What caused Christianity's persecution of Judaism to change

[The Grim Squeaker]

Simple historical question really, back in the Dark ages, Medieval Ages, and 20th Century (As well as much of the period of the Byzantium Empire [Roman Empire with Christians on top]) the Christian attitude towards Jews was one of "Kill or convert all of them, except for a tiny attitude that we need for the Second coming", this was even worse during the crusades when the various armies would "Cleanse" their homes and settlements on the way of the "Heathen" Jews before heading out to the East.

So what caused it to change (And when exactly) to the current situation where most Evangelical Christians support Israel and are "influenced" by the Jews, And don't try to kill and convert them en mass, ( though currently 80% of jews that marry Christians in the US are non Jews within a Generation [Out of the half that marry non Jews in Denver, Colorado according to a recent lecturer - A Conservative R]).

I know that the "Blood libels" are less common due to it being harder to commit ethnic slaughters due to the media and the existence of Israel as a immigration location [Do not go into IVP!] (Especially with the diminishment of rural populations, and tiny Jewish populations in Poland and other Eastern Europian countries, as well as the fact that in the western world its harder to slaughter an ethnicity if you live in a first world country)

[hongi]

The Holocaust. Everyone started feeling sorry and ashamed because of their unwillingness to help the Jews in the beginning of that slaughter.

[DrMckay]

In the American West, at least, Jewish merchants were admired, (Sometimes money was left in their care for 20 years or more,) and trusted, also helping to establish networks for trade and commerce, as well as banks (paper $$$ and credit) on the West Coast (California, Oregon, Washington, etc)

(it also helped that they could read and write.)

[The Grim Squeaker]

The Holocaust. Everyone started feeling sorry and ashamed because of their unwillingness to help the Jews in the beginning of that slaughter.

But that didn't happen in previous cleansings throught history (Such as in Spain or during the Black Death), so why did it happen "now"?
The explanation of civilization getting more civilized and racism diminishing fails to explain the basic outlook of religion on Jews (It only explains the limitations on actions in 1st world countries)

In the American West, at least, Jewish merchants were admired, (Sometimes money was left in their care for 20 years or more,) and trusted, also helping to establish networks for trade and commerce, as well as banks (paper $$$ and credit) on the West Coast (California, Oregon, Washington, etc)

But there was still a great deal of racism, if not at the "Jews are making matza's out of blood".
OP: One theory that I read on the subject of the reduced level racism against Jews in America (Despite massive discrimination, virtual Ghetto's in the start of the century [Just look at where Lucky Luciano got his Jewish gunslingers]) is that most of the "main stream" discrimination was aimed at "blacks", but that doesn't address why the racism diminished (Hell there was far, far more "passive" racism/discrimination against "asians" to the point of allmost no immigration from Japan/China being allowed)

[The Spartan]

But that didn't happen in previous cleansings throught history (Such as in Spain or during the Black Death), so why did it happen "now"?

Scale perhaps? Combined with a certain acceptance of Jews, even if it was an arms length one. Plus seeing just what the Nazis did through films or personal experience (for the G.I.s).

[Melchior]

The explanation of civilization getting more civilized and racism diminishing fails to explain the basic outlook of religion on Jews (It only explains the limitations on actions in 1st world countries)

I don't see the problem with that explanation: they only changed because they were forced to, since at that point the surrounding world wouldn't have accepted the old position.

[The Grim Squeaker]

But that didn't happen in previous cleansings throught history (Such as in Spain or during the Black Death), so why did it happen "now"?

Scale perhaps?

How so? If anything there are 1-2 million Less Jews now than there were in the US in the 50's, when Antisemitism was far more prevalent (to say nothing of the 30's or before).

Combined with a certain acceptance of Jews, even if it was an arms length one.

So acceptance is the cause for less racism is the cause for relative acceptance. [Circular]

Plus seeing just what the Nazis did through films or personal experience (for the G.I.s).

Their was a pogrom right after the end of WW2 in Poland, land of the fucking Death camps, so that explanation doesn't jive.

I don't see the problem with that explanation:

It explains less countries organizing a systematic slaughter of Jews, it doesn't answer why Christians support Jews or reduced Anti-semitism (Which does often manifest as simple discrimination and bias, Jew hunts are thankfully rarer these days )

[Norseman]

Christian Zionism begun back in the 19th Century actually, though they didn't necessarily call it that then. There were several philosemmitic groups already, some were more enlightenment deists than Christians, but there were voices that argued against the Jew hate of their surroundings.

