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Visitors stand 4,000ft over Grand Canyon

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The construction of a spectacular glass walkway 4,000 feet above the Grand Canyon has split an impoverished Indian tribe that will benefit from its completion.

While many in Arizona's 2,200-member Hualapai tribe are counting on the multi-million-pound venture to salvage their fortunes, some tribal elders have come out in opposition.

Even though the Skywalk promises vital revenue from tourism, elders say it disturbs land they consider sacred. With an unemployment rate of up to 70 per cent and more than a third living below the poverty line, many tribal members welcomed the Skywalk after discussions and studies convinced them it could prove an economic lifeline.

The $30 million (£15.3 million) horseshoe-shaped walkway will jut from the edge of the canyon allowing visitors to walk 70 yards over it and gaze through a four-inch thick glass floor. Supported by steel beams driven 46 feet into the canyon walls, the bridge's deck will be 10 feet wide and have five-foot high glass walls.

Tourists will pay $25 to experience the Skywalk, which is being built at the western rim of the Grand Canyon. Sheri Yellowhawk, a former tribal councilwoman overseeing the project, said: "We have to do something, and this is something spectacular."

advertisementThe experience would be "quiet and personal", she added. "We are not building a power plant or high-rise building, we are complementing the canyon and providing something new to the world." However, other members of the tribe, which believes its ancestors emerged from the earth of the Grand Canyon, are worried.

"We have disturbed the ground," said Dolores Honga, a 70-year-old tribal elder who regularly travels to the canyon edge to perform traditional dances. She said workers on the walkway, which is surrounded by sacred archaeological and burial sites, often complained to her about nightmares.

"Our people, they died right along the land there. Their blood, their bones were shattered. They blend into the ground. It's spiritual ground. This is why you're awakened," she said. While many Indian tribes make money from gambling resorts, the Hualapai relies on tourism revenue but attracts only a handful of visitors compared to the 4.1 million who visit the Grand Canyon National Park 90 miles to the east.

The venture, situated 120 miles east of Las Vegas, was first proposed in 1996 by David Jin, a businessman from Shanghai. After numerous delays the Skywalk, which includes a visitor centre, is due to open in March. Mr Jin is financing the walkway, which the Hualapai will own while he will collect up to half of the income from ticket sales for the next 25 years.

The Grand Canyon Trust, one of the chief protectors of the canyon, has not raised any objections to the Skywalk.

"This is the future of the Hualapai nation," said Allison Raskansky, a Las Vegas public relations specialist. "This is a view you cannot get at the national park."

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Right.

Glass walkway.

4000 feet above the ground.

On sacred Indian burial ground.

Someone's going to make a horror movie about this soon.... :roll:
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What's so sacred about the Grand Canyon? I imagine birds and other wildlife poop in it just like any other nature areas.
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Wicked Pilot wrote:What's so sacred about the Grand Canyon? I imagine birds and other wildlife poop in it just like any other nature areas.
Just more pathetic delusions of those with less evolved brains.

You can always tell, because there's never any logical or rational explanation for such assertions. Probably upsets the "Great Hawk Spirit" or other stupid shit.
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Wicked Pilot wrote:What's so sacred about the Grand Canyon? I imagine birds and other wildlife poop in it just like any other nature areas.
Hey, if my culture grew up next to a mile deep gash in the Earth I'd probably assign religious significance to it, too. From the standpoint of someone who doesn't know anything about water erosion, what could it be besides a sign of the devine?

Also, hell will freeze over before I walk out over the edge of the Grand Canyon on a glass floor.
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Wicked Pilot wrote:What's so sacred about the Grand Canyon? I imagine birds and other wildlife poop in it just like any other nature areas.
Indeed--but some members of the Hualapai tribe are already making a fuss. I can see this being a problem in the future.
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They're just pissed it's not a casino and not their casino at that.
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Wicked Pilot wrote:What's so sacred about the Grand Canyon? I imagine birds and other wildlife poop in it just like any other nature areas.
Just more pathetic delusions of those with less evolved brains.

You can always tell, because there's never any logical or rational explanation for such assertions. Probably upsets the "Great Hawk Spirit" or other stupid shit.
"Just more pathetic delusions of those with less evolved brains." Am I seriously the only one who read that?
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I read it too, but I pay it no heed.
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I have trouble thinking of a way for that not to be racist.
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Howedar wrote:I have trouble thinking of a way for that not to be racist.
I wasn't thinking that it was racist, per se, but just an arrogant and biologically unjustified put-down of people who are religious in general, and targeting the Hualapai tribe in particular.
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RedImperator wrote:Also, hell will freeze over before I walk out over the edge of the Grand Canyon on a glass floor.
Seconded. Mabye that's the real reason. An elder realised they'ld have to go out on it to bless it and their lizard/monkey brain screamed and wanted to hug a tree. I know mine is.
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Bubble Boy wrote:Just more pathetic delusions of those with less evolved brains.
Find me a group of people who has no history of believing in stupid shit.
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Howedar wrote:
Bubble Boy wrote:
Wicked Pilot wrote:What's so sacred about the Grand Canyon? I imagine birds and other wildlife poop in it just like any other nature areas.
Just more pathetic delusions of those with less evolved brains.

You can always tell, because there's never any logical or rational explanation for such assertions. Probably upsets the "Great Hawk Spirit" or other stupid shit.
"Just more pathetic delusions of those with less evolved brains." Am I seriously the only one who read that?
It must have gotten caught by my "ignore the newbie" filter.
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I thought this turned out to be a fraud a while back. Would be interesting if it ever did actually get built. Here's an article I read a long time ago that presents serious doubts about the reality of this thing.

