Ships you despise

Post by **RogueIce** » 2006-12-13 05:39pm

000 wrote:Centerpoint wasn't built as a superweapon, is the point. It's designed as a giant hyperspace tractor.

It can be used as a superweapon, certainly, but it's notoriously difficult to getting it working in that capacity.

Not if you're Anakin Solo, it would seem.

[rant]And the only reason Centerpoint didn't end the Vong then and there is because Jacen was being a stupid whiney emo bitch.[/rant]

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-12-13 05:40pm

Oh come on, he doesn't like it just because it hurts his little EU soul. BUT THE Z-95 WAS THE XWING PREDECESSOR. Not without Muffet, etc.

I hate the Bulwark (sorry, I want a game called 'Rebellion' to be about a rebellion, not Just Another Wargame), obviously all the EU crapships, and the Sov. Fucking thing has OBSESSED fanboys, and it's a goddamn silhouette.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2006-12-13 05:43pm

Stark wrote:Oh come on, he doesn't like it just because it hurts his little EU soul. BUT THE Z-95 WAS THE XWING PREDECESSOR.

I'm gonna channel Vympel and say FUCK the Z-95. Stupid name for a stupid ship.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-12-13 05:47pm

No, it's the OR TIE. That's why it looks like an Xwing. That's why it's the worst fighter in TIE Fighter. The 'loller xwing that doesn't open lol' design was a stroke of genius.

The only good thing ever that ever involved a z95 is that TIE mission where your dude says 'they're attacking us in z95s, they must really want to die'.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2006-12-13 06:01pm

Stark wrote:The only good thing ever that ever involved a z95 is that TIE mission where your dude says 'they're attacking us in z95s, they must really want to die'.

Now that's sheer genius. Which mission is this? For I want to hear it for myself.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-12-13 06:04pm

RogueIce wrote:
Stark wrote:The only good thing ever that ever involved a z95 is that TIE mission where your dude says 'they're attacking us in z95s, they must really want to die'.
Now that's sheer genius. Which mission is this? For I want to hear it for myself.

I believe it was one of the diplomacy missions in TIE Fighter, wherein you had two sides in civil war and the Empire is putting a side down. I believe you're escorting some shuttle and they come out of hyperspace and basically you laugh and say this because you had decimated their Y-Wings and X-Wing forces beforehand.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-12-13 06:04pm

Err, it's one of the 'attack non-aligned space platform' ones. I don't have TIE Fighter anymore so I can't check.

I might go get TIE Fighter, actually.

EDIT - Sorry GR, I'm not 'erring' at you.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-12-13 06:10pm

For my hated ship, it's pretty much the Vong fleet, but we'll just go with World Ship.

Ugly rock designs with biowank up the ying yang. Literally I'd likely apply it to the Vong but honestly there was very little to look at or like about the Vong designs.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-12-13 06:12pm

Stark wrote:Err, it's one of the 'attack non-aligned space platform' ones. I don't have TIE Fighter anymore so I can't check.

I might go get TIE Fighter, actually.

EDIT - Sorry GR, I'm not 'erring' at you.

Nah, it's been too many year since I've played TIE, because I need a proper joystick, because fuck it if I'm playing with some joypad. I do remember though the quote and did get a kick out of it because how true it is. Pitting a top of the line fighter craft versus supposedly 20-30 year old crap was funny.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2006-12-13 06:20pm

Kuciwalker wrote:
How exactly is something that can destroy pretty much anything anywhere in the galaxy not a superweapon?

The same way that the Deathstar superlaser was built so they could mine the cores of Planets!

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2006-12-13 06:21pm

The ARC-170, as well as the other ROTS fighters and warships, were excellent additions to the SW Universe. Before then, due to the nonexistence of any official information about the Clone Wars, we had to assume that the Galactic Republic's navy was composed of crap (not just my opinion; this was the description IN universe!) like Dreadnaught-class cruisers and Z-95s.

The Z-95 was never even the main starfighter in the galaxy. The EU itself describes it as an atmospheric fighter that could also be used in space, but wasn't very fast or maneuverable. The Republic would have looked like a bunch of noobs if they showed up in ROTS with existing EU ships.

Combined with the fact that TPM novelization made the Z-95 an older fighter even a decade before the Clone Wars, makes it pretty pointless to bash the ARC-170 for taking the Z-95's place.

The Carrack-class itself isn't particularly crappy, but it follows the annoying WEG trend of making EVERY non-Star Destroyer an older, outdated ship that doesn't fit in with the elegant dagger aesthetic seen in the movies. From reading WEG, you would think that modern, capable warships were nonexistent in the Imperial fleet.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2006-12-13 06:29pm

Jim Raynor wrote:The ARC-170, as well as the other ROTS fighters and warships, were excellent additions to the SW Universe. Before then, due to the nonexistence of any official information about the Clone Wars, we had to assume that the Galactic Republic's navy was composed of crap (not just my opinion; this was the description IN universe!) like Dreadnaught-class cruisers and Z-95s.

The Z-95 was never even the main starfighter in the galaxy. The EU itself describes it as an atmospheric fighter that could also be used in space, but wasn't very fast or maneuverable. The Republic would have looked like a bunch of noobs if they showed up in ROTS with existing EU ships.

Combined with the fact that TPM novelization made the Z-95 an older fighter even a decade before the Clone Wars, makes it pretty pointless to bash the ARC-170 for taking the Z-95's place.