I've been collecting 19th Century newspapers recently and some of the articles are interesting, one was in "The Queen" from Saturday, July 23, 1898 and I'll just quote one interesting section:

The present Jewish population in Palestine numbered over 120,000, and these poor inhabitants of Israel's land needed the loving and helpful sympathy of their Christian brethren as never before.

I can reproduce the whole article if there's an interest, it's really an interesting look at the issue from an angle rarely seen.

EDIT: In fact I'm reproducing the article in full right now.

[The Spartan]

But that didn't happen in previous cleansings throught history (Such as in Spain or during the Black Death), so why did it happen "now"?

Scale perhaps?

How so? If anything there are 1-2 million Less Jews now than there were in the US in the 50's, when Antisemitism was far more prevalent (to say nothing of the 30's or before).

I mean that the response to the scale of the Holocaust caused the outlook to change when compared to previous cleansings. Something along the lines of "they may be bad, but they didn't deserve that."

Combined with a certain acceptance of Jews, even if it was an arms length one.

So acceptance is the cause for less racism is the cause for relative acceptance. [Circular]

I didn't mean that the racism is/was lessened, more like its form had changed. Rather than an open sort of hatred it's sort of an acceptance that they exist and should be allowed to co-exist insofar as it meets their needs. To draw a (very) rough analogy, think of the seperate but "equal" doctrine.

There may also be a sort of "enemy of my enemy" attitude involved. The Jews are looked upon as children of the same god by many Christians, including myself in another time, but the Muslims absolutely are not, even when history shows that the three religions are all from the same family and have similar beliefs.

Having typed that it makes me wonder: could it simply be that the hatred is not lessened in the least bit but rather redirected? Of course that wouldn't necessarily explain any change in attitudes immediately following WWII... but as Islamic fundamentalism grew in strength, traditional Christian nations in general, and Americans in particular, often learned to hate and/or fear Muslims. My own father, for example, is totally irrational regarding Muslims and he was born not long after America entered WWII. Which makes him about my age when Muslim extremism started to really enter the American conscious.

Plus seeing just what the Nazis did through films or personal experience (for the G.I.s).

Their was a pogrom right after the end of WW2 in Poland, land of the fucking Death camps, so that explanation doesn't jive.

I was not aware of that. And, truthfully, I can only comment on the attitude in America rather than Poland. And even then, I have to admit, somewhat speculatively.

[Norseman]

Here is the article I mentioned in full, and let me just re-iterate that the changed view on the Jews, and their religious position, goes back to an age long before the holocaust.

JEWISH INDUSTRIES NEAR JERUSALEM
By king permission of Louisa Lady Ashburton a largely attended meeting on behalf of the Society for the Relief of Persecuted Jews, of which Sir Monier Monier-Williams, K.C.I.E, is president, was held on the 13th inst., at Kent House, Knightsbridge, the immediate object of the meeting being to hear from the Rv. Dr Shields an account of his recent visit to "Abraham's Vineyard," the locality in which the Jewish industries are situate[d], and fro Mrs Finn, R.A.S., the able and indefatigable secretary of the society, some details as to the present condition of the Jews in Palestine. Letters greatly regretting inability to be present had been received from Mr F.A. Bevan, the Ladies Knox, Sir Colin and Lady Scott-Moncrieff, Sir Donald and Lady Currie, the Archdeacon of Middlesex and Mrs Thornton, Lady Pearse, Mrs and Miss Creighton, the Rev. Canon and Mrs. Somerset Pennefather, Gen. Mercer, Dr Walter Kidd, and many others.

Admiral Sir F.L. McClintock, K.C.B., presided, and having briefly opened the proceedings, Dr Shields then rose to deliver his address, in eloquent and enthusiastic terms describing his joy in being at length permitted to visit the Holy Land, such a visit having been for long the desire of his life. It was sad, however, to see that in our Lord's land, and in their own land, the Jews at the present were still regarded as aliens, and that, except by English Christians, but little was done to supply the sore, and oftentimes dire, need of these poor strangers within their own borders. The various industries, which included olive-oil soap making, vine dressing, the building of workmen's cottages upon the land, stone-dressing, carpentry, black-smith's work, &c., were under the management of Mr W.H. Dunn (a son of the late Admiral Dunn), whose wide experience at home, in South Africa, and in other countries, eminently fitted him for carrying on the work in its many branches.

