Absolute proof that Sarli is an ignorant moron

[K. A. Pital]

All calculations have been presented to him. Now it's only up to him to conceed that Saxton was correct by placing BDZ energies on the K-T impact level - if he's honest enough to do it.

[Ritterin Sophia]

All calculations have been presented to him. Now it's only up to him to conceed that Saxton was correct by placing BDZ energies on the K-T impact level - if he's honest enough to do it.

He spun my calling Ra'ul's ignorance of nuclear capabilities as baiting, him banning me tells me he's not honest enough to do that.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Nope, I haven't seen anything past my last post, and even though the e-mail they sent me informing me of the ban says I can rejoin under a new name, I'm unable to do so. He appears to be taking this personally.

Any avenue for complaints against moderators? Unless they are commies like those over in the TF.N

[Ritterin Sophia]

Not that I can remember, anyone who still has an account or who can go to the Wizards boards could check for me, I would be greatly appreciative. I can't even see the Code of Conduct, which appears to need an additional rule, Don't tell the mods when they're wrong.

[Mange]

Nope, I haven't seen anything past my last post, and even though the e-mail they sent me informing me of the ban says I can rejoin under a new name, I'm unable to do so. He appears to be taking this personally.

Any avenue for complaints against moderators? Unless they are commies like those over in the TF.N

It's my understanding that Sarli himself is the one moderating that thread:

Guys, I have to remind you to keep your comments polite and constructive -- that means you shouldn't be making comments about another patron at all unless you're saying something very nice. It's one thing to disagree with an argument and demonstrate why you disagree, but it's another thing entirely to infer or imply bad things about the person who made that argument.

I don't like it when I have to interrupt a discussion to put on the moderator hat, so please try to follow the rules.

EDIT: New threats:

Okay, I'm going to address this one last time to try to put this discussion back on track despite repeated attempts to derail it with red herring arguments; anyone who brings up the subject is officially off-topic and will be in violation of the Code of Conduct.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Regardless, you may want to tell him that it's not nice to lie to Schatten in an E-Mail. This is my first and only banning.

Edit: Someone may want to educate him on what a Red Herring is and why their arguments are not Red Herring's,

[Imperial Overlord]

Not that I can remember, anyone who still has an account or who can go to the Wizards boards could check for me, I would be greatly appreciative. I can't even see the Code of Conduct, which appears to need an additional rule, Don't tell the mods when they're wrong.

I just checked their code of conduct and it's a joke. The rules are loose and the Mods can be harsher at their discretion.

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Bolding mine.

[Mange]

Regardless, you may want to tell him that it's not nice to lie to Schatten in an E-Mail. This is my first and only banning.

Edit: Someone may want to educate him on what a Red Herring is and why their arguments are not Red Herring's,

I've signed up, but I still haven't received the e-mail confirmation. Now he claims that:

We also do not need to destroy all life on a planet for a BDZ -- that is simply not a part of the definition.

Really?

EDIT:

Because what you just described is not what a Base Delta Zero is -- BDZ is not a "life-extinguishing and life-destroying action" and it never has been. The problem is that the concept of such an action (an extinction event or whatever you want to call it) was conflated with the concept of BDZ, which is not described as having that effect. (See the various citations I've made in previous posts, most notably the Imperial Sourcebook.)

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Regardless, you may want to tell him that it's not nice to lie to Schatten in an E-Mail. This is my first and only banning.

Edit: Someone may want to educate him on what a Red Herring is and why their arguments are not Red Herring's,

I've signed up, but I still haven't received the e-mail confirmation. Now he claims that:

We also do not need to destroy all life on a planet for a BDZ -- that is simply not a part of the definition.

Really?

It seems they actually enjoy debunking RPG material too huh? Wasn't there this bombardment of a planet that left only a few survivors who huddled in some.. deep underground bunker?

I mean, even Caamas had all life obliterated, and even Taris.

[Ritterin Sophia]

As I said, they get moronic on those boards, that's primarily the reason I came here to discuss Star Wars, StarWars.com is full of Travissties, and Wizards wouldn't know the difference between an Imp I and an Imp II.

