New Creationist Boardgame. I Shit You Not.

[OmegaGuy]

I saw this on FSTDT already.

Also, if their faith can be destroyed by just a little contradictory information, it seems that that faith isn't really very strong at all.

[Darth Wong]

I saw this on FSTDT already.

Also, if their faith can be destroyed by just a little contradictory information, it seems that that faith isn't really very strong at all.

That's an oversimplification. What happens is that they're sure there's a God and a Heaven, but they're afraid that they will be "deceived" by those clever science and philosophy guys with their fancy talk. And if they're "deceived" thusly, then they will lose their place in Heaven and be damned to eternal suffering. They call Satan the "Lord of Lies" after all (since Tony Snow wasn't around back then, I guess they had to give the title to somebody).

Remember that they don't necessarily think something must be true or untrue just because of what logic says. In their minds, logic is subordinate to God. But they're afraid they might find it convincing.

[PeZook]

I saw this on FSTDT already.

Also, if their faith can be destroyed by just a little contradictory information, it seems that that faith isn't really very strong at all.

DW nailed it, I think, but it's not necessarily that their faith is weak - Christians are warned at every step that Satan will tempt them, and to avoid evil, because supposedly mere contact with "evil" can corrupt even the most devout Christian, like Chaos from 40K or something. I attended a fair number of religious services myself, and the priest always warned about this all-pervasive evil that's tirelessly trying to convert good god-fearing folks. Movies are like that, the media is like that, wrong books can corrupt you, etc.

Add to that the fact the entire religion is designed around the concept of man being a weak sinner, and there you have it.

In essence, the fear is implanted into them from a young age, not necessarily coming from within.

[PeZook]

Addendum: I should add that I felt the exact same way about reading this website for the first time before becoming an atheist. I feared it would convert me to rationalism and God would punish me, because humans are weak and require guidance from their betters (That's almost word for word what my priest once said to the faithful during mass)

[CorSec]

I'm more interested in which stores will be willing to sell their product.

I saw Eternal Forces in Best Buy just yesterday. I kinda laughed until I got sad about it.

[wautd]

Ironic since such creature would be proof against evolution. This one must have been intelligently designed

[Dooey Jo]

Comfort said, “This game didn’t happen by accident. It was intelligently designed with a specific purpose in mind, and we hope it creates a big bang in the Christian and secular world.”

An actor and an author intelligently designing a board game? That'd be quite a big bang, yes... And what, is this like some kind of circle-jerk version of Trivial Pursuit, or what?

I'd design a game about Intelligent Design vs. Evolution thusly:

1. The game is to be played by three or more people.
2. You play as either a creationist or an evolutionist.
3. Each player starts out with 50 intelligence points.
4. Each turn, for each player: Throw a die and draw an Argument Card from one out of six kinds of card depending on how the die roll.
5. There is a creationist argument on the card, and a scientific explanation. Ask your fellow evolutionist players to guess the explanation by writing it down on a piece of paper. All who guess correctly win 2 intelligence points.
6. If any evolutionist guesses correctly, all creationists are to put their fingers into their ears and shout "Lalalala" real loud. Use a decibel-meter to measure who shouts the loudest. He will only lose two intelligence points but the others are to lose three points.
7. If no evolutionist can guess correctly, the creationists are to say "Halelujah", drink one sip of wine (or if they never drink wine, liqour is fine). If their intelligence points are below 25, they are to take another sip. Then they are to insult any evolutionist at the table. The one with the best insult loses only one intelligence point, while the other shall lose two. Which one was the best will be decided by vote among the evolutionists. The evolutionist which was targeted by the insult, will lose one intelligence point.
8. The game ends when either all creationists have no more intelligence points, or the creationists are too drunk to say comprehensible sentences, or all evolutionists have left in sheer frustration. The winner is the one with the most intelligence points.

There. Now that be a good game. Well, somewhat accurate, at least. It's intelligently designed to simulate a typical online evolution vs. intelligent design debate.

[Ted C]

I'm more interested in which stores will be willing to sell their product.

Available soon in Christian bookstores everywhere, I expect.

[Gaidin]

I know the Christian mindset pretty well, having attended so many church services, not to mention being married to a Christian for so many years. When Rebecca was in university, she considered taking philosophy because I took it, but she decided against it because she was afraid she might hear something that could threaten her faith. That's the kind of mindset I'm talking about, and it is extremely common. Eventually, the info got to her anyway, but it was kind of unavoidable since she was married to me.

Amusingly the best preachers are the ones that get the philosophy degrees and talk about a way of life instead of faith in said supreme being or action(see: crucifixion). They may have said beliefs, but they tend not to push them directly.

My campus chaplain from high school was one such, and when he spoke as opposed to the local church pastor, you could tell a big difference in what was being spoken about.

[RedImperator]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but has any "evolutionist" ever postulated that amphibians and mammals are directly related? Or is that illustration making fun of man's origins from the sea?

