starfighter droids, and a massive fleet of warships. He delivered again.
Of course, who could have foreseen that the Republic would have an army of their own? How could the Republic come up with an army so quickly? Clearly not even Sidious could have foreseen this!
I'll leave the rest of your research to you.
Logically, prior to TPM, we can assume there are events that led the Trade Federation to trust Sidious.. other promises that he delievered upon. Either big promises, many promises, or both.
Fortunately, we don't have to assume. It's documented that Sidious instigated pirate attacks on Trade Federation ships in order to allow the legalization of private war droid armies of limitless size. He did this in conjunction with the constant raising of trade taxation, presumably to allow the Trade Federation a chance to defend their rights to greed satiation. And greedy they are.
Needless to say, when things "turned to the shitter", and they went through "court for 3 or 4 times", he promised them they'd get out of court just about scott free. And he delivered.
He then proceeded to provide them with a plan with which they could easily separate and even conquer a defenseless Republic with a tremendous secret military buildup of infantry, armor and starfighter droids, and a massive fleet of warships. He delivered again.
Of course, who could have foreseen that the Republic would have an army of their own? How could the Republic come up with an army so quickly? Clearly not even Sidious could have foreseen this!
I'll leave the rest of your research to you.
"..history has shown the best defense against heavy cavalry are pikemen, so aircraft should mount lances on their noses and fly in tight squares to fend off bombers". - RedImperator
"ha ha, raping puppies is FUN!" - Johonebesus
"It would just be Unicron with pew pew instead of nom nom". - Vendetta, explaining his justified disinterest in the idea of the movie Allspark affecting the Death Star
"ha ha, raping puppies is FUN!" - Johonebesus
"It would just be Unicron with pew pew instead of nom nom". - Vendetta, explaining his justified disinterest in the idea of the movie Allspark affecting the Death Star
- Lord Revan
- Emperor's Hand
- Posts: 12238
- Joined: 2004-05-20 02:23pm
- Location: Zone:classified
it should also be noted that when the Trade Federation (and the rest of the separtist) found out that Sidious was behind Dooku it was already too late to back out
I may be an idiot, but I'm a tolerated idiot
"I think you completely missed the point of sigs. They're supposed to be completely homegrown in the fertile hydroponics lab of your mind, dried in your closet, rolled, and smoked...
Oh wait, that's marijuana..."Einhander Sn0m4n
"I think you completely missed the point of sigs. They're supposed to be completely homegrown in the fertile hydroponics lab of your mind, dried in your closet, rolled, and smoked...
Oh wait, that's marijuana..."Einhander Sn0m4n
- Publius
- Jedi Council Member
- Posts: 1912
- Joined: 2002-07-03 08:22pm
- Location: Novus Ordo Sæculorum
- Contact:
The Trade Federation as a whole was never really under Darth Sidious's direct control. He controlled the TradeFed indirectly, through his control over the Commanding Viceroy. The Executive Board Directorate, nominally the Commanding Viceroy's superiors in the corporate chain of command, was actually populated with his cronies after Lord Sidious arranged for the assassination of the previous directors during the Eriadu Trade Summit in 3 rS (see Cloak of Deception). The vast majority of the TradeFed (including most of its corporate leaders) had no idea they were serving the Dark Lord of the Sith, in much the same way that most of the Republican Government was ignorant of their puppet strings.
As for why Nute Gunray trusted a Sith Lord, Cloak of Deception also establishes that Lord Sidious was directly responsible for Gunray's appointment as Commanding Viceroy, having arranged for "several key resource worlds to join the Trade Federation as signatory members, abdicating their representation in the Senate in exchange for lucrative trade opportunities" and creating the illusion that these negotiations were Gunray's doing. The Sith Lord had made several shows of good faith to his "partner," establishing that he did indeed have the influence to make their schemes work.
Although history shows that Gunray was suckered and that the Sith Lord's "good faith" was merely a part of an even greater plan, he did not simply do as he was told on the basis that the man wore a cloak and might have been a Sith Lord (to date, there remains very little evidence on how much about Lord Sidious he actually did know; there remains no record of him actually seeing any evidence that he was a Sith Lord).
As for why Nute Gunray trusted a Sith Lord, Cloak of Deception also establishes that Lord Sidious was directly responsible for Gunray's appointment as Commanding Viceroy, having arranged for "several key resource worlds to join the Trade Federation as signatory members, abdicating their representation in the Senate in exchange for lucrative trade opportunities" and creating the illusion that these negotiations were Gunray's doing. The Sith Lord had made several shows of good faith to his "partner," establishing that he did indeed have the influence to make their schemes work.