Mrs Finn, who, in addition to her present invaluable secretarial work on behalf of the society, was also, in conjunction with the late Earl of Shaftesbury, its founder and organiser, gave a striking and pathetic narrative of many circumstances connected with the continued harsh treatment of the Jewish people by European nations. The present Jewish population in Palestine numbered over 120,000, and these poor inhabitants of Israel's land needed the loving and helpful sympathy of their Christian brethren as never before. Concluding with a practical statement as to the best means of showing their sympathy by supporting the Jewish industries near Jerusalem, Mrs Finn made an earnest appal to her hearers to specially encourage the soap-making industry now forming so large a portion of the work in "Abraham's Vineyard." This "Kasher Soap," as it was called, was made from pure Palestine olive oil and alkali grown on the Jordan plain. It contained no animal fat nor deleterious chemicals nor scents, had been successful in curing many cases of Eczema, and was most highly recommended by medical men as unique in purity.

Any further information as to this deeply interesting movement on behalf of the Jews of Palestine may be obtained on application to the Assistant Secretary at the office of the society, 41, Parliament-street, S.W.; or to Mrs Finn, 75, Brook green, W.

[Big Orange]

Before the Holocaust, most of hostile actions launched against Jewish communities were really aggressive displacements, massed evictions or forced religious assimilation. The Holocaust was different, since it was intended as complete and utter extermination after late 1941 - this must've gravely shakened most anti-Semites.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Well on one note there was the absolvement of the Jews' long-standing status as "Christ Killers" by the Catholic church during the fourth sessions of the Second Vatican Council in 1965.

[Flagg]

This may sound flippant, but it's probably because they killed most, or at least a good portion of them.

[Pablo Sanchez]

The definition of the "nation" changed drastically in the mid-19th century. Regional identity was subverted and replaced by national identity, with results that can be clearly seen in the development of French national culture and the unifications of Germany and Italy. In the new model of the nation state, religion tended to become less and less important--in this period Britain adopted full toleration and representation for non-Anglicans, a half-Protestant half-Catholic Imperial Germany did just fine, etc.

As a result of this, Jews came to be broadly accepted as members of the nation. Anti-semitism still bubbled beneath the surface but integration of Jews proceeded apace, so that by WWI in many countries (Britain, USA, Imperial Germany) they could be considered full participants in the nation-state. This is part of why the Holocaust took so many German Jews by surprise and was so shocking.

When you factor in trends of increasing toleration for minorities and gentility in society (i.e., wife- and child-beating becoming unacceptable) it's not difficult to understand their current status.

[Big Orange]

As a result of this, Jews came to be broadly accepted as members of the nation. Anti-semitism still bubbled beneath the surface but integration of Jews proceeded apace, so that by WWI in many countries (Britain, USA, Imperial Germany) they could be considered full participants in the nation-state. This is part of why the Holocaust took so many German Jews by surprise and was so shocking.

Which is why Adolf Hitler's hammer fell much more violently on foreign Jewish communities than it did in Germany, with Hitler's genocide motivated by aggressive nationalism against Eastern Europe and helped along by war in the East. I guess amongst most Nazis much of their anti-Semitic contempt was towards the more "foreign" looking Eastern Jews rather than the more "Aryan" looking German Jews.

[The Grim Squeaker]

Scale perhaps?

How so? If anything there are 1-2 million Less Jews now than there were in the US in the 50's, when Antisemitism was far more prevalent (to say nothing of the 30's or before).

I mean that the response to the scale of the Holocaust caused the outlook to change when compared to previous cleansings. Something along the lines of "they may be bad, but they didn't deserve that."

During the Crusades the overall attitude was "Kill all the Jews save a thousand for when Christ comes back", true some of the Nobility held back the knights and peasant rabble due to the Jews Economic usefulness, but a nombleman could equally want to kill his debtor. (So both Religous incentive to near genocide and a economic one)

An example (Out of countless):

The Crusaders ("Ultrapuertos") were hailed with joy in Toledo, but this joy was soon changed to sorrow, as far as the Jews were concerned. The Crusaders began the "holy war" in Toledo (1212) by robbing and butchering the Jews, and if the knights had not checked them with armed forces all the Jews in Toledo would have been slain.
A turning-point in the history of the Jews of Spain was reached under Ferdinand III (who united permanently the kingdoms of Leon and Castile), and under James I, the contemporary ruler of Aragon. The clergy's endeavors directed against the Jews became more and more pronounced. The Spanish Jews of both sexes, like the Jews of France, were compelled to distinguish themselves from Christians by wearing a yellow badge on their clothing; this order was issued to keep them from associating with Christians, although the reason given was that it was ordered for their own safety.