Well, they're directly related in the sense that mammals are descended from amphibians, but the amphibian line that eventually gave rise to the reptiles (which in turn gave rise to the mammals) went extinct hundreds of millions of years ago. Modern amphibians evolved relatively recently; frogs are our distant cousins, not our ancestors.

[Junghalli]

This explains why evolutionists have a special language, something we call ‘the language of speculation,’ where they use words like ‘We believe, perhaps, probably, maybe, could have . . . ’ They can’t speak of their theory without it.”

No, it's because science works from actual human observation, and allows for the facts that human knowledge may be flawed. Creationism on the other hand works by arbitrarily quoting ancient dogma derived from the superstitions of a Middle Eastern desert tribe. It's unfortunate that this makes creationists sound more resolute than scientists, as the only reason they don't use similar language is that they're walking around with the incredible conceit that their beliefs absolutely must be 100% correct. A conceit that's all the more absurd when you consider the extremely questionable nature of their source.

Cameron adds, “To believe in evolutionary ‘transitional forms’ is to hold to the belief that one species evolved into another. However, there is no scientific evidence of any species evolving into another—not in creation, nor in the ‘fossil record.’ Most people don’t know that."

Bullshit. Early hominid fossils show clear evidence of human evolution from a small upright-standing primate with a small brain case to modern humans. Of course, the conception these idiots have of how evolution and mutation work probably comes from B-grade horror/SF movies.

[Darth Mordius]

They've read the thread!
Link to the online store.
They actually quoted this thread as "What evolutionists are already saying". I just ... this is too hilarious for words.

[WarHawk]

They've read the thread!
Link to the online store.
They actually quoted this thread as "What evolutionists are already saying". I just ... this is too hilarious for words.

lmao


i still think it's a joke...one of you guys did it lol

[Pint0 Xtreme]

LivingWaters.com?

I sincerely doubt that it's a joke. They may have just done a Google search and ended up stumbling onto this board.

[Spin Echo]

They've read the thread!
Link to the online store.
They actually quoted this thread as "What evolutionists are already saying". I just ... this is too hilarious for words.

I like how they resort to deceitful.. I'm sorry selective quotation to make it look as if we're afraid that a board game could prove evolution wrong. (Think the cuntoxes will try and lift the end of that sentence?) Because lying to support your case is okay when it's for the greater good of god.

[Darth Wong]

They've read the thread!
Link to the online store.
They actually quoted this thread as "What evolutionists are already saying". I just ... this is too hilarious for words.

I like how they resort to deceitful.. I'm sorry selective quotation to make it look as if we're afraid that a board game could prove evolution wrong. (Think the cuntoxes will try and lift the end of that sentence?) Because lying to support your case is okay when it's for the greater good of god.

That's one of the things I like to point out whenever someone says that I'm too confrontational with creationists. When you look at their tactics, you have no choice but to conclude that they are deliberately dishonest. And when someone is being deliberately dishonest, why should you treat him as if he's not?

[Ryushikaze]

I note that they neglected to mention the two reasons I felt this thing wouldn't get sold. Hello dishonest fucks, I'm sure you're looking at this. Next time, quote us in our entirety, or fuck off.

[Stark]

How open is their forum? It'd be easy to politely post full quotes there if they're misrepresenting people. Full pots, no commentary - they couldn't object and everyone could see the dishonesty.

[Ghost Rider]

They've read the thread!
Link to the online store.
They actually quoted this thread as "What evolutionists are already saying". I just ... this is too hilarious for words.

*sniff* They quoted me .

By the way, maybe next time they will put the picture of the Bull-Frog next to my quote, and have people realize why I said it, but maybe that's asking too much.

[Surlethe]

How open is their forum? It'd be easy to politely post full quotes there if they're misrepresenting people. Full pots, no commentary - they couldn't object and everyone could see the dishonesty.

It's not even a forum: the dishonest fucks posted it directly to their website.

And even if it were a forum, I doubt you'd last long. They could certainly object, especially if there were profanity in the posts you were cross-posting.

[K. A. Pital]

They dared to quote Valdemar!

". . . a board game by two idiots in North America who are ex-nothings will prove science wrong."

Well, well. Digging their own grave, I see.

Enjoy this wonderful family game as you also become better equipped to defend our precious Christian faith.

My... prrrecious! Gollum! Gollum!

[SirNitram]

My god, these two losers are ego-surfing and are quoting us? Madness.

[Lord Poe]

Well, if they're quoting this forum, then we must provide this URL:

http://www.creationtheory.org

EDIT: Mike, look at the stuff you can add to your website!

http://www.livingwaters.com/add.shtml

[K. A. Pital]

Look here and fall down in awe and terror. Kirk freaking Cameron and the great Banana...

[Lord Poe]

Look here and fall down in awe and terror. Kirk freaking Cameron and the great Banana...

Hee hee heee!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yArPNtiQDcM