[Darth Wong]

So does he believe that it took millions of Star Destroyers to trash Camaas, since he is now claiming that an ISD's BDZ operation can only take out major population centres?

PS. I love the way he keeps saying he's quite good at physics. Really! Why did he fuck up every single attempt to say anything related to physics, then? What's his degree in?

PPS. Is it really any surprise that his supporters are creationists? It's sad that worthless chimp-level idiots like this are allowed to operate computers.

[K. A. Pital]

Okay. I have now pointed out that it's irrelevant whether Dankayo, Camaas and other cases were proper BDZ or not.

The fact is, SW ships can depopulate and totally sterilize planets, and I don't really care how this is called.

It's irrelevant for the firepower estimates.

I also noted that it's irrelevant whether there were 1, dozen or a hundred ISDs at Caamas since the firepower order would be roughly the same (for a single ship it would just take more time, but it's still K-T level gigatonnage).

Not to mention the Leia quote and technical journal.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

So does he believe that it took millions of Star Destroyers to trash Camaas, since he is now claiming that an ISD's BDZ operation can only take out major population centres?

PS. I love the way he keeps saying he's quite good at physics. Really! Why did he fuck up every single attempt to say anything related to physics, then? What's his degree in?

PPS. Is it really any surprise that his supporters are creationists? It's sad that worthless chimp-level idiots like this are allowed to operate computers.

You know, Time magazine labeling the "Person of the Year" as "You" always struck me as a bad thing as giving the stupid masses a voice...

[Darth Wong]

Okay. I have now pointed out that it's irrelevant whether Dankayo, Camaas and other cases were proper BDZ or not.

The fact is, SW ships can depopulate and totally sterilize planets, and I don't really care how this is called.

It's irrelevant for the firepower estimates.

Besides, how can they admit that an ISD can pull off a Dankayo or a Camaas when their figures for a BDZ are so small that it would take millions of ships to close the gap?

[Jim Raynor]

As I said in the other current Sarli thread, all this crap about what BDZ was before Saxton wrote about it in AOTC ICS is just semantics, because the EU still shows gigaton-level firepower. Idiot proof your arguments from now on guys, and avoid saying that BDZ meant melting a planet's surface.

[Darth Wong]

Out of curiosity, is there any group of peer-reviewed paper of note on the flaws of "nuclear winter" one can find for reading online?

My reference source contains plenty of peer-reviewed papers that were written well after Sagan's book (which was aimed at the general public, BTW) and which use corrected figures and estimates. However, it's not on-line, and it's not cheap.

[K. A. Pital]

Besides, how can they admit that an ISD can pull off a Dankayo or a Camaas when their figures for a BDZ are so small that it would take millions of ships to close the gap?

Yeah. I always wondered why they use the "well it doesn't say it was a single ship" cop-out... which doesn't work. I mean, dividing a million megatons by a hundred or a thousand would still leave high firepower and a single ship would merely take more time to do it.

Either that, or SW "sneak attack" fleets are millions of ISD-level ships. That's preposterous, since some of the largest canon battles involved thousands/dozens of thousands of ships, but not millions.

And Leia is obviously an idiot for suggesting that this ISD in the comic will sterilize the planet. Doesn't she know you need millions of ships for that? A rebel war commander should know better

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Besides, how can they admit that an ISD can pull off a Dankayo or a Camaas when their figures for a BDZ are so small that it would take millions of ships to close the gap?

Yeah. I always wondered why they use the "well it doesn't say it was a single ship" cop-out... which doesn't work. I mean, dividing a million megatons by a hundred or a thousand would still leave high firepower and a single ship would merely take more time to do it.

Either that, or SW "sneak attack" fleets are millions of ISD-level ships. That's preposterous, since some of the largest canon battles involved thousands/dozens of thousands of ships, but not millions.

And Leia is obviously an idiot for suggesting that this ISD in the comic will sterilize the planet. Doesn't she know you need millions of ships for that? A rebel war commander should know better

Well, hey, if there are millions of those ships, how is it there are only reportedly 25000 ISDs in the sector fleets.

