Would the Scimitar be of Interest to the Empire?

Romulan_nemesis · Post by **Romulan_nemesis** » 2002-12-31 08:51pm

If the Romulans beat back the Remans like they always did, and got hold of the Scimitar before Shinzon went all crazy-like, would the Empire be interested in the vessel? Especially the Cloak and Fire Technology that cannot be dectected?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-31 08:53pm

They might be interested in the one-way cloak, until they figure out that you can see the damned thing on infrared and wonder how the fuck anybody is supposed to be fooled by this thing. Especially when they should have known to do this since ST6.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2002-12-31 08:53pm

Probably the cloak, but the rest would go in the garbage can.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-12-31 08:55pm

It would make an excellant museum piece.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-31 08:56pm

The first group of techs to perform weapons tests on the thing would have to be hospitalized from severe injuries after laughing too hard.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-31 09:04pm

Superweapons always peak the Empire's intrest.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2002-12-31 09:48pm

Ender wrote:Superweapons always peak the Empire's intrest.

But that which is considered a superweapon by Trek standards is nothing by Imperial standards.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-31 09:59pm

Given it's about the Romulan Empire...I'd say they would probably give it a look see if for nothing else than the supposed perfect cloak.

The rest would induce severe stomach pains from laughter.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-12-31 10:09pm

HemlockGrey wrote:It would make an excellant museum piece.

or something for target practice.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2002-12-31 10:27pm

paladin wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:It would make an excellant museum piece.
or something for target practice.

*ponders this for a moment and heads for the waste disposal system, planning to use the infamous "Ackbar Slash" to destroy the ship....*

Keevan.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-31 10:30pm

The cloak and the radiation weapon, in case the Empire wanted to conquer a world but leave the materials intact.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-31 10:52pm

The Empire already has life destroying bio weapons, and doesn't need massively over engineered wing pod things to deploy them. It can also just conduct a more limited orbital bombardment and then unleash chemical weapons. There's nothing on the ship that the Empire would fine of value.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-12-31 11:06pm

The cloak, while by no means perfect, would at least fool the casual onlooker. Worth installation assuming it doesn't draw too much power or take up too much space (or, of course, cost too much).

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-12-31 11:40pm

The cloak might not work against Star Wars ships, but it does against Star Trek ones.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-01-01 01:19am

I wouldn't expect it to work against someone who is looking for you, but again it might keep the casual observer from knowing you're there.

namdoolb · Post by **namdoolb** » 2003-01-01 06:28am

well, it's interesting that the events of ST6 capitalised on a weakness of the cloaking system that neither Star Trek nor Star Wars cloaks have dealt with.

Every engine has emissions, when those emmissions leave the ship they cease to be cloaked. By simply following the emmissions to source you can locate the cloaked ship.

Obviously not for use in a cluttered battlefield. (it's notable that only 3 ships were present in ST6 when this was used, and the Federation ships at least were largely motionless) However, the site provides no rationalisation of how SW cloaks could prevent this, I'd be interested to hear how you would rationalise SW ships to be immune to this tactic.

As for why the feds don't use those torps commonly... Expense? Difficulty of modification? Dangerously indiscriminate? (there's every chance the torp could lock onto the emissions of the ship that fired it)

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-01-01 08:51am

Lousy Writing?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-01 08:57am

namdoolb wrote: However, the site provides no rationalisation of how SW cloaks could prevent this, I'd be interested to hear how you would rationalise SW ships to be immune to this tactic.

Why would the Imps wanna hide from the mamby-pamby soft cock forces of Trek?

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » 2003-01-01 09:12am

Vympel wrote:
namdoolb wrote: However, the site provides no rationalisation of how SW cloaks could prevent this, I'd be interested to hear how you would rationalise SW ships to be immune to this tactic.
Why would the Imps wanna hide from the mamby-pamby soft cock forces of Trek?

He most likely means "Why can't SW ships see other cloaked SW ships by this method instead of resorting to expensive CGT devices?"

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-01 09:22am

Shadow wrote: He most likely means "Why can't SW ships see other cloaked SW ships by this method instead of resorting to expensive CGT devices?"

Ah. In that case, buggered if I know.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2003-01-01 11:22am

They can. As far as I remember they only needed the CGT to pick up the cloaked asteroids which are a tad harder to locate. Hell I think it even says in one of the books that a cloaking device is of limited utility in battle precisely because it can be picked up by tracking engine emissions.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-01 01:26pm

namdoolb wrote:well, it's interesting that the events of ST6 capitalised on a weakness of the cloaking system that neither Star Trek nor Star Wars cloaks have dealt with.

Every engine has emissions, when those emmissions leave the ship they cease to be cloaked. By simply following the emmissions to source you can locate the cloaked ship.

Obviously not for use in a cluttered battlefield. (it's notable that only 3 ships were present in ST6 when this was used, and the Federation ships at least were largely motionless) However, the site provides no rationalisation of how SW cloaks could prevent this, I'd be interested to hear how you would rationalise SW ships to be immune to this tactic.

As for why the feds don't use those torps commonly... Expense? Difficulty of modification? Dangerously indiscriminate? (there's every chance the torp could lock onto the emissions of the ship that fired it)

Wars did deal with this. You can detect them by their emmissions, so the ships either coast, or have noncloaked ships pull them. THey couldn't really drive anyways, as the inability to use sensors means they could run into something.

Hence why cloaks are not all pervasive and require good tactics to use.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-01-01 02:09pm

Or you could shut off your engines and use good old Newtonian physics to do the rest.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-01 02:12pm

Uses of cloaking system to the empire.

Cloaking the Death star. It would be impossible to find the right trench if it is cloaked.

Cloaked storage houses. Something along the lines of wayland, in an asteroid, orbiting a neutron star or something that jams grav sensors. Very difficult to detect.

Cloaked planetery defense systems. Only good for one shot but a good ion cannon (not like the one on endor) can take out an ISD with it's sheilds up. A few dozen could cripple an attack force.

With imperial ganerator tech would it be possible to increase the power by a few billion or trillion times? and cloak a star, a trade federation core ship can sit on a sol type's surface with little difficulty IIRC, If it could then cloak the star, you have an instant orbital nightcloak, only almost impossible to destroy. (you wouldn't know where it was due to the gravity of the star, and the emissions would be drowned out.

A Cloaked Intedictor in a fleet would be able to make the cloak useful by jamming any sensors that would detect ships within it's field. This would be negated by drive emissions though.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-01 02:22pm

its mentioned that SW cloaks are 'perfect' in the sense all radiation one way or the other through them is stopped....so you are blind but no one can see you....matter however can pass in and out of the field.....hence emmitions from engines can be seen....charged particles or waste material vented become the only means of following the ship.
To make the cloak useful you have to keep perfectly still....meaning in a strategic sense it is largely useless....it can be used to hide when no one is looking too hard or as part of very precise tactical plans such as thrawn used.....

Other than that its like a DVD player in a car....an intresting but mostly pointless extra.

Keevan.

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Would the Scimitar be of Interest to the Empire?

Would the Scimitar be of Interest to the Empire?

Target Practice.....hmmm.....