The papal bull issued by Pope Innocent IV in April, 1250, to the effect that Jews might not build a new synagogue without special permission, also made making proselytes was forbidden to the Jews under pain of death and confiscation of property. They might not associate with the Christians, live under the same roof with them, eat and drink with them, or use the same bath; neither might a Christian partake of wine which had been prepared by a Jew. The Jews might not employ Christian nurses or servants, and Christians might use only medicinal remedies which had been prepared by competent Christian apothecaries. Every Jew should wear the badge, though the king reserved to himself the right to exempt any one from this obligation; any Jew apprehended without the badge was liable to a fine of ten gold maravedís or to the infliction of ten stripes. The Jews were forbidden to appear in public on Good Friday.

A further list of Massacres in Spain up till the expulsion

The Kishinev Pogrom 1903
Anti Semitism, with events of this century included for reference

And Proof of the Pogrom I mentioned right after WW2 (I was in the town in question when in Poland):
The Kielce Pogrom
Also: Nikita Kruschev/Communist discrimination post WW2 despite the many founding Jewish Communists
Polish 1968 political crisis. The state-organized anti-Semitic campaign in the People's Republic of Poland under guise of "anti-Zionism" drives out most of remaining Jewish population.
September 2005
Throughout the Polish election Radio Maryja continued to promote antisemitic views, including denial of the facts of the Jedwabne pogrom in 1941. Their support of right-wing conservative Law and Justice party is considered a major factor in their electoral victory.
2005: A group of 15 members of the State Duma of Russia demands that Judaism and Jewish organizations be banned from the country. In June, 500 prominent Russians demand that the state prosecutor investigate ancient Jewish texts as "anti-Russian" and ban Judaism. The investigation was launched, but halted among international outcry.

Combined with a certain acceptance of Jews, even if it was an arms length one.

So acceptance is the cause for less racism is the cause for relative acceptance. [Circular]

I didn't mean that the racism is/was lessened, more like its form had changed. Rather than an open sort of hatred it's sort of an acceptance that they exist and should be allowed to co-exist insofar as it meets their needs. To draw a (very) rough analogy, think of the seperate but "equal" doctrine.

True, I'm certainly not arguing that the showing of racism (And Anti-Semitism) has changed, same as that done to the Blacks, Asians etc' (Forgive me for the generalities in the designations).

My additional question is what changed in Christianity that made it now support the Jews rather than persecute them or denounce them? (Christianity is certainly unfriendly to Islam today as a counter-example despite the modern age)

There may also be a sort of "enemy of my enemy" attitude involved. The Jews are looked upon as children of the same god by many Christians, including myself in another time, but the Muslims absolutely are not, even when history shows that the three religions are all from the same family and have similar beliefs.

That didn't matter in the past, hell Heretics are often easier to seek out than an external foe in civil disturbances. (The Crusaders would hunt and torment the Jews before leaving on the Crusades, and did so without the Crusades, unlike their attitude [Trade] with Islam when there wasn't a holy war on).

Having typed that it makes me wonder: could it simply be that the hatred is not lessened in the least bit but rather redirected?

Seems odd, certainly didn't happen previously in history and it wouldn't explain the outright Evangelical support in the US.

Of course that wouldn't necessarily explain any change in attitudes immediately following WWII... but as Islamic fundamentalism grew in strength, traditional Christian nations in general, and Americans in particular, often learned to hate and/or fear Muslims. My own father, for example, is totally irrational regarding Muslims and he was born not long after America entered WWII. Which makes him about my age when Muslim extremism started to really enter the American conscious.

Thats very, very interesting, I didn't know that was present back then. (Hell I was sure that the attitude then would be even stronger anti-jewish barring European returning G.I's due to them growing up in a period where there were virtual Jewish Ghetto's in the US, a strong Jewish presence in the Mafia and an immense amount of racism (Japanese Amercians being locked up in camps, and almost no Asian immigration for example).

