Thoughts on religion and atheism.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-01-21 11:00am

Gustav32Vasa wrote:So she think she will go to hell too? Or does she think that Atheists go to heaven?

Fundies think that only Christians (and often only their particular brand of Christians) will go to Heaven. So-called "moderates" tend to believe that any basically good person will go to Heaven. A lot of Christians also believe that anybody who believes in any religion will go to Heaven, so atheists are fucked.

You really get an idea of how much Christianity is a vendetta religion when you listen to Christians talking about Hell, though.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2007-01-21 11:19am

Yup. When forced to present an explanation for this sadistic end, however, they quickly retort with a "all sinners are banished to Hell willingly". Oh really? I guess that guy who was fucked in the Lazerus tale sure as hell didn't end up there willingly, and he clearly wanted to warn his brothers.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-01-21 11:47am

I like the way they totally ignore the fact that Jesus himself says there will be a hierarchy in Heaven. If you listen to his speeches, he basically says that the social order will be turned upside down. The slaves will be masters, the meek will be the strong, etc.

At the end of the day, Jesus taught a religion of resentment and vindictiveness, in which people who were thought to be downtrodden in this life would get to spit on the "high and mighty" in the afterlife. That's why Christians have to constantly tell themselves that they're being persecuted, they're downtrodden, etc. If they don't, then by their own religious scriptures, they're going to be the shit underclass in Heaven.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2007-01-21 11:58am

Darth Wong wrote:I like the way they totally ignore the fact that Jesus himself says there will be a hierarchy in Heaven. If you listen to his speeches, he basically says that the social order will be turned upside down. The slaves will be masters, the meek will be the strong, etc.

I think Comrade Lenin came closer to bringing that about and in a far quicker time than Christians have been waiting for it.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2007-01-21 12:04pm

I think Comrade Lenin came closer to bringing that about and in a far quicker time than Christians have been waiting for it.

At least Lenin was honest and told people to rise up against their masters since no god would help them.

Not wait for a Sky Pixie to cast your enemies into a fiery pit.

That's actually a major difference between Christianity and any similar secular philosophy. Christianity is a religion of the downtrodden, which thrives on people being downtrodden. In fact, it needs people to be downtrodden to survive (remember that bit posted earlier, about Christianity thriving on fear?).

It always tells people they're going to get a Paradise in the afterlife and revenge on all others, but in their _real life_ they must remain downtrodden slaves. Remember Paul? "Slaves, don't do shit against your masters".

Of course Jehhsus will help you in the after life, Negro, when you die. And that fat plantation owner is going to roast...

This delivers the slaves vindictiveness' and keeps the slave-owners (and the Church) safe and above those slaves they preach of paradise

ray245 · Post by **ray245** » 2007-01-21 01:02pm

I mean come on...there's no need to so upset by the sentence. I mean, it's just a light-hearted conversation, furthermore, she did not say meet you in hell, instead it's after-life.

Who knows if there's an after-life or not, what are you saying you don't WISH to meet new people? We don't need to be SO anti-religion, that conversing about religion is against your belief.

Who knows what exactly would there be heaven or hell, maybe there's nothing at all, maybe there's something like recarination, I don't know. Come on, try suspending your belief for a while, like the fact that star wars MAY exist somewhere. Yah, I KNOW it's highly unlikely, but it's always fun to do so right? ( If you do not take that seriously.)

Although it's fun to think of this, listening about what other people say can still be fun if there' no harm to you.

Furthermore, she said ‘But’. If you don't meet her, well that's too bad. There' nothing wrong in meeting people you knew once again. Also, she never tried to drag on the topic just like you do, which shows that she sort of understand your stand. Furthermore, she did not ask you to convert, so take it as something good.

Must we bind friendship to pro-religion or anti-religion? Can people just talk of other similar interest? My Christians friends may talk about Christianity , Buddhist and Muslim issue, but we don't limit ourselves to that. Nor did they try and convert me.

If you respect their rights to their own religion and belief, let them do what they want and they will respect you because you will not break your friendship with them by challenging their belief.

:Sign: when will the hostility between hard-line christians and hard-line people of science ever end...

Post by **Surlethe** » 2007-01-21 02:05pm

ray245, are you above the age of thirteen? In addition to that, why are you putting words into other peoples' mouths?

Singular Intellect · Post by **Singular Intellect** » 2007-01-21 03:26pm

Darth Wong wrote:I like the way they totally ignore the fact that Jesus himself says there will be a hierarchy in Heaven. If you listen to his speeches, he basically says that the social order will be turned upside down. The slaves will be masters, the meek will be the strong, etc.

At the end of the day, Jesus taught a religion of resentment and vindictiveness, in which people who were thought to be downtrodden in this life would get to spit on the "high and mighty" in the afterlife. That's why Christians have to constantly tell themselves that they're being persecuted, they're downtrodden, etc. If they don't, then by their own religious scriptures, they're going to be the shit underclass in Heaven.

Miie, you really need to make a page on your site filled with these useful tidbits of information to use against fundies.

I suppose I could read the bible myself, but there's this laziness and disinterest factor...

Tolya · Post by **Tolya** » 2007-01-21 05:44pm

If you do not take that seriously

I did not write all this so you can have a laugh ray. Grow the hell up.

Tolya · Post by **Tolya** » 2007-01-21 05:49pm

Miie, you really need to make a page on your site filled with these useful tidbits of information to use against fundies. Very Happy

I suppose I could read the bible myself, but there's this laziness and disinterest factor...

Bible is actually a very interesting read, if you like horror stories. It sharpens your "spot the idiocy" skills. And read the hate mail on Mike's page, most of the stupid arguments fundies use are shown and debunked there.

ray245 · Post by **ray245** » 2007-01-21 09:58pm

Tolya wrote:
If you do not take that seriously
I did not write all this so you can have a laugh ray. Grow the hell up.

Sorry if you find that I offended you, Tolya. And I am not laughing at you. I can't tell you how you to look at things my way, it's your choice. If you don't like it, well...it's fine with me.

Dominus Atheos · Post by **Dominus Atheos** » 2007-01-22 12:27am

Bubble Boy wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:I like the way they totally ignore the fact that Jesus himself says there will be a hierarchy in Heaven. If you listen to his speeches, he basically says that the social order will be turned upside down. The slaves will be masters, the meek will be the strong, etc.

At the end of the day, Jesus taught a religion of resentment and vindictiveness, in which people who were thought to be downtrodden in this life would get to spit on the "high and mighty" in the afterlife. That's why Christians have to constantly tell themselves that they're being persecuted, they're downtrodden, etc. If they don't, then by their own religious scriptures, they're going to be the shit underclass in Heaven.
Miie, you really need to make a page on your site filled with these useful tidbits of information to use against fundies.

He has a whole site devoted to that. Don't tell me you haven't heard of it.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2007-01-22 06:31pm

Fuck, the Skeptics Annotated Bible is far more exhaustive than his site, if all you're looking for is Bible quotes.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2007-01-23 01:20am

The SAB however has arguments which are not good enough (like the Jesus ascending from two places in the same time, when in fact both are in the same location, just different precision - a mountain region and a particular little town, IIRC). Most of it is good though.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-01-23 01:42am

That's always what bugged me about the SAB. They take a lot of passages which really aren't that bad and try to make them seem worse than they are.

The Bible provides so much legitimate ammunition to its critics already; why push the envelope looking for more?