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The comment was not meant to be racist by any means.Wicked Pilot wrote:Find me a group of people who has no history of believing in stupid shit.Bubble Boy wrote:Just more pathetic delusions of those with less evolved brains.
You don't actually grok the point, I see, but that's unsurprising. And also rather ironic.Bubble Boy wrote:The comment was not meant to be racist by any means.Wicked Pilot wrote:Find me a group of people who has no history of believing in stupid shit.Bubble Boy wrote:Just more pathetic delusions of those with less evolved brains.
I just have an extremely low opinion of religious and/or irrational beliefs, which the post I replied to hinted at.
Ah, you mean finding a group of people who don't believe in stupid shit?SirNitram wrote:You don't actually grok the point, I see, but that's unsurprising. And also rather ironic.Bubble Boy wrote:The comment was not meant to be racist by any means.Wicked Pilot wrote: Find me a group of people who has no history of believing in stupid shit.
I just have an extremely low opinion of religious and/or irrational beliefs, which the post I replied to hinted at.
Because it has nothing to do with 'less evolved brains', dumbass. Yours is just as susceptible.Bubble Boy wrote:Ah, you mean finding a group of people who don't believe in stupid shit?
Why would I bother trying to disprove a factual observation of humanity I never disputed in the first place?
I'll admit my comment was a tad overboard, and retract it accordingly. It cropped up due to my, as previously noted, low opinion on religious motivations and beliefs.SirNitram wrote:Because it has nothing to do with 'less evolved brains', dumbass. Yours is just as susceptible.Bubble Boy wrote:Ah, you mean finding a group of people who don't believe in stupid shit?
Why would I bother trying to disprove a factual observation of humanity I never disputed in the first place?
As RedImperator said, generation after generation of poverty is very possible since the natives had their land taken away and forcibly moved into reservations. Even Natives there were adapting to the white man ways, like the Cherokee, had their land confiscated and forcibly removed because the land was wanted. Unlike the Chinese this didn't happen and many Chinese came with guaranteed work. It is extremely difficult to just up yourself and move somewhere in the hope of finding work.Surlethe wrote:Out of curiosity, why are the various Indian nations so impoverished? You'd think being surrounded by the richest country in the world, they'd be able to lift themselves out of a slump. I wonder if there's an inverse corollation between need to keep cultural identity and poverty?
That damn thing looks astonishingly similar to the top of the Eiffel Tower too, don't you think? Compare and contrast:Stas Bush wrote:Admiral Valdemar
Blackpool Tower? Is that somewhere in the UK? That tower looks like something out of a dystopian sci-fi... WH40K something. Though considering the fact you have stuff like Battersea powerstation, no wonder.
True, but they were made like that by being forcibly removed from their lands and be shipped to the ass fuck of no where. What kind of economies are they expected to create there? Where are they expected to find jobs?Darth Wong wrote:Have you ever visited Indian reservations? They're basically trailer trash, and they act like trailer trash for the same reason that white trailer trash does: the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Are you saying that they want to be poor or that they don't care about being poor? I don't know anyone that doesn't care about being poor and that don't wish that they had money. There are people that have just given up and accepted that they are poor and do little to try to raise themselves but this does not happen unless they've been raised in a culture of poor with little of anyone being able to rise themselves from it.You make it sound like there's some mystical culture problem here, and there isn't. Indians are quite capable of understanding time and holding down a regular job, but the people on those reservations just don't give a fuck.
Yes a sense of racial entitlement is a problem when they think that they can live off of it forever.They've got a sense of racial entitlement and they're planning to live on that forever.
News flash: they are free to move off the reservation at will and live like everyone else. The fact that they get special privileges for living on the reservation allows them to marinate themselves in their own hopelessness.ArmorPierce wrote:True, but they were made like that by being forcibly removed from their lands and be shipped to the ass fuck of no where. What kind of economies are they expected to create there? Where are they expected to find jobs?Darth Wong wrote:Have you ever visited Indian reservations? They're basically trailer trash, and they act like trailer trash for the same reason that white trailer trash does: the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Yes. I know plenty of people like that. It's not that they don't care at all, but they don't care enough to get off their asses and do something about it.Are you saying that they want to be poor or that they don't care about being poor?