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So once again religion blocks the economic progress of an impoverished people who just might be able to throw off the shackles of indigence. Fucking typical.
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Out of curiosity, why are the various Indian nations so impoverished? You'd think being surrounded by the richest country in the world, they'd be able to lift themselves out of a slump. I wonder if there's an inverse corollation between need to keep cultural identity and poverty?
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Surlethe wrote:Out of curiosity, why are the various Indian nations so impoverished? You'd think being surrounded by the richest country in the world, they'd be able to lift themselves out of a slump. I wonder if there's an inverse corollation between need to keep cultural identity and poverty?
There might be. I seem to recall Darth Wong making a post to that effect.

Ah, here it is. The key part is the last paragraph.
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RedImperator wrote:Also, hell will freeze over before I walk out over the edge of the Grand Canyon on a glass floor.
Heh, I'd do it.

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You see the observation decks in that tower? The bottom one has a section with a glass floor. I went to see it with my sister and dad when I was... *consults autobiography* ah right, summer of '97, I was 9 and half years old. Anyway, we were on the tower, looking cautiously at the vertigo inducing glass floor. I boldly took a step forward and beckoned my sister. It took my dad a few seconds to notice his kids were not only walking on the floor he was too scared to step on, they were jumping on it. He finally found the courage and joined us.
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Surlethe wrote:Out of curiosity, why are the various Indian nations so impoverished? You'd think being surrounded by the richest country in the world, they'd be able to lift themselves out of a slump. I wonder if there's an inverse corollation between need to keep cultural identity and poverty?
I wouldn't be surprised if that was partly the case, since articles tend to make a distinction for populations living on reservation, and treat leaving the reservation for work as if it is something exceptional (note use of the word "forced" in this article.) Additionally, poverty rates on reservations are higher than the rate for the population as a whole. The 2000 Census (it's a PDF, sorry) puts the native poverty rate at 25.7 percent, while the above cited article and others claim that the rate is 40 percent on reservations. Also, it seems reasonable to preseume that unemployment among the native population as a whole is not as high as the 80 percent cited for the on-reservation population. There is the suggestion, at least, that the comparative isolation of reservation populations has got something to do with it.

On the other hand, here is a republished Wall Street oped which claims that reservation lands are actually resource-rich and well-suited for agriculture, and that BIA regulations and ownership of the majority of reservation land can be held mostly responsible for the lack of invenstment into reservations; the red tape makes it too difficult and unrewarding. Make of this what you will.
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Adrian Laguna wrote:
You see the observation decks in that tower? The bottom one has a section with a glass floor. I went to see it with my sister and dad when I was... *consults autobiography* ah right, summer of '97, I was 9 and half years old. Anyway, we were on the tower, looking cautiously at the vertigo inducing glass floor. I boldly took a step forward and beckoned my sister. It took my dad a few seconds to notice his kids were not only walking on the floor he was too scared to step on, they were jumping on it. He finally found the courage and joined us.
The same concept exists on Blackpool Tower too, though I've never had the chance to go up there.

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The observation deck on the Ostankino tower had that, too. Or, at least it did before the whole fire business. I don't know if its still there. I went on the glass. I was up on the CN tower, and I went on the glass, too. Friggin scary.
So yeah, I'd go up on the walkway. Maybe not walking the whole loop, but a few steps in, definitely.

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I don't know if its still there.
Is. :) It's being re-opened quite soon. My friend from some Moscow eco-department has seen it already, will be much cooler than before :D
Friggin scary.
Dunno. I was never scared of heights, and I've been on quite a few towers and high places.

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I wonder if the "no way in hell" factor will make the skywalk more of a success or not? On one hand, you've got the younger crowd who'll dare anything (and really enjoy the danger), but parents with kids who really don't want to go will probably pass it up.

I personally would feel more comfortable if it was a bridge with support from both ends, even if it ended up being longer. The idea of being suspended over nothing by just one side is rather creepy to me.
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Surlethe wrote:Out of curiosity, why are the various Indian nations so impoverished? You'd think being surrounded by the richest country in the world, they'd be able to lift themselves out of a slump. I wonder if there's an inverse corollation between need to keep cultural identity and poverty?
Um, yeah, considering how hard and how often the Indians have been fucked over, including being run off their land and onto the reservations in the first place, I sincerely doubt the reservations are American Hong Kongs in waiting if only the inhabitants would give up their stubborn, old-fashioned ways. It's perfectly possible to have entrenched, generational poverty surrounded by great wealth if you just bugger up the economics badly enough (see any ghetto in any major city).

And the reservations are hardly surrounded by wealth anyway. Most of the largest are in the middle of nowhere.
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Magus wrote:I wonder if the "no way in hell" factor will make the skywalk more of a success or not? On one hand, you've got the younger crowd who'll dare anything (and really enjoy the danger), but parents with kids who really don't want to go will probably pass it up.

I personally would feel more comfortable if it was a bridge with support from both ends, even if it ended up being longer. The idea of being suspended over nothing by just one side is rather creepy to me.
Excluding a freak accident, which is probably slightly less likely than getting hit by lightning from a clear blue sky while standing on the skywalk, it won't be any more dangerous than standing on your average balcony. It's the same situation--and besides, a 100 foot fall and a 4000 foot fall will make you just as dead.

Incidentally, that Blackpool tower is offensively ugly.
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