More importantly, wouldn't there be more Separatist warships than possible with hey, the BDZ of Humbarine? I mean, how is it possible to have 3 million clones while we are at it?

It's spectacular that these buggers shoot each other feet like playing one of those.. smack them games in the circus...

[Ritterin Sophia]

And Leia is obviously an idiot for suggesting that this ISD in the comic will sterilize the planet. Doesn't she know you need millions of ships for that? A rebel war commander should know better

Please tell me you slapped him with a quote like that from Leia?!?

[Darth Wong]

The problem here is that they're targeting an audience which is just as stupid and ignorant as they are. The fact that you have people using evolution as an example of failed science and not getting immediately laughed out of the forum is proof of that.

Seriously, the stuff Sarli said is so woefully ignorant that it should instantly torpedo any scientific credibility he might have. It indicates two things:

1) That he doesn't know what he's talking about
2) That he makes up numbers without bothering to research them, and then says them with confidence. This means he is a pathological liar.

Seriously, look at the way he states his claims in the originally quoted paragraph. Is there any hint of doubt there? Any equivocation? Does he even vaguely hint that he might not be absolutely certain of his figures? And yet they're so far off the mark that there's no way he bothered researching them first. He just makes shit up off the top of his head and then says it as if he looked it up; this is the worst kind of bullshitter. This is the kind of person who you can't trust to tell the truth about the weather outside.

I often make fun of people who think they can Google their way to a semblance of expertise, but Sarli didn't even bother doing that. Any half-assed Google search of the world's nuclear arsenals would reveal that they were never anywhere near 400,000 megatons. This really says a lot about Sarli's methods in general. One word: bluffing.

[Jim Raynor]

Well, hey, if there are millions of those ships, how is it there are only reportedly 25000 ISDs in the sector fleets.

More importantly, wouldn't there be more Separatist warships than possible with hey, the BDZ of Humbarine? I mean, how is it possible to have 3 million clones while we are at it?

It's spectacular that these buggers shoot each other feet like playing one of those.. smack them games in the circus...

It's obvious that morons like Trektards and SW minimalists don't think things through to their logical conclusions. You see this every time they question the number of ISDs needed to melt a planet's surface, or the number of hours it takes, as if those are supposed to be devastating arguments. So it might take 10 hours, and be the work of 3 ISDs. SO WHAT.

These idiots always dig themselves deeper with each retarded response. Will Sarli do the unthinkable now and say that the Empire sent millions of ships to slag one measly world, the way Traviss somehow turned one incorrect trivia number into a retarded alternate-universe tale where the Jedi were in cahoots with Palpatine?

[Darth Wong]

The problem with the SW EU right now is that you have liars like this Sarli clown whose only real skill is deceiving people and exercising vendettas. They do not see fit to retain any technical experts on staff the way Star Trek did (although Star Trek's tech experts were underutilized, to say the least), so there's really no one on staff who can spot lies like the ones Sarli is selling.

Sarli's quite good at selling deceptions and trashing Dr. Saxton, but that's it. He has demonstrated now that he's a liar, he's ignorant, he doesn't know jack shit about physics, but he knew how to trick Chee into believing his claims of expertise. After all, Chee is no science expert either, so when Sarli sells him lies and he doesn't have anyone on hand to check these lies out, he probably buys them based on the confidence in Sarli's presentation.

[K. A. Pital]

Leia either smokes too much crack, or a single ISD will sterilize a planet.

[Darth Wong]

Their latest gambit of "BDZ vs the other thing" is just a transparent ass-covering dodge. They were ready to believe that you only need a hundred megatons to destroy a planet's biosystem, because Sarli said so with confidence.

[Vympel]

BDZ doesn't mean killing all life, eh? So I guess Han is a dumbass:

Han swallowed, his mouth dry. Base Delta Zero was an order that called for the decimation of a world- all life, all vessels, all systems

- Hutt Gambit