Plus seeing just what the Nazis did through films or personal experience (for the G.I.s).

Their was a pogrom right after the end of WW2 in Poland, land of the fucking Death camps, so that explanation doesn't jive.

I was not aware of that. And, truthfully, I can only comment on the attitude in America rather than Poland. And even then, I have to admit, somewhat speculatively.

K, though I'm curious as to the change in Christians especially in America (the 70 million Evangelicals) so comment away .
Also proof/link:Details on the Brutal Kielce Pogrom (With Government agencies helping) right after WW2

"Snip"This is part of why the Holocaust took so many German Jews by surprise and was so shocking.

Very true, though the greater degree of Anti-Semitism previously was in the strongly Religous Poland (Where the Jews had not secularized to anywhere nearly as much as in Germany and were still strongly religous), the German's made sure to build the Death camps in Poland for a reason (The Poles turned the Jews in, even [And especially] the Partisan members).
The Jews were often especially hated after the advent of nationality since they were seen as a nation of their own (Small self run Ghettos or rural villages barring secular/integrated groups such as most of Germany, France, England, etc').

[Zaia]

*kicks to SLAM*

[The Spartan]

First, my apologies for taking so long to get back to this, but with the holidays and an impromtu 3 days off that I didn't expect I've been distracted.

*snip* examples

I can't help but notice that the majority, if not all, of the examples of anti-jewish behavior were the result of eastern Europe, Poland and the Soviet Union in particular, and Muslims.

True, I'm certainly not arguing that the showing of racism (And Anti-Semitism) has changed, same as that done to the Blacks, Asians etc' (Forgive me for the generalities in the designations).

My additional question is what changed in Christianity that made it now support the Jews rather than persecute them or denounce them? (Christianity is certainly unfriendly to Islam today as a counter-example despite the modern age)

Perhaps it wasn't Christianity per se that changed. It may have been western society. See the traditionally Eastern Orthodox Soviet Bloc countries maintaining their anti-Semitism in the examples you cite.

What form that change took, well, I have to admit now that I don't know what it was. Secularization in society perhaps? I know that many of the really crazy Christians are still quite anti-Semitic but those are generally marginalized. Mostly. And it wouldn't be the first time that Christianity had adapted to society: the end of witchhunts for example, at least here, was the result of societal leaders stepping in and saying something to the effect of, "Okay that's enough, this had gone too far."

That didn't matter in the past, hell Heretics are often easier to seek out than an external foe in civil disturbances. (The Crusaders would hunt and torment the Jews before leaving on the Crusades, and did so without the Crusades, unlike their attitude [Trade] with Islam when there wasn't a holy war on).

Maybe they simply needed a convenient bad guy. They see the Jews as convenient since they can be blamed for the execution of Jesus so they use them.

Then as Jews, and western society, largely secularized when compared to past levels of church involvement the "need" to hate Jews became more of a back burner kind of issue with the Holocaust being the proverbial straw that ended that hatred. But this is not a very good explanation as it doesn't account for what was going on in Eastern Europe.

Thats very, very interesting, I didn't know that was present back then. (Hell I was sure that the attitude then would be even stronger anti-jewish barring European returning G.I's due to them growing up in a period where there were virtual Jewish Ghetto's in the US, a strong Jewish presence in the Mafia and an immense amount of racism (Japanese Amercians being locked up in camps, and almost no Asian immigration for example).

Well, my dad wasn't raised to hate Jews but to hate Blacks primarily(Texas Baptist in the 1940's and 50's). And his dad did serve though I don't think it was a combat role. I want to say cook or barber in the Navy in the Pacific but it's been so long since I asked that I don't remember.

His irrationality regarding Muslims didn't arise until probably the 70's when it started becoming a more widely known problem that Americans knew about. The Munich Olympic massacre in '72 for example. So he would have been, actually, a little bit older than me, in his early 30's. Or earlier with the Six Day War in '67 or the War of Attrition in 1970.

Their was a pogrom right after the end of WW2 in Poland, land of the fucking Death camps, so that explanation doesn't jive.

I was not aware of that. And, truthfully, I can only comment on the attitude in America rather than Poland. And even then, I have to admit, somewhat speculatively.

