If Babylon 5 invaded Star Wars (off topic,sorry)

[Ghost Rider]

Even a better example...oi

Though back onto the subject, I love B5...but really aside from pyrotechnics, why do so many rabid B-fivers think that B5 tech is leagues above everyone elses?

I mean is it the organic tech(though upon watching GI Joe the movie...I still am trying to fathom how the fuck they think is was superior tech...dear god that thing had brain bugs out the wazoo)?

Is it that somehow they have shinier ships?

Or is it some other unheard of brain bug?

I mean seriously?

[SyntaxVorlon]

B5 is physically more accurate than SW as it actually comes close to being accurate in it's weapons capability.
Also opposite to what some fivers might think, biotech is not the mainstay of all firstones, the sigma, triad, and numerous others are seen using starships armored with exotic metals. The reason that the Shadows and Vorlons used organic ships is because they would be even more exotic than regular industrial looking EA ships.
The reason that some fivers think that B5 ships are superior to is that they are differently designed with different technologies and techniques, SW ships look refined and regular, a tie uses the same parts(roughly) as an Xwing. But a Xill Saucer looks worlds different from a Minbari fighter or an Earthforce shuttle or a drazi sunhawk. Any technology that is shared creates some similarities(EA shuttles and Centauri shuttles)
Also there is better science behind B5, an X wing cannot move like that unless the DS has an atmosphere, and quite frankly the idea that a planet could be turned instantaneously to plasma moving at near light speed.

[omegaLancer]

I also enjoy B5, the story like that of the original SW trilogy had a deep mythological content that reach some subconconscience potion of my mind, but the issue is the how the various B5 power would fare against the imperial.

The long and short of it is that the Empire easily would overwhelm them in a ship to ship conflict. We are talking about warship that withstand Petatons worth of damage...

Even the shadow ships were harm by megaton weapons of the Narn, human, rangers and other races.

Lando destroy several on the ground using Nukes. While the Vorlons may be powerful, even in the final battle between the Vorlons, Shadows and the younger races, we saw Vorlons fighters and capital ship being damage.

While the first one may be more of a challenge the end result that any conflict would result in their ship be vaporized by the HTL of any SW capital vessel.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

*hands omegalancer the Triple-Crown*

[Typhonis 1]

Given there capabilities and firepower .SW ships may be mistook for a new group of first ones

[Vympel]

Is that the board's first ever triple post?

B5 is physically more accurate than SW as it actually comes close to being accurate in it's weapons capability.

How do you figure that? What's the difference?

Also opposite to what some fivers might think, biotech is not the mainstay of all firstones, the sigma, triad, and numerous others are seen using starships armored with exotic metals. The reason that the Shadows and Vorlons used organic ships is because they would be even more exotic than regular industrial looking EA ships.

The entire biotech idea is off in fantasy land.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

I had a triple post some time ago. Isolder74 awarded me my triple crown

[FaxModem1]

Well, B5 tries to maintain reality, a lot more so than other scifi shows and movies, also, the story is wonderful, rais your hand if you find the B5 story awful or bad or not well written, or to put it simply like Enterprise.

That is why B5 is the greatest in scifi to me, in combat, it would be crushed by the Empire, but in story, it surpasses it. At least that is what I believe.

[Vympel]

Well, B5 tries to maintain reality, a lot more so than other scifi shows and movies, also, the story is wonderful, rais your hand if you find the B5 story awful or bad or not well written, or to put it simply like Enterprise.

That is why B5 is the greatest in scifi to me, in combat, it would be crushed by the Empire, but in story, it surpasses it. At least that is what I believe.

That's not hard considering that SW will at best be only some 12 hours long in totality and that's how many Babylon 5 episodes?

As for the maintaining reality claim, I don't think that's valid. Babylon 5 i just as fanciful as any other sci-fi. They're all off in la la land.

[Sea Skimmer]

Lets see, in 1971 the Soviet Union had a regiment of FOBS missiles that could loft warheads into orbit that would exterminate B5 capital units. The Millennium Falcon could wipe out the earth's combined military strength at any point in its history.

[Vympel]

Lets see, in 1971 the Soviet Union had a regiment of FOBS missiles that could loft warheads into orbit that would exterminate B5 capital units. The Millennium Falcon could wipe out the earth's combined military strength at any point in its history.

Granted Babylon 5 is weaker hence more 'believable'- but what about the ludicrous ship design, the FTL travel, biotech etc?

[Sea Skimmer]

Lets see, in 1971 the Soviet Union had a regiment of FOBS missiles that could loft warheads into orbit that would exterminate B5 capital units. The Millennium Falcon could wipe out the earth's combined military strength at any point in its history.

Granted Babylon 5 is weaker hence more 'believable'- but what about the ludicrous ship design, the FTL travel, biotech etc?

Sure you meant to reply to my post?

[Vympel]

Sure you meant to reply to my post?

Thought you were arguing that Babylong 5 wasn't off in la la land.

Although come to think of it the thought of a 23rd century space faring race being destroyed by something the superpowers had since the 3/4 of the 20th century is truly pathetic and not very believable.

Therefore- the weakness is ludicrous too

[FaxModem1]

I said tries, I never said very good at

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

I have been into many Chat Rooms about Star Wars vs. Babylon 5, and most of the people say Star Wars universe wouldnt stand a chance. Sense i now nothing about B5 i was wondering what your thoughts would be on this topic?