You must not get around too much. I've met plenty of people like that. What do you think causes generational welfare abuse?I don't know anyone that doesn't care about being poor and that don't wish that they had money.
Yes, such people do exist. But the people on the reservations have particular advantages which should make it easier for them to lift themselves out of intergenerational poverty than any other underprivileged minority, and they don't use it that way. Instead, they simply live off their special privileges.There are people that have just given up and accepted that they are poor and do little to try to raise themselves but this does not happen unless they've been raised in a culture of poor with little of anyone being able to rise themselves from it.
Strangely enough...FSTargetDrone wrote:That damn thing looks astonishingly similar to the top of the Eiffel Tower too, don't you think? Compare and contrast:Stas Bush wrote:Admiral Valdemar
Blackpool Tower? Is that somewhere in the UK? That tower looks like something out of a dystopian sci-fi... WH40K something. Though considering the fact you have stuff like Battersea powerstation, no wonder.
I know the angle is different, but look at the similarities!
Fun trivia: I did a painting of that Ostankino Tower in primary school when I was probably seven. No one knew what it was, nor could they find anything on it (I based the painting on some graphic I found from a tatty Guinness World Records book, IIRC).fgalkin wrote:The observation deck on the Ostankino tower had that, too. Or, at least it did before the whole fire business. I don't know if its still there. I went on the glass. I was up on the CN tower, and I went on the glass, too. Friggin scary.
So yeah, I'd go up on the walkway. Maybe not walking the whole loop, but a few steps in, definitely.
Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Ah yes (from your Wiki link):Admiral Valdemar wrote:Strangely enough...FSTargetDrone wrote:That damn thing looks astonishingly similar to the top of the Eiffel Tower too, don't you think? Compare and contrast:
I know the angle is different, but look at the similarities!
Heh, "inspired" indeed!The Blackpool Tower is a tourist attraction in the town of Blackpool, Lancashire, in the north of England (grid reference SD306360). The tower is 158 m (518 ft 9 in) tall. It was inspired by the Eiffel Tower in Paris. It cost GBP £42,000 to construct, and it first opened to the public on 14 May 1894. It is a member of the World Federation of Great Towers.
No one knew what it was, nor could they find anything on it
I remember drawing a trolleybus in an English school when I first travelled to England (that was around '93). The teacher, a relatively young man, and all the folk were stunned. When I explained that the thing uses electricity via rods to move, they were still stunned and then asked how many of those do we have in the USSR. I said "lots" and they were in awe again. The funny thing is, it's based in a popular holiday resort since Victorian times. A resort that I find a nuclear detonation overhead would actually improve its aesthetics.Stas Bush wrote:Oh. So it was made after Eiffel tower? Wow... just wow. Why everything looks so evil and ominous beyond redemption when it's built in Britain?
The article says that the opening date is around March, 2007... and to think that I'll be around the Grand Canyon area in late January. It would have been cool to check the thing. Oh well, next time, perhaps.Azazal wrote:Sorry for the late linking, but from Snopes.com Has some pics of the construction and some more info.
And where are they expected to go exactly? They are expected to just go off to some random place and hope to find a job? With what money are they going to get there and settle? And if they aren't able to find a job? These people are not exactly skilled workers. I am a college student with a diverse work experience and I was unable to find a job after applying to a good two dozen places within my own town. I was not able to get job until I applied to walmart where my cousin worked. My cousin is a immigrant (although citizen my mother adopted her and she's my legal sister) from el salvador and I believe they were taking advantage of her as they tried to do to me. I had listed her as a reference and everyone knew she was my sister/cousin. I got put unloading the trucks at night were the supervisor was not happy with anyone's work performance even though we all worked like dogs sometimes going 6 hours without no break if we needed to unload two trucks. He was never happy unless we were pushing ourselves to the breaking limit. He tried to take advantage of me saying stuff that ran counter to what the guy that hired me said about the days that I could take off for the first week which was my only requirement to be able to start working then rather than the week after. I rectified the situation by going over his head and talking to the man who hired me. Later on he took me and someone else threatening us that if we don't need the job that there's plenty of others that did.Darth Wong wrote:News flash: they are free to move off the reservation at will and live like everyone else. The fact that they get special privileges for living on the reservation allows them to marinate themselves in their own hopelessness.
You must not get around too much. I've met plenty of people like that. What do you think causes generational welfare abuse?[/quote]I don't know anyone that doesn't care about being poor and that don't wish that they had money.
I agree to some extent. I believe that if you are a third indian and affiliated with your tribe, you can receive a free college education. Of course if they stay within the bounds of their reservation a college education will do them little good.Yes, such people do exist. But the people on the reservations have particular advantages which should make it easier for them to lift themselves out of intergenerational poverty than any other underprivileged minority, and they don't use it that way. Instead, they simply live off their special privileges.
Yes. It's something people do in the real world.ArmorPierce wrote:And where are they expected to go exactly? They are expected to just go off to some random place and hope to find a job?
They can commute or they can rent instead of buying, for fuck's sake. How do you think normal people find their first job?With what money are they going to get there and settle?
Since they get free education, they have no excuse not to be.And if they aren't able to find a job? These people are not exactly skilled workers.
Then maybe you should have gone outside your town. I moved four fucking hours away to get my first job after graduating school. Oops, according to you that's totally unreasonable and you can't expect people to do that, right?I am a college student with a diverse work experience and I was unable to find a job after applying to a good two dozen places within my own town.
How the fuck does this "Wal-Mart is a shitty employer" rambling have anything to do with the subject matter?I was not able to get job until I applied to walmart where my cousin worked. My cousin is a immigrant (although citizen my mother adopted her and she's my legal sister) from el salvador and I believe they were taking advantage of her as they tried to do to me. I had listed her as a reference and everyone knew she was my sister/cousin. I got put unloading the trucks at night were the supervisor was not happy with anyone's work performance even though we all worked like dogs sometimes going 6 hours without no break if we needed to unload two trucks. He was never happy unless we were pushing ourselves to the breaking limit. He tried to take advantage of me saying stuff that ran counter to what the guy that hired me said about the days that I could take off for the first week which was my only requirement to be able to start working then rather than the week after. I rectified the situation by going over his head and talking to the man who hired me. Later on he took me and someone else threatening us that if we don't need the job that there's plenty of others that did.
Just idly "wishing" you're not poor is the act of an idiot. You have to try and do something about it. And if you don't, then as far as I'm concerned, you're obviously happy enough being poor that you don't care to get up off your ass and do something to improve your situation. If you try and fail, at least you can say you're trying and failing. I'm not going to condemn everyone who's poor. But the people living on these reservations aren't trying.I grew up in Flatbush Brooklyn, New York. Used to be very heavy gang activity and bad ghettos. The cops were afraid to walk down there. If anyone would know all these people I would. I'm sure that there are people that don't care about money if they're living comfortably enough or that they don't care enough to try to do something else but the later surely does wish they were not poor.You must not get around too much. I've met plenty of people like that. What do you think causes generational welfare abuse?I don't know anyone that doesn't care about being poor and that don't wish that they had money.
Who says they have to stay within the bounds of their reservation for their entire lives? As I've said, they're addicted to the dole.I agree to some extent. I believe that if you are a third indian and affiliated with your tribe, you can receive a free college education. Of course if they stay within the bounds of their reservation a college education will do them little good.Yes, such people do exist. But the people on the reservations have particular advantages which should make it easier for them to lift themselves out of intergenerational poverty than any other underprivileged minority, and they don't use it that way. Instead, they simply live off their special privileges.
Let's not also forget that most communities of immigrants do tend to make gradual progress, generation by generation, starting from poverty and moving up the ladder toward the middle class and even the upper class. While the white "ruling class" has plenty of built-in advantages and the system is arguably quite unfair, you're supposed to be seeing some kind of improvement over the generations, and the natives are not showing this at all.Lest not forget that the surest predictor of a person's income is the income of his or her parents.