K, though I'm curious as to the change in Christians especially in America (the 70 million Evangelicals) so comment away .
Also proof/link:Details on the Brutal Kielce Pogrom (With Government agencies helping) right after WW2

Again, I have to point out that this occured in Eastern Europe under the Soviet Bloc. So again the problem is the continuance of anti-semitism in the East but not in the West. And my feeble attempts at explaining this still come up short, I'm afraid, as they (potentially) explain the changes in Western society but not Eastern. The only thing I can think of was that Eastern Europe had lagged behind the West in technological and cultural advances in such a way that, combined with Communist control of information, they never got over the hump and continued hating Jews in a way that Westerners did not. But there, again, I can not say with any certainty what that change was.

[The Grim Squeaker]

First, my apologies for taking so long to get back to this, but with the holidays and an impromtu 3 days off that I didn't expect I've been distracted.

Same

*snip* examples

I can't help but notice that the majority, if not all, of the examples of anti-jewish behavior were the result of eastern Europe, Poland and the Soviet Union in particular, and Muslims.

Apart from say, those in France (The Dreyfus affair for example) or in England and Sweden [It might have been Finland, I'm not sure] (I have friends who left their due to anti-semitism, heck it happened with us)

True, I'm certainly not arguing that the showing of racism (And Anti-Semitism) has changed, same as that done to the Blacks, Asians etc' (Forgive me for the generalities in the designations).

My additional question is what changed in Christianity that made it now support the Jews rather than persecute them or denounce them? (Christianity is certainly unfriendly to Islam today as a counter-example despite the modern age)

Perhaps it wasn't Christianity per se that changed. It may have been western society. See the traditionally Eastern Orthodox Soviet Bloc countries maintaining their anti-Semitism in the examples you cite.

You mean a less religous western society?
So the proof of religion changing is less persecution along with less religion. Circular logic.

What form that change took, well, I have to admit now that I don't know what it was. Secularization in society perhaps? I know that many of the really crazy Christians are still quite anti-Semitic but those are generally marginalized.

Except that a decent chunk of the Evangelicals (Fundies) do support Israel/The Jews these days, and they certainly aren't moderates. (even if there are 70 million of them).

Mostly. And it wouldn't be the first time that Christianity had adapted to society: the end of witchhunts for example, at least here, was the result of societal leaders stepping in and saying something to the effect of, "Okay that's enough, this had gone too far."

Possible, since there was some outcry after the Dreyfus affair. And The night of the crystal balls. And the Nazi Persecution of jews. And the Blood libels in Poland. And the Holocaust. And the recent riots in France.
This isn't just Christianity being beaten down, it's an attitude shift (Christianity didn't start supporting the witches).

That didn't matter in the past, hell Heretics are often easier to seek out than an external foe in civil disturbances. (The Crusaders would hunt and torment the Jews before leaving on the Crusades, and did so without the Crusades, unlike their attitude [Trade] with Islam when there wasn't a holy war on).

Maybe they simply needed a convenient bad guy. They see the Jews as convenient since they can be blamed for the execution of Jesus so they use them.

Since the Romans are the priests these days .
The Jews were useful for economic reasons.

Then as Jews, and western society, largely secularized when compared to past levels of church involvement the "need" to hate Jews became more of a back burner kind of issue with the Holocaust being the proverbial straw that ended that hatred. But this is not a very good explanation as it doesn't account for what was going on in Eastern Europe.

In addition Nationalization made the jews more outcast than they were before, it's what caused the rise of Zionism along with Anti-semitism even in the Emancipated western Europe.

Thats very, very interesting, I didn't know that was present back then. (Hell I was sure that the attitude then would be even stronger anti-jewish barring European returning G.I's due to them growing up in a period where there were virtual Jewish Ghetto's in the US, a strong Jewish presence in the Mafia and an immense amount of racism (Japanese Amercians being locked up in camps, and almost no Asian immigration for example).

Well, my dad wasn't raised to hate Jews but to hate Blacks

It is interesting that in the US and Israel to a degree the focus of racism is towards those with a different skin colour rather than a different religion or of a different ethnic group or tribe (The Tutsi & Hutsi for example).

His irrationality regarding Muslims didn't arise until probably the 70's when it started becoming a more widely known problem that Americans knew about. The Munich Olympic massacre in '72 for example. So he would have been, actually, a little bit older than me, in his early 30's. Or earlier with the Six Day War in '67 or the War of Attrition in 1970.