My my, what drugs were being passed around in those rooms? And where can I get some . . . on second thought, any drug that makes somebody that stupid isn't worth taking.

Star Wars -- Troop transport with 200 GT weapons.

B5 -- Shadow battlecrabs that take up to 60 MT before being blown apart.

200 GT >>> 60 MT

Thusly:

Star Wars >>> B5

[Morning Star]

The saddest part is that most of those people look at Shadows and read some stuff about the other First Ones(I remember something about the origins of Techno Mages and the ones who taught them their art have some neat abilities) and go they can do Q level powers(not really, when you read it and not skim it you realize they have some interesting tech).

Like said before they think 500MT is a doomsday weapon(big yes...but compared to SW...not much to even give a second glace).

Overall I think too many love the series too much that they get blinded that B5 gets it's ass handed to them by many of the other Sci-Fi series with ease.

Just ask Adarx

[Vympel]

What exactly does Adarx think anyway?

[Morning Star]

What exactly does Adarx think anyway?

If you even offer an opinion in which the B5 FOs, or in particular The Triad, lose he goes beserk and locks on to you. At times his debating tactics have been worse than GK2's.

[XaLEv]

What exactly does Adarx think anyway?

Adarx is what I like to call a Triad Cultist. He is, among other things, convinced that the Triad are omnipotent and omniscient, though he denies it. My favorite argument of his is this: He takes two quotes from Wars of the Ancients stating that the Triad can 1. See and move between dimensions and 2. Dissassemble masses with their minds. He soaks them in the No Limits fallacy, and declares that the Triad can instantaneously tear apart any mass they can see, and see everything in all dimensions.

Here's a fun thread wherein I engaged Adarx.

[Darth Wong]

Rabid fivers

[Ender]

What exactly does Adarx think anyway?

* That the Vorlons have 10 teraton/sec main guns
* That despite the fact that it is lost tech for them and he can't back it up without going into alot of semantics about the passage the Triad will just dissipate (dissolve them at the atomic level) entire space nations at the same time
* That 2MT was just the primer for an exoton level nuke (that one I'm not clear on if that's what he thinks or not, but he is always arguing that the nuke must have been exoton, and that 2 MT was just the primer)
* That despite Vir saying the nukes were 500 MT they are 600MT
* That the Battle Crab was not destroyed in Into The Fire
* That the Vorlon fighter look many more hits even though it shows no damage and we don't see those hits
* That the Excaliburs main gun was GT level though he refuses to back it up beyond vagure comments
* That since fan made stats for an ISD for B5Wars show it to be weaker then a Vorlon Dreadnaught, the Dreadnaught wins (Yes, he actually used it once but after me and HDS laughed at him he claimed it was a joke)
*He's one of the Jump Point fanboys (he thinks they can beat back any invader just by opening a jump point inside their ship

Then he buys into most of the stuff Adam Warlock throws about as well.

[Master of Ossus]

Well, B5 tries to maintain reality, a lot more so than other scifi shows and movies, also, the story is wonderful, rais your hand if you find the B5 story awful or bad or not well written, or to put it simply like Enterprise.

That is why B5 is the greatest in scifi to me, in combat, it would be crushed by the Empire, but in story, it surpasses it. At least that is what I believe.

I love B5, but to say that it is more realistic than other universes is silly. Like Star Trek, it makes an attempt at realism to help make it believable, but also like Star Trek it fails miserably in doing so, simply because the people who designed it do not fully understand physics or science.

[Ender]

Why aren't all the posts showing up even after I refresh?

Oh, and I want to tack on that Adarx absolutly hates Babtech. He was ranting about the VPK before the Vorlon section was even up, and then dismissed it as bullshit before he even read it.

[Master of Ossus]

What exactly does Adarx think anyway?

* That the Vorlons have 10 teraton/sec main guns
* That despite the fact that it is lost tech for them and he can't back it up without going into alot of semantics about the passage the Triad will just dissipate (dissolve them at the atomic level) entire space nations at the same time
* That 2MT was just the primer for an exoton level nuke (that one I'm not clear on if that's what he thinks or not, but he is always arguing that the nuke must have been exoton, and that 2 MT was just the primer)
* That despite Vir saying the nukes were 500 MT they are 600MT
* That the Battle Crab was not destroyed in Into The Fire
* That the Vorlon fighter look many more hits even though it shows no damage and we don't see those hits
* That the Excaliburs main gun was GT level though he refuses to back it up beyond vagure comments
* That since fan made stats for an ISD for B5Wars show it to be weaker then a Vorlon Dreadnaught, the Dreadnaught wins (Yes, he actually used it once but after me and HDS laughed at him he claimed it was a joke)
*He's one of the Jump Point fanboys (he thinks they can beat back any invader just by opening a jump point inside their ship

Then he buys into most of the stuff Adam Warlock throws about as well.

Essentially, he's a typical rabid-5er. He trusts dialogue over visuals, except when the dialogue is weak, in which case he makes lots of unsubstantiated claims. Ask him to back up all of his claims, and then crush him. I thought I had already crushed Adam Warlock in debate. In any case, he should be very easy to destroy.

[Master of Ossus]

What exactly does Adarx think anyway?

If you even offer an opinion in which the B5 FOs, or in particular The Triad, lose he goes beserk and locks on to you. At times his debating tactics have been worse than GK2's.

Impossible. No one is stupider or worse at debating than Mr. Anderson.