True. Those things fell faster in TIE Fighter then, well, TIE Fighters in X-Wing.

EDIT: snipped bit about Carracks from quote.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2006-12-13 06:45pm

Stofsk wrote:I'm gonna channel Vympel and say FUCK the Z-95. Stupid name for a stupid ship.

Considering the Z-95 headhunter originated with Brian Daley novels (my favorite authors) and the WEG sourcebook for same books (the author of which whom I am also acquainted with and hold in respect) , ya'll can just shut the fuck up about the Z-95.

And I say that with the utmost lack of respect

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2006-12-13 07:04pm

Brian Daley - he was the one who came up with the Corellian bloodstripes, wasn't he?

(I like his novels too, btw)

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2006-12-13 07:05pm

How is Z-95 any more stupid than T-65, T-16, I-7, or any other of those designations? If it's about the name Headhunter that beats Howlrunner or any of the alphabet wing names any day of the week.
I'm with Connor. The Z-95 was a worthy predecessor to the X-Wing.
As for ships I hate, the Alliance Escort Carrier and Bulwark from Rebellion. The escort carrier just looked weird and the Bulwark is plain ugly.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-12-13 07:06pm

It's not about the name, Bats, it was just a crap, ugly, unimaginative stupid ship. Author favouritism aside, of course.

Kuciwalker · Post by **Kuciwalker** » 2006-12-13 07:25pm

Jim Raynor wrote:The ARC-170, as well as the other ROTS fighters and warships, were excellent additions to the SW Universe. Before then, due to the nonexistence of any official information about the Clone Wars, we had to assume that the Galactic Republic's navy was composed of crap (not just my opinion; this was the description IN universe!) like Dreadnaught-class cruisers and Z-95s.

What's wrong with the Dreadnaughts? Or the Z-95's, several decades ago?

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2006-12-13 07:38pm

Jim Raynor wrote: The Carrack-class itself isn't particularly crappy, but it follows the annoying WEG trend of making EVERY non-Star Destroyer an older, outdated ship that doesn't fit in with the elegant dagger aesthetic seen in the movies. From reading WEG, you would think that modern, capable warships were nonexistent in the Imperial fleet.

From what I see of Carrack does not really annoy me, since I can see it as a bog standard, rather no thrills cruiser that does what it says on the tin and is still a reliable battlewagon in the Imperial Navy after many decades of service. There is nothing wrong with ISDs being backed up by fleets of older and less flashier warships.

And we have the relatively old Venator-class Star Destroyer that actually looks more sleeker than the Imperial-class Star Destroyer and you could imagine seeing Clone War-era Venators kicking about in significant numbers by the time of the Civil War (ie like the Panzer IIIs still getting deployed as late as D-Day and Arnhem).

The Vortex Empire · Post by **The Vortex Empire** » 2006-12-13 07:53pm

Hmmm, All in all, I'd have to say every single Vong ship. Hideous-looking, and the idea of Organic tech being superior to standard tech is horrible. A lump of coral being superior to New Republic tech, my ass!

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » 2006-12-13 08:10pm

Stark wrote:It's not about the name, Bats, it was just a crap, ugly, unimaginative stupid ship. Author favouritism aside, of course.

Agreed, the Z-95 is practically the X-wing except with one set of wings. At least the ARC-170 looks different enough to differentiate it from the X-wing, yet still have enough features to connect the two.

But my vote has to go for the Ithullian ore hauler. It's just...no, just...no.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2006-12-13 08:56pm

Stofsk wrote:Brian Daley - he was the one who came up with the Corellian bloodstripes, wasn't he?

(I like his novels too, btw)

Yeah, but that was before it was wanked out.

And the Z-95 versus Corporate Sector Authority snub fighters dogfight in Han Solo at Star's End is kick ass. Also came up with the Victory class star destroyer.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-12-13 08:57pm

The Vortex Empire wrote:Hmmm, All in all, I'd have to say every single Vong ship. Hideous-looking, and the idea of Organic tech being superior to standard tech is horrible. A lump of coral being superior to New Republic tech, my ass!

That isn't quite correct. While Vong warships are vastly more powerful than biotech should be, over the course of the NJO, they are consistantly portrayed as actually being inferior to metal starships in almost every respect. Certainly, Vong biotech is often quite bizzare in capability, but in terms of firepower, shielding, armor, and "computer" coordination, plasma weapons, dovin bassals, yorik coral, and Yammosks have proven time and time again to be far less powerful than turbolasers, deflectors, durasteel, and traditional comms.

The Vortex Empire · Post by **The Vortex Empire** » 2006-12-13 08:59pm

True. I still despise them though, they shouldn't be anywhere near being capable of taking out some NR ships.

CERC · Post by **CERC** » 2006-12-13 10:00pm

While I'll have to second the Suncrusher, my least favorite "thing" that resembles a ship is that, for lack of a better term "thing" that Lando was aboard in the LC trilogy or whatever it was called. If you recall it was a living ship somewhat and that whole thing just was inane.

CERC

PS: of course I could be wrong with my reference to this, seeing as how it was a long time ago in probably Junior High that I read that but perhaps it'll be close enough so y'all understand what I'm getting at.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2006-12-13 10:15pm

That'd be the Teljkon Vagabond of Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy infamy I presume.