The timescales are very different than those I'm used to think of in these contexts, quite an interesting fact.

I was not aware of that. And, truthfully, I can only comment on the attitude in America rather than Poland. And even then, I have to admit, somewhat speculatively.

K, though I'm curious as to the change in Christians especially in America (the 70 million Evangelicals) so comment away .
Also proof/link:Details on the Brutal Kielce Pogrom (With Government agencies helping) right after WW2

Again, I have to point out that this occured in Eastern Europe under the Soviet Bloc. So again the problem is the continuance of anti-semitism in the East but not in the West.

There have been Riots in France & the UK. (And the modern Neo-Nazi movement).

And my feeble attempts at explaining this still come up short, I'm afraid, as they (potentially) explain the changes in Western society but not Eastern. The only thing I can think of was that Eastern Europe had lagged behind the West in technological and cultural advances in such a way that, combined with Communist control of information, they never got over the hump and continued hating Jews in a way that Westerners did not. But there, again, I can not say with any certainty what that change was.

Well the connection between a modern, secularised society compared to an inverse reaction with a backwards religous society is obvious.
It's still missing the point on the change in Christian religous dogma and attitude.

[Lonestar]

Easy. Post-WW2 most American GIs in Germany had had a profound shock at the death camps, and they brought the disgust at antisemitism(which was part of the "Bad guys" philosophical outlook) home with them. This caused the American Evangelical movement in the States to shift from "Christkillers" to "Jews need to be supported and kept alive...because the Rapture won't happen untilt he Temple is built, and that isn't likely to happen unless the Jewish State continues" (or something to that effect.)

[The Yosemite Bear]

It started with the rennissance. Dring the hundred years war the christians were so busy fighting each other. Cromwell started protecting Jews, later Cathren the GReat.

[Big Orange]

(Where the Jews had not secularized to anywhere nearly as much as in Germany and were still strongly religous), the German's made sure to build the Death camps in Poland for a reason (The Poles turned the Jews in, even [And especially] the Partisan members).

Uh yeah, DEATH.

The Nazi regime built up the gigantic camp system in Poland because that was first country they conquered and they were interning/displacing hundreds of thousands to millions of Catholic Poles as well (even though Catholic Poles were certainly no friends of the Jewish Poles or Jews from other countries). Why pick on the Poles in general when they did not directly instigate the Holocaust and were essentially victims themselves?

I guess some of the Catholic Poles were occasionally killing or/and turning in Jews to the Nazi authorities because they were extreme nationalists and perceived Jews as Soviet collaborators (which is not unfounded, but does not excuse the atrocities).

There have been Riots in France & the UK. (And the modern Neo-Nazi movement).

In France most of the problems have mainly been caused by Muslim Berbers/Arabs rather than "native" French and I guess most of the national ire is directed at foreign Muslims rather than Jewish French. In Britain Islamophobia is stronger than anti-Jewish sentiments and Neo-Nazis are mainly laughed out of anywhere important.

[Imperial Overlord]

It started with the rennissance. Dring the hundred years war the christians were so busy fighting each other. Cromwell started protecting Jews, later Cathren the GReat.

No, it predates this time considerably. Jews might have had to live with all kinds of restrictions, but they were a generally educated group and quite useful. When the First Crusade rampaged through Germany in 1095 on their way to liberate the Holy Land the Jews they killed in German towns (to get an early start in killing the enemies of God) were all under the Emperor's protection (which didn't matter much when the Emperor was elsewhere and thousands of pilgrims were right there and ready to kill some Jews right now). They were just continuing the same old practice in the Renaissance and later periods. Jews were useful so they were often protected by authorities, but that protection could turn out to be not worth much.

[Jawawithagun]

I guess an economic factor might figure in too.
For a long time Jews were the foremost moneylenders, merchants etc. throughout Europe due to them not being allowed to hold land etc.
Riches were measured by the size of your estates, the number of villages and peasants under your rule.

Then you get a change in the way fortunes are made and wealth is measured. Agricultural holdings become less and less important throughout the industrial revolution and riches aren't measured interms of land anymore but in hard coin - bringing everyone else closer to the Jews in that regard.

I reckon that had a part in eroding the standards of antisemitism. It leened the distinction between what a wealthy Christian and a wealthy Jew looked like.

[The Spartan]

I'm going to back out trying to explain it. Everything I think of runs into a counter example wall, even when it's not falacious.