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phongn wrote:For medicinal purposes, surely you'd want a pure extraction if all you're going for is medicine.
Why? As Corporal Kendal pointed out there are people who use it as pain reliever and smoke it. So apparently it works.
Or does the Pill come without the side effects or something?
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salm wrote:Why? As Corporal Kendal pointed out there are people who use it as pain reliever and smoke it. So apparently it works.
Or does the Pill come without the side effects or something?
You mean without the side effects of breathing in smoke into your body?
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^ Assuming both forms were available to me legally, I would totally take the pills for that reason. If they don't work as fast or well I'd plan ahead or take more.

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I suppose what should be considered is whether THC is really the only active ingredient.. does marinol produce effects identical to eaten marijuana?

Also, I wonder if you could create an aerosol form of the synthetic instead of a pill.

Finally, I find it at best counterintuitive, and at worst hypocritical that we have this enormous culture of drinking-to-get-drunk, but getting even a little high is a terrible thing.
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phongn wrote:
salm wrote:Why? As Corporal Kendal pointed out there are people who use it as pain reliever and smoke it. So apparently it works.
Or does the Pill come without the side effects or something?
You mean without the side effects of breathing in smoke into your body?
No, since smoking it can be avoided by various meassures with natural THC.
Obviously i mean the "whaky in the head" side effect.
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salm wrote: You have a lot more control if you smoke it. Smoking it gives you the effect allmost instantly while eating it will take half an hour or so. And if it´s in your stomache there´s no way of getting it out which can lead to very unpleasant experiences.
Errr....... No.

You get way more control over the dosage of THC, as well as being able to time the effects from an oral dose as opposed to smoking dried leaves. There is a reason why we ultimately manufacture drugs as opposed to taking it in raw form. Taking it in herb form means that the amount of drug varies, depending on the climate, soil, as well as which part of the plant you're smoking.


As for stomach, what unpleasant side effects could there be? To my knowledge, marinol and even THC itself has very little drastic side effects. And even so, there's anything from induced vomiting to stomach pump.
I guess that naturally grown grass is a lot cheaper than synthetic THC?
According to google, the prices range around 1000 dollars for 60 odd pills. I do understand the price issue. However, methinks this is more an issue of limited demand and supply...... after all, aspirin and other such medicines don't cost that much, so unless its an order of magnitude more difficult to synethesise...........
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PainRack wrote:
salm wrote: You have a lot more control if you smoke it. Smoking it gives you the effect allmost instantly while eating it will take half an hour or so. And if it´s in your stomache there´s no way of getting it out which can lead to very unpleasant experiences.
Errr....... No.

You get way more control over the dosage of THC, as well as being able to time the effects from an oral dose as opposed to smoking dried leaves. There is a reason why we ultimately manufacture drugs as opposed to taking it in raw form. Taking it in herb form means that the amount of drug varies, depending on the climate, soil, as well as which part of the plant you're smoking.

As for stomach, what unpleasant side effects could there be? To my knowledge, marinol and even THC itself has very little drastic side effects. And even so, there's anything from induced vomiting to stomach pump.
Aye, i see what you mean. You can regulate the absolute amount better when manufacturing it into pills.
However i think it is easier to control the effect for the user when smoking it because the effect hits instantly and you can just stop taking another drag from the joint. If it´s in your stomache however it´s in there and the full dose swallowed will take effect.
The effect of getting more stoned and stoned over hours without being able to get down is a really shitty experience. Believe me.
According to google, the prices range around 1000 dollars for 60 odd pills. I do understand the price issue. However, methinks this is more an issue of limited demand and supply...... after all, aspirin and other such medicines don't cost that much, so unless its an order of magnitude more difficult to synethesise...........
According to wikipedia it´s so expensive because of legal problems. It´s illegal to get it from real cannabis plants so they have to use an expensive way of jacking up low level THC cannabis.
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salm wrote: No, since smoking it can be avoided by various meassures with natural THC.
Obviously i mean the "whaky in the head" side effect.
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???????

Ok, I haven't read any recent medical studies on marijuana smoke but studies in the 80s, as biased as they were stated that marijuana smoke carried more tar than cigarette smoke(presumably because weed don't have filters, whereas ciggies do).

Even if this was untrue, the very fact that you're inhaling carbon particles means that its an irritant, with the inherent risk of bronchotitis and emphysema.
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PainRack wrote:
salm wrote: No, since smoking it can be avoided by various meassures with natural THC.
Obviously i mean the "whaky in the head" side effect.
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???????

Ok, I haven't read any recent medical studies on marijuana smoke but studies in the 80s, as biased as they were stated that marijuana smoke carried more tar than cigarette smoke(presumably because weed don't have filters, whereas ciggies do).

Even if this was untrue, the very fact that you're inhaling carbon particles means that its an irritant, with the inherent risk of bronchotitis and emphysema.
What i´m saying in that post is that you don´t necessarily have to smoke marihuana. You can consume it in other ways not involving smoke such as so called vaporizers, or you can eat or drink it. Smoke is not necessary.
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salm wrote: What i´m saying in that post is that you don´t necessarily have to smoke marihuana. You can consume it in other ways not involving smoke such as so called vaporizers, or you can eat or drink it. Smoke is not necessary.
Marijuana brownies doesn't solve the same problem of drug concentration. Beside, I did some more googling, and found that pills in Canada are less than a hundred bucks. That essentially means the reason why Marinol is so expensive in the US is because of patent rights and other regulations.
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