annoying program on atheism....

petesampras · Post by **petesampras** » 2006-12-18 03:22pm

If anyone is in the uk, check out the program on channel 4 right now - "the trouble with atheism".

It is the most ridiculous strawman attack on atheism I can imagine.

Lots of talk about not being able to 'prove' god doesn't exist.

Hopefully it will get better, but I doubt it.

petesampras · Post by **petesampras** » 2006-12-18 03:42pm

Hurray, now they are pointing to the fact that scientific theories change.

Therefore a better theory than Darwinian evolution will surely eventually come along.

Therefore it can't be accepted.

And treating Darwinian evolution as a 'religion' which preaches we must kill off or prevent the 'unfit' from breeding. Hence the nazis, etc.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2006-12-18 03:53pm

A religious show spouting lies about science? Say it ain't so!

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2006-12-18 07:27pm

petesampras wrote:Lots of talk about not being able to 'prove' god doesn't exist.

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Hurray, now they are pointing to the fact that scientific theories change.

Therefore a better theory than Darwinian evolution will surely eventually come along.

Therefore it can't be accepted.

And treating Darwinian evolution as a 'religion' which preaches we must kill off or prevent the 'unfit' from breeding. Hence the nazis, etc.

Not only are these strawmen, they are spectacularly stupid and unoriginal strawmen at that.

petesampras · Post by **petesampras** » 2006-12-18 07:50pm

The closing line was the best...

since it is not be proven one way or the other, surely the most scientific answer is to say that god may or may not exist and leave it at that

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2006-12-18 08:01pm

Since it has not been proven one way or the other, sure the most scientific solution is to say that I may or may not be God.

Post by **Dalton** » 2006-12-18 08:20pm

I love these network programs that claim to present a "fair" and "accurate" portrayal of atheism. Nothing more than a thin veneer of bullshit for what amounts to "atheism is amoral".

Hahah! Looking at the google ads at the bottom...

"Atheism against the law?
Scientific proof that atheism requires a belief in miracles.
anointed-one.net"

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2006-12-18 08:34pm

petesampras wrote: And treating Darwinian evolution as a 'religion' which preaches we must kill off or prevent the 'unfit' from breeding. Hence the nazis, etc.

Why do they confuse Darwinism with Social Darwinism? Not very original are they?

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2006-12-18 09:15pm

Dalton wrote: Hahah! Looking at the google ads at the bottom...

"Atheism against the law?
Scientific proof that atheism requires a belief in miracles.
anointed-one.net"

Is There A God?
Offering Six Straight Forward Reasons To Believe In God
www.EveryStudent.com

99 Beautiful Names of God
WCL Books-the place for the latest frontier mission resources
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Does God Exist?
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TheRCG.org

...and...

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Hmm.

"Hurray, now they are pointing to the fact that scientific theories change. "

I should just carry two copies of that Asimov on Scientific Progress essay at all times.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2006-12-19 03:50am

petesampras wrote:.

Lots of talk about not being able to 'prove' god doesn't exist.

Ugh. You can't prove that pink, flying elephants don't exist either but that doesn't make it true

Zadius · Post by **Zadius** » 2006-12-19 06:17am

It can't be as bad as this one. When will these morons start thinking of some new arguments? That is, arguments which weren't debunked centuries ago.

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2006-12-19 08:39am

The funny thing is, when these morons use old debunked arguments and we rip them apart, with wait for it... old arguments, they will accuse us of using old arguments and presume that somehow weakens our case.

Well maybe when they use new arguments, we might actually need to use new counterarguments as well.

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2006-12-19 09:41am

This was on C4, a network who will probably broadcast a show with Richerd Dawkins on full flame baitery mode...

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2006-12-19 10:16am

Zadius wrote:It can't be as bad as this one. When will these morons start thinking of some new arguments? That is, arguments which weren't debunked centuries ago.

Wow...they misrepresent atheism in the first five minutes, and then spend the next forty tirelessly attacking the wrong idea

It's like an armored division engaged in heavy combat, winning a battle effortlessly, only to realize they attacked in a completely different direction than they were supposed to.

petesampras · Post by **petesampras** » 2006-12-19 10:25am

PeZook wrote:
Zadius wrote:It can't be as bad as this one. When will these morons start thinking of some new arguments? That is, arguments which weren't debunked centuries ago.
Wow...they misrepresent atheism in the first five minutes, and then spend the next forty tirelessly attacking the wrong idea

It's like an armored division engaged in heavy combat, winning a battle effortlessly, only to realize they attacked in a completely different direction than they were supposed to.

This analogy is correct, with the exception of the 'realize' bit.....

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2006-12-19 04:11pm

petesampras wrote:
PeZook wrote:It's like an armored division engaged in heavy combat, winning a battle effortlessly, only to realize they attacked in a completely different direction than they were supposed to.
This analogy is correct, with the exception of the 'realize' bit.....

Hmm...yes, it would appear you are indeed right. So it's more like the enemy attacking, breaking through the lines, taking all strategic objectives and winning the campaign while the division tirelessly attacks a line of empty bunkers month after month after month...

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2006-12-19 04:31pm

petesampras wrote:
PeZook wrote:It's like an armored division engaged in heavy combat, winning a battle effortlessly, only to realize they attacked in a completely different direction than they were supposed to.
This analogy is correct, with the exception of the 'realize' bit.....

Hmm...yes, it would appear you are indeed right. So it's more like the enemy attacking, breaking through the lines, taking all strategic objectives and winning the campaign while the division tirelessly attacks a line of empty bunkers month after month after month...

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2006-12-19 05:23pm

petesampras wrote:
PeZook wrote:It's like an armored division engaged in heavy combat, winning a battle effortlessly, only to realize they attacked in a completely different direction than they were supposed to.
This analogy is correct, with the exception of the 'realize' bit.....

Hmm...yes, it would appear you are indeed right. So it's more like the enemy attacking, breaking through the lines, taking all strategic objectives and winning the campaign while the division tirelessly attacks a line of empty bunkers month after month after month...

Nate_A · Post by **Nate_A** » 2006-12-19 05:43pm

petesampras wrote:The closing line was the best...

since it is not be proven one way or the other, surely the most scientific answer is to say that god may or may not exist and leave it at that

Yes, just leave it at that. Don't look any deeper. Don't consider the probability that god exists. don't challenge those who live their lives around the assumption that god exists. Just leave it at "maybe so, maybe not."

Why don't these people just state outright that they don't care about science or reason and "leave it at that"?

Zadius · Post by **Zadius** » 2006-12-19 10:31pm

The Trouble With Atheism is on Youtube now. I've just begun watching it.

Post by **Zaia** » 2006-12-23 07:23pm

Why on earth wouldn't this be SLAM material? *punts out of OT*

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