Although history shows that Gunray was suckered and that the Sith Lord's "good faith" was merely a part of an even greater plan, he did not simply do as he was told on the basis that the man wore a cloak and might have been a Sith Lord (to date, there remains very little evidence on how much about Lord Sidious he actually did know; there remains no record of him actually seeing any evidence that he was a Sith Lord).
God's in His Heaven, all's right with the world
- Darth Yoshi
- Metroid
- Posts: 7342
- Joined: 2002-07-04 10:00pm
- Location: Seattle
- Contact:
In TPM it's implied that Gunray knew Sidious was a Sith Lord (hence his "now there's two of them!" comment upon learning of Darth Maul), but you're right that we've no evidence Sidious ever actually demonstrated any Sith powers to him.
Fragment of the Lord of Nightmares, release thy heavenly retribution. Blade of cold, black nothingness: become my power, become my body. Together, let us walk the path of destruction and smash even the souls of the Gods! RAGNA BLADE!
Lore Monkey | the Pichu-master™
Secularism—since AD 80
Av: Elika; Prince of Persia
Lore Monkey | the Pichu-master™
Secularism—since AD 80
Av: Elika; Prince of Persia
There was no demonstation of Force-powers, but Cloak of Deception makes clear, that Gunray knew Sidious was a Sith.
The optimist thinks, that we live in the best of all possible worlds and the pessimist is afraid, that this is true.
"Don't ask, what your country can do for you. Ask, what you can do for your country." Mao Tse-Tung.
"Don't ask, what your country can do for you. Ask, what you can do for your country." Mao Tse-Tung.
-
- Jedi Master
- Posts: 1313
- Joined: 2003-08-06 05:44am
- Location: Whangaparoa, one babe, same sun and surf.
Re: Why did the Trade Fed trust Sidious?
If I was a greedy merchant prince and a guy claims he'ld make me even more filthy rich and powerful I would not care about halitosis or poor dress sense. I would take his claims to belong to a society of long dead evil wizards with a grain of salt too.
After he has made me insanely rich and powerful, I probably wont care if he really is a Evil Wizard (tm). After all, I have my war fleets and battledroid army and all he has some mythical magic powers. And the Droidikas seem to be capable of dealing with Jedi.
After he has made me insanely rich and powerful, I probably wont care if he really is a Evil Wizard (tm). After all, I have my war fleets and battledroid army and all he has some mythical magic powers. And the Droidikas seem to be capable of dealing with Jedi.
Don't abandon democracy folks, or an alien star-god may replace your ruler. - NecronLord
I was a little surprised that Gunray still trusted Sideous in Episode III.
Was Dooku's private speech to Obi-Wan in AOTC all a lie then, or did Nute and Palpy make up since then?
Was Dooku's private speech to Obi-Wan in AOTC all a lie then, or did Nute and Palpy make up since then?
fun/fantasy movies existed before the overrated Star Wars came out. What made it seem 'less dark' was the sheer goofy aspect of it: two robots modeled on Laurel & Hardy, and a smartass outlaw with bigfoot co-pilot and their hotrod pizza-shaped ship, and they were sucked aboard a giant Disco Ball. -adw1
Someone asked me yesterday if Dracula met Saruman and there was a fight, who would win. I just looked at this man. What an idiotic thing to say. I mean really, it was half-witted. - Christopher Lee
JKA Server 2024
Someone asked me yesterday if Dracula met Saruman and there was a fight, who would win. I just looked at this man. What an idiotic thing to say. I mean really, it was half-witted. - Christopher Lee
JKA Server 2024
- Lord Revan
- Emperor's Hand
- Posts: 12238
- Joined: 2004-05-20 02:23pm
- Location: Zone:classified
it was implied in either LoE or ROTS (novel), that by the time Dooku was reveal to be Sith and Sidious his master, the Trade Federation had no choice but the trust him (or be crushed by the Republic)Kurgan wrote:I was a little surprised that Gunray still trusted Sideous in Episode III.
Was Dooku's private speech to Obi-Wan in AOTC all a lie then, or did Nute and Palpy make up since then?
I may be an idiot, but I'm a tolerated idiot
"I think you completely missed the point of sigs. They're supposed to be completely homegrown in the fertile hydroponics lab of your mind, dried in your closet, rolled, and smoked...
Oh wait, that's marijuana..."Einhander Sn0m4n
"I think you completely missed the point of sigs. They're supposed to be completely homegrown in the fertile hydroponics lab of your mind, dried in your closet, rolled, and smoked...
Oh wait, that's marijuana..."Einhander